UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #37

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I don't think the reporting towards the end of trial really painted a coherent picture of the end of her time on the unit, in the press. It is my personal opinion that the media struggled with not having attended consistently.

I've pieced together from different reports some of the evidence of Letby's 'record-keeping' in her final week as a nurse on the NNU.


23rd June 2016 - date of baby O's murder. She was accused of pumping his stomach with air, crushing his liver, and later injecting air into his IV line:


Letby is accused of falsifying a medical note, saying Child O was on CPAP when he was not.
"The level of gas in the bowel is more than would have been expected in a normal baby," one doctor's note said.

"Why did you write CPAP in the gas chart?" Mr Johnson asks.
"I can't answer that now," Letby says.

NJ KC: "You were covering for air you’d given him weren’t you?"
Lucy Letby: "No"

Mr Johnson says Letby made a false reading for Child O at 1.20pm on the blood gas chart. "Even by the standards of misrecording information, this is right up there."
He says the note Child O was put on to CPAP from Optiflow was "a lie", and it had been spotted by Dr Sandie Bohin.
Mr Johnson says someone looking at the paperwork, retrospectively, might conclude this note could form an innocent explanation as to why Child O had died.

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A Datix form is shown to the court, recorded by Letby, which Mr Johnson says was inaccurate in the 'peripheral access lost' note. Dr Brearey said "it's not correct".
Mr Johnson says "it's a lie".
He says Letby is trying to invent evidence that peripheral access was lost. If it was, Mr Johnson say, then air could not be injected into the infant. He says if that note was accepted, it would support her case that this was not air embolus.
The form adds: 'SB [Dr Brearey] wishes amendment to incident form - Patient did not lose peripheral access, intraosseous access required for blood samples only.'
Letby says she does not believe her Datix report was untrue at the time.
NJ: "You were very worried that they were on to you, weren't you?"
LL: "No."

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26th June 2016 - Letby has meltdown after being asked not to come in the next day

Asked about the timing of the call, she said she was worried about receiving the call "so late in the day" [after 5pm] in advance of working a night shift.
She agrees she was worried it was something serious.
Letby had messaged a doctor about it: "I can't talk about this now."
She writes, 12 minutes later: "Sorry, that was rude.
Felt completely overwhelmed & panicked for a minute.
"We all worked tirelessly & did everything possible, i don't see how anyone can question that.
"Im having a meltdown++ but think that's what I need to do"



--

30th June 2016 - Letby's last ever shift:

A Datix form for the clinical incident is shown to the court - June 30, 2016, 3pm, with the port on one of the lumens noted to not have a bung on the end and was therefore 'open'. Registrar informed. Letby is the reporter of the incident.

Letby submitted a clinical incident report stating that on June 30, 2016 she noticed a bung had been left off the port of an intravenous line, which could accidentally let air in.

In his closing speech ... Nick Johnson KC said: “It is Lucy Letby, we say, getting her defence in first. She knew the net was closing. ... “Text messages showed she knew there was going to be an investigation.

“She put in a form that contained a lie and the purpose of putting this in is to create the impression that air embolism could have arisen on the unit as a result of poor practice. ... “It is a calculated attempt by a devious woman to deflect suspicion.”

Mr Johnson told jurors they could be sure the report timed at 3pm was false because Letby would have started her shift at 8am and any nurse doing their job properly would not take that long to spot the issue.

When giving evidence, Letby denied the prosecutor’s claim the report was effectively an “insurance policy to cover yourself for accidental air embolism”.


Letby texted a colleague -

"Yes because Thought it's a massive infection risk and risk of air embolism, don't know how long it had been like that."



(All links in media thread.)
 
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What do you think about the meeting with Alison Kelly that Tortoise has posted on above?
I appreciate Tortoise for all her digging and sharing of more information. I think it evidences Dr B sent more emails they don’t really tell us much, apart from that they were sent prior to the triplets (which was my original query)- we aren’t privy to the substance of what was said, or there could have been no substance- we don’t know at this point- he just named her as raising his suspicions. There is still to me a very wide gap between how myself and other colleagues at that time dealt with safeguarding concerns, especially if we felt we weren’t being listened to, and the actions and sense of urgency they were completing, and my role didn’t involve any deaths it was much more sedate. Even in the email chains there is no sense of importance from either side- it’s my work side coming out- but even the email titles- no URGENT, no SENSITIVE added to the titles. I now work in a role far distanced from my previous life, but both roles involved people regularly having grievance meetings etc, people tightening up their working practices to ensure they either had evidence to back up their complaint or avoid being complained about, being super careful about documenting and following procedures- that is the way every workplace and every human tends to work on a rolling programme of no one thinks about it, something happens, everyone becomes hyper-vigilant, and then it calms down and repeats. But for some reason that didn’t appear to happen- time and again I come back to the same point trying to see a different solution, but I keep coming back to they didn’t have any evidence (but then didn’t attempt to gather anymore by improving their own expectations and practices in the work environment ) or they weren’t sure enough of their gut feeling to fight for it to be listened to (but if you say something enough times after an event to yourself you will eventually believe that’s how it played out). There is another alternative, but it sounds like it’s out of a soap opera, and that is after being told by the police they couldn’t proceed with their initial email complaint, the second email with a lot more information and their interviews with the police also gave them a get out of jail free card for their own roles in not gathering evidence, through requesting post mortems or following due process with checking notes, or following up blood tests, and they were then verbally more forthcoming to the police. The last section, as far fetched as it may sound ,is high up on my belief that is what happened and the one which supports a guilty verdict for LL, but also allows people to question whether there should have been more evidence collated and subsequently provided for a secure conviction.
ETA get out of jail free card was perhaps a bad saying to use, I’m not implying they were guilty of anything legally- just they were reassured that the police were not interested in nit picking about how they conducted their day to day work.
 
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Tortoise you are a ⭐
 
  • #244
I don't think the reporting towards the end of trial really painted a coherent picture of the end of her time on the unit, in the press. It is my personal opinion that the media struggled with not having attended consistently.

I've pieced together from different reports some of the evidence of Letby's 'record-keeping' in her final week as a nurse on the NNU.


23rd June 2016 - date of baby O's murder. She was accused of pumping his stomach with air, crushing his liver, and later injecting air into his IV line:


Letby is accused of falsifying a medical note, saying Child O was on CPAP when he was not.
"The level of gas in the bowel is more than would have been expected in a normal baby," one doctor's note said.

"Why did you write CPAP in the gas chart?" Mr Johnson asks.
"I can't answer that now," Letby says.

NJ KC: "You were covering for air you’d given him weren’t you?"
Lucy Letby: "No"

Mr Johnson says Letby made a false reading for Child O at 1.20pm on the blood gas chart. "Even by the standards of misrecording information, this is right up there."
He says the note Child O was put on to CPAP from Optiflow was "a lie", and it had been spotted by Dr Sandie Bohin.
Mr Johnson says someone looking at the paperwork, retrospectively, might conclude this note could form an innocent explanation as to why Child O had died.

--

A Datix form is shown to the court, recorded by Letby, which Mr Johnson says was inaccurate in the 'peripheral access lost' note. Dr Brearey said "it's not correct".
Mr Johnson says "it's a lie".
He says Letby is trying to invent evidence that peripheral access was lost. If it was, Mr Johnson say, then air could not be injected into the infant. He says if that note was accepted, it would support her case that this was not air embolus.
The form adds: 'SB [Dr Brearey] wishes amendment to incident form - Patient did not lose peripheral access, intraosseous access required for blood samples only.'
Letby says she does not believe her Datix report was untrue at the time.
NJ: "You were very worried that they were on to you, weren't you?"
LL: "No."

--

26th June 2016 - Letby has meltdown after being asked not to come in the next day

Asked about the timing of the call, she said she was worried about receiving the call "so late in the day" [after 5pm] in advance of working a night shift.
She agrees she was worried it was something serious.
Letby had messaged a doctor about it: "I can't talk about this now."
She writes, 12 minutes later: "Sorry, that was rude.
Felt completely overwhelmed & panicked for a minute.
"We all worked tirelessly & did everything possible, i don't see how anyone can question that.
"Im having a meltdown++ but think that's what I need to do"



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30th June 2016 - Letby's last ever shift:

A Datix form for the clinical incident is shown to the court - June 30, 2016, 3pm, with the port on one of the lumens noted to not have a bung on the end and was therefore 'open'. Registrar informed. Letby is the reporter of the incident.

Letby submitted a clinical incident report stating that on June 30, 2016 she noticed a bung had been left off the port of an intravenous line, which could accidentally let air in.

In his closing speech ... Nick Johnson KC said: “It is Lucy Letby, we say, getting her defence in first. She knew the net was closing. ... “Text messages showed she knew there was going to be an investigation.

“She put in a form that contained a lie and the purpose of putting this in is to create the impression that air embolism could have arisen on the unit as a result of poor practice. ... “It is a calculated attempt by a devious woman to deflect suspicion.”

Mr Johnson told jurors they could be sure the report timed at 3pm was false because Letby would have started her shift at 8am and any nurse doing their job properly would not take that long to spot the issue.

When giving evidence, Letby denied the prosecutor’s claim the report was effectively an “insurance policy to cover yourself for accidental air embolism”.


Letby texted a colleague -

"Yes because Thought it's a massive infection risk and risk of air embolism, don't know how long it had been like that."



(All links in media thread.)
This is the report for baby O afterwards-

Level 2 Root Cause Analysis Investigation Report, relating to Child O, dated 23/06/2016​

they believe the baby was given antibiotics because it was on CPAP- but poorly documented notes mean they can only assume as there is no mention of CPAP- which contradicts the court transcript of LL being accused of falsifying that fact that the baby was on CPAP, and also suggests the baby was on CPAP contradicting her being told she falsified the note- which wasn’t even mentioned in the notes in 2016 when the child’s death was investigated.
ETA sorry that’s a tough read, I have tried to reword to little effect
It’s a 2 page document attached below
 
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I don't think the reporting towards the end of trial really painted a coherent picture of the end of her time on the unit, in the press. It is my personal opinion that the media struggled with not having attended consistently.

I've pieced together from different reports some of the evidence of Letby's 'record-keeping' in her final week as a nurse on the NNU.


23rd June 2016 - date of baby O's murder. She was accused of pumping his stomach with air, crushing his liver, and later injecting air into his IV line:


Letby is accused of falsifying a medical note, saying Child O was on CPAP when he was not.
"The level of gas in the bowel is more than would have been expected in a normal baby," one doctor's note said.

"Why did you write CPAP in the gas chart?" Mr Johnson asks.
"I can't answer that now," Letby says.

NJ KC: "You were covering for air you’d given him weren’t you?"
Lucy Letby: "No"

Mr Johnson says Letby made a false reading for Child O at 1.20pm on the blood gas chart. "Even by the standards of misrecording information, this is right up there."
He says the note Child O was put on to CPAP from Optiflow was "a lie", and it had been spotted by Dr Sandie Bohin.
Mr Johnson says someone looking at the paperwork, retrospectively, might conclude this note could form an innocent explanation as to why Child O had died.

--

A Datix form is shown to the court, recorded by Letby, which Mr Johnson says was inaccurate in the 'peripheral access lost' note. Dr Brearey said "it's not correct".
Mr Johnson says "it's a lie".
He says Letby is trying to invent evidence that peripheral access was lost. If it was, Mr Johnson say, then air could not be injected into the infant. He says if that note was accepted, it would support her case that this was not air embolus.
The form adds: 'SB [Dr Brearey] wishes amendment to incident form - Patient did not lose peripheral access, intraosseous access required for blood samples only.'
Letby says she does not believe her Datix report was untrue at the time.
NJ: "You were very worried that they were on to you, weren't you?"
LL: "No."

--

26th June 2016 - Letby has meltdown after being asked not to come in the next day

Asked about the timing of the call, she said she was worried about receiving the call "so late in the day" [after 5pm] in advance of working a night shift.
She agrees she was worried it was something serious.
Letby had messaged a doctor about it: "I can't talk about this now."
She writes, 12 minutes later: "Sorry, that was rude.
Felt completely overwhelmed & panicked for a minute.
"We all worked tirelessly & did everything possible, i don't see how anyone can question that.
"Im having a meltdown++ but think that's what I need to do"



--

30th June 2016 - Letby's last ever shift:

A Datix form for the clinical incident is shown to the court - June 30, 2016, 3pm, with the port on one of the lumens noted to not have a bung on the end and was therefore 'open'. Registrar informed. Letby is the reporter of the incident.

Letby submitted a clinical incident report stating that on June 30, 2016 she noticed a bung had been left off the port of an intravenous line, which could accidentally let air in.

In his closing speech ... Nick Johnson KC said: “It is Lucy Letby, we say, getting her defence in first. She knew the net was closing. ... “Text messages showed she knew there was going to be an investigation.

“She put in a form that contained a lie and the purpose of putting this in is to create the impression that air embolism could have arisen on the unit as a result of poor practice. ... “It is a calculated attempt by a devious woman to deflect suspicion.”

Mr Johnson told jurors they could be sure the report timed at 3pm was false because Letby would have started her shift at 8am and any nurse doing their job properly would not take that long to spot the issue.

When giving evidence, Letby denied the prosecutor’s claim the report was effectively an “insurance policy to cover yourself for accidental air embolism”.


Letby texted a colleague -

"Yes because Thought it's a massive infection risk and risk of air embolism, don't know how long it had been like that."



(All links in media thread.)
Peripheral access is via a vascular catheter- if it wasn’t lost why did they contact Arrowe Park Hospital and Dr Rackham who told them they needed to attempt an umbilical and venous catheter, but sadly it was going to be late and they never got the chance (or they tried and it didn’t help) again it’s 2 pages from Dr Vs statement
 
  • #246
Peripheral access is via a vascular catheter- if it wasn’t lost why did they contact Arrowe Park Hospital and Dr Rackham who told them they needed to attempt an umbilical and venous catheter, but sadly it was going to be late and they never got the chance (or they tried and it didn’t help) again it’s 2 pages from Dr Vs statement
A) circulation was poor so a gas could not be taken from existing access (it is difficult to aspirate peripheral catheters unless brand new, especially if peripherally shut down) so to retrieve an accurate blood sample (not to inject things) an intra osseous needle was placed
B) CENTRAL access was advised post resuscitation - common - because of the multiple agents often needed to support circulation/physiology e.g just as common examples, fluids, morphine and midazolam, access for antibiotics, so rather than stick five peripheral catheters in…and because sometimes infusions needed to support the heart like dopamine or adrenaline, are too risky for peripheral access in case they leak and cause tissue damage - thus central access (which umbilical or longline is) in not advised necessarily because no alternative routes, but due to number and toxicity of infusions and is almost always done post resuscitation imo - these kind of central catheters have multiple injection ports.

JMOO
 
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  • #247
I don't think the reporting towards the end of trial really painted a coherent picture of the end of her time on the unit, in the press. It is my personal opinion that the media struggled with not having attended consistently.

I've pieced together from different reports some of the evidence of Letby's 'record-keeping' in her final week as a nurse on the NNU.


23rd June 2016 - date of baby O's murder. She was accused of pumping his stomach with air, crushing his liver, and later injecting air into his IV line:


Letby is accused of falsifying a medical note, saying Child O was on CPAP when he was not.
"The level of gas in the bowel is more than would have been expected in a normal baby," one doctor's note said.

"Why did you write CPAP in the gas chart?" Mr Johnson asks.
"I can't answer that now," Letby says.

NJ KC: "You were covering for air you’d given him weren’t you?"
Lucy Letby: "No"

Mr Johnson says Letby made a false reading for Child O at 1.20pm on the blood gas chart. "Even by the standards of misrecording information, this is right up there."
He says the note Child O was put on to CPAP from Optiflow was "a lie", and it had been spotted by Dr Sandie Bohin.
Mr Johnson says someone looking at the paperwork, retrospectively, might conclude this note could form an innocent explanation as to why Child O had died.

--

A Datix form is shown to the court, recorded by Letby, which Mr Johnson says was inaccurate in the 'peripheral access lost' note. Dr Brearey said "it's not correct".
Mr Johnson says "it's a lie".
He says Letby is trying to invent evidence that peripheral access was lost. If it was, Mr Johnson say, then air could not be injected into the infant. He says if that note was accepted, it would support her case that this was not air embolus.
The form adds: 'SB [Dr Brearey] wishes amendment to incident form - Patient did not lose peripheral access, intraosseous access required for blood samples only.'
Letby says she does not believe her Datix report was untrue at the time.
NJ: "You were very worried that they were on to you, weren't you?"
LL: "No."

--

26th June 2016 - Letby has meltdown after being asked not to come in the next day

Asked about the timing of the call, she said she was worried about receiving the call "so late in the day" [after 5pm] in advance of working a night shift.
She agrees she was worried it was something serious.
Letby had messaged a doctor about it: "I can't talk about this now."
She writes, 12 minutes later: "Sorry, that was rude.
Felt completely overwhelmed & panicked for a minute.
"We all worked tirelessly & did everything possible, i don't see how anyone can question that.
"Im having a meltdown++ but think that's what I need to do"



--

30th June 2016 - Letby's last ever shift:

A Datix form for the clinical incident is shown to the court - June 30, 2016, 3pm, with the port on one of the lumens noted to not have a bung on the end and was therefore 'open'. Registrar informed. Letby is the reporter of the incident.

Letby submitted a clinical incident report stating that on June 30, 2016 she noticed a bung had been left off the port of an intravenous line, which could accidentally let air in.

In his closing speech ... Nick Johnson KC said: “It is Lucy Letby, we say, getting her defence in first. She knew the net was closing. ... “Text messages showed she knew there was going to be an investigation.

“She put in a form that contained a lie and the purpose of putting this in is to create the impression that air embolism could have arisen on the unit as a result of poor practice. ... “It is a calculated attempt by a devious woman to deflect suspicion.”

Mr Johnson told jurors they could be sure the report timed at 3pm was false because Letby would have started her shift at 8am and any nurse doing their job properly would not take that long to spot the issue.

When giving evidence, Letby denied the prosecutor’s claim the report was effectively an “insurance policy to cover yourself for accidental air embolism”.


Letby texted a colleague -

"Yes because Thought it's a massive infection risk and risk of air embolism, don't know how long it had been like that."



(All links in media thread.)
This one throws even more contradictions in- child O-

Mortality Review, regarding Child O, dated 05/07/2016​

This time questions over whether there was or wasn’t a CPAP intervention- but any antibiotics administered would have had no adverse effects.
Longline or UVC should have been inserted - which suggests access had been lost at some point
Criticism of both doctors notes and nurses note keeping, leading to inability to draw firm conclusions

 
  • #248
A) circulation was poor so a gas could not be taken from existing access (it is difficult to aspirate peripheral catheters unless brand new, especially if peripherally shut down) so to retrieve an accurate blood sample (not to inject things) an intra osseous needle was placed
B) CENTRAL access was advised post resuscitation - common - because of the multiple agents often needed to support circulation/physiology e.g just as common examples, fluids, morphine and midazolam, access for antibiotics, so rather than stick five peripheral catheters in…and because sometimes infusions needed to support the heart like dopamine or adrenaline, are too risky for peripheral access in case they leak and cause tissue damage

JMOO
So you believe it wasnt lost,we know they got blood from the first- why the need for a second and could that be misinterpreted as access was lost when it was requested?
 
  • #249
This is the report for baby O afterwards-

Level 2 Root Cause Analysis Investigation Report, relating to Child O, dated 23/06/2016​

they believe the baby was given antibiotics because it was on CPAP- but poorly documented notes mean they can only assume as there is no mention of CPAP- which contradicts the court transcript of LL being accused of falsifying that fact that the baby was on CPAP, and also suggests the baby was on CPAP contradicting her being told she falsified the note- which wasn’t even mentioned in the notes in 2016 when the child’s death was investigated.
ETA sorry that’s a tough read, I have tried to reword to little effect
It’s a 2 page document attached below
The triplets were born on Tue 21st June.

One of the doctors present at his birth -


A statement from a doctor is read out to the court.
The doctor said she was aware of the triplets beforehand.
She recalled that Child O was a good size for the gestational age, and for being a triplet. His heart rate was "absolutely fine". He was "crying and making good respiratory efforts". The oxygen levels were "just on the low side", so CPaP was supplied and the oxygen levels rose.
Child O was "stable and nice and warm", wearing a hat. Child O was shown to the father and the doctor congratulated him.


Texts between Letby and her favourite doctor Wed 22nd -


Letby asks: "What gestation are the trips? I don't mind being busy anyway..."
Doctor: "33+5 [weeks gestation]. 3x Optiflo..."


Night-shift Wed 22nd/Thu 23rd -

The trial is now resuming, with nurse Sophie Ellis giving evidence.
She confirms she was the designated nurse for Child O and Child P for the night shift on June 22-23, 2016.

The oxygen saturation readings were recorded as 'very good - what we would like', at 97% and above. Child O was recorded as not requiring additional oxygen, and was on Optiflow.

Child O's Optiflow was also weaned down at 6.30am
as the baby boy was "managing well".



Day-shift Thu 23rd -

Dr Katarzyna Cooke records for Child O: 'No nursing concerns observations normal'.
The plan was to continue weaning Optiflow, establishing feeds and prescribing vitamins for Child O.

 
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This one throws even more contradictions in- child O-

Mortality Review, regarding Child O, dated 05/07/2016​

This time questions over whether there was or wasn’t a CPAP intervention- but any antibiotics administered would have had no adverse effects.
Longline or UVC should have been inserted - which suggests access had been lost at some point
Criticism of both doctors notes and nurses note keeping, leading to inability to draw firm conclusions


It is not clear from this document but the CPAP was given at delivery. Later on - prior to the collapse- the baby was on Optiflow.

Longline/UVC insertion was recommended due to the TPN prescription (this is in your other link) because that is the preferred route for TPN. TPN has high osmolarity and is harsh on the veins. But a lower concentration is often started via peripheral cannula. This would not be ideal but it also doesn't cause cardiovascular collapse.

I don't view these concerns as directly answering the cause of collapse even if they were practice points for improvement. The reviewed agreed and graded this as level 1 - different care recommended but would not have made a difference.

Edit - and I case I have been unclear there is nothing in this document that supports Letby's claim in the Datix that peripheral access was lost.
 
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  • #251
Additionally just as an example in the above root cause analysis...There is no evidence that anyone was going to get in trouble for the practice change recommendations suggested. There was no need to divert attention from those concerns.
 
  • #252
if parents were making complaints someone would certanly have got into trouble in the end
 
  • #253
if parents were making complaints someone would certanly have got into trouble in the end
Sure, but not for things that would not have impacted the outcome.
 
  • #254
I was watching a video of an interview with David Davis who thinks there has been a miscarriage of justice in the LL case. What surprised me was him saying that he tried to get a transcript of the trial and was quoted as saying price of £100,000.00. He was able to buy parts of it for less but still at huge cost. He made the fair point that as a member of Parliament he should have received the full transcript without charge, it should be available to Parliament. There are some very strange aspects to this case and I think that there should be a retrial.
 
  • #255
I was watching a video of an interview with David Davis who thinks there has been a miscarriage of justice in the LL case. What surprised me was him saying that he tried to get a transcript of the trial and was quoted as saying price of £100,000.00. He was able to buy parts of it for less but still at huge cost. He made the fair point that as a member of Parliament he should have received the full transcript without charge, it should be available to Parliament. There are some very strange aspects to this case and I think that there should be a retrial.
How does the cost of the transcripts have any bearing on your conclusion that there should be a retrial? I'm not following your logic.

Also, why is it fair that MPs should get something for free that everyone else has to pay for? There is a cost to providing it which must be bourne by someone, after all.
 
  • #256
That figure is way out of whack.
I despair of that man.
 
  • #257
I was watching a video of an interview with David Davis who thinks there has been a miscarriage of justice in the LL case. What surprised me was him saying that he tried to get a transcript of the trial and was quoted as saying price of £100,000.00. He was able to buy parts of it for less but still at huge cost. He made the fair point that as a member of Parliament he should have received the full transcript without charge, it should be available to Parliament. There are some very strange aspects to this case and I think that there should be a retrial.

Why should there be a retrial?
 
  • #258
There are some very strange aspects to this case and I think that there should be a retrial.
What strange aspects are you referring to?
 
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Breaking news

This is big news! I am not as well informed about the British legal system as I would like to be. Those who are, can you share what your thoughts are on this development?
 
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