UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #37

[mrC]

cought by who eactly how could he have caught her if wasnt there and she had to call him

 

[WaneLyrical]

There is still nothing to say his entry to the room didn't happen exactly as he said, before he saw her at the incubator and upon LL seeing him calling him over to the baby desaturating.

Writing that Letby “called” is completely at odds with everything described about this event. Because his testimony was that he entered, saw the desaturation, asked what was going on and she replied the baby had just started deteriorating. And that no alarm was sounding. The inference being that she caused the desat and was deliberately avoiding anyone knowing about it. So either she called for help or she didn’t.

 

[Ruthbullock]

Whilst the email is evidence of contradictions- it would be useful to have the full context and purpose of the email chain. The email was dated May 4th 2017 according to the Daily Mail- the same rough time the police had become involved. Here’s a timeline to compare it too

Timeline of Lucy Letby’s attacks on babies and when alarm was raised

How events unfolded in neonatal unit where killer nurse worked at Countess of Chester hospital

www.theguardian.com

 

[Ruthbullock]

I’m guessing they were withheld from the public as they were being used in an ongoing police investigation. The downside of these documents being leaked is that it will have a negative impact on the future possibility of a fair investigation and destroy any chances of charging someone.

The end goal needs to be the whole truth being as understood as possible- for everything just to fall apart gives no justice for the families at all.

 

[Tortoise]

Writing that Letby “called” is completely at odds with everything described about this event. Because his testimony was that he entered, saw the desaturation, asked what was going on and she replied the baby had just started deteriorating. And that no alarm was sounding. The inference being that she caused the desat and was deliberately avoiding anyone knowing about it. So either she called for help or she didn’t.

She could have called him for help once he set foot inside the nursery, or it could even be a typo, and whoever typed it missed out the word 'not', ie Ravi was not called. There would be no point in writing something in an email about causes for suspicion which was not suspicious.

You basically find a person has been dishonest, without a hearing, yet refuse to accept LL was dishonest after two trials at which it was proven to the satisfaction of two juries that she was dishonest and a murderer.

Thankfully we still live in a society where people are innocent until proven guilty, in a court of law. Not in the media.

 

[mrC]

he was given a chance to coment and chose not to he could of easily denied it but he hasn't denied anything

 

[Tortoise]

I've just scanned the media thread, to see how frequently staff used the word "called" to each other, when already inside the same nursery.


Dr Harkness – baby A

"During the time he was looking at a third baby in the room, he was scrubbed up and sterilised for a procedure which "takes a lot of concentration."
He said it was shortly after that (about 1-2 minutes), he was urgently called to Child A.

He said he was "just about finished with [another baby]" when he was called to Child A at 8.26pm.

He said he was called "by nursing staff" over problems with Child A's breathing.

He said: "It was very surprising to be called back [to Child A] at this time [as he had been stable].


Nurse Bennion – baby A

She said, from reading her statement, she was "next to [Child B]" and "still doing" her checks and completing observations and safety checks at the time.

Ms Bennion is now being asked about Child A's collapse, and that Lucy Letby had called for assistance.

She said: "We have an emergency buzzer which could be pulled, but there were so many staff that a nurse can call for assistance.



Letby – baby A

Child A was then not breathing, and Dr Harkness was called over.



Nurse Mel Taylor – baby C

She confirms she was present in room 1 that night, in the same room as colleague Sophie Ellis.

A retrospective nursing note by Ms Taylor, written a couple of hours later, said: "Called to help as baby had brady desat, when arrived to baby, baby apnoiec..."



Nurse Caroline Oakley – baby D

Letby recalls looking after two babies in room 1 on the night of June 21-22. Caroline Oakley was the designated nurse for Child D and a baby in room 2.

At 3.45am, the nurse noted: "Monitor alarming, [Child D] desaturated again and [stopped breathing]. Called senior nurse Letby to help. Stimulation given."



Letby – baby I

At 1.06am, Child I began crying again.
"I do remember being in the nursery and she was crying," Letby says. She then called for her colleague, according to her previous defence statement.
Mr Johnson says this indicates Letby was first in the room, and alone with the infant.
But Letby says this could have meant she called her colleague over from the other side of the room.
Mr Johnson disputes this, saying Letby's defence statement clearly states the colleague "came into" the room.



links in media thread

 

[Tortoise]

he was given a chance to coment and chose not to he could of easily denied it but he hasn't denied anything

He doesn't dance to the tune of the media.

 

[mrC]

well then he cant really complain if people infer from that he lied in a court of law he had a chance to correct the record

 

[WaneLyrical]

Are we actually debating what the word “called” means?

 

[WaneLyrical]

He doesn't dance to the tune of the media.

He certainly danced to it as soon as the first trial verdicts came out

 

[Baileyboo]

he was given a chance to coment and chose not to he could of easily denied it but he hasn't denied anything

He is probably not allowed to comment because it's a live investigation.

As the rest of the email has not been released we don't know if he was asking for the statement to be added or quoted it because it was incorrect.

 

[mrC]

he was happy to coment before when it suited him and there was a live investigation going on then

 

[Tortoise]

He certainly danced to it as soon as the first trial verdicts came out

And why should he comment now, to people who have no respect for judicial process?

 

[Tortoise]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> He probably doesn't care much for the type of people pursuing witch-hunts against him, and appears to me to have a solid grip on not frustrating police investigations, and respect for judicial process to preserve justice for Letby's victims' families.

 

[mrC]

he was happys to give interveiws before and there was an ongoing investigation then

 

[May72031]

As I said before: it is revealing which people seem to want to spit venom at the doctors who tried to raise concerns about Letby, rather than the management who protected by Letby, or indeed, the convicted serial killer Letby herself.

 

[WaneLyrical]

As I said before: it is revealing which people seem to want to spit venom at the doctors who tried to raise concerns about Letby, rather than the management who protected by Letby, or indeed, the convicted serial killer Letby herself.

Why would someone who has doubt about the case and convictions spit venom at management? It’s not hard to understand. If there were murders then Letby and management = bad. If there were not murders, then Letby and management = not bad.

 

[May72031]

Why would someone who has doubt about the case and convictions spit venom at management? It’s not hard to understand. If there were murders then Letby and management = bad. If there were not murders, then Letby and management = not bad.

So, after a huge spike in deaths, the management would bear no responsibility? That's absurd.

This is the thing with Letbyists - they HAVE TO blame everybody else except the serial killer, and the management, or else their conspiracy theories make no sense whatsoever.

 

[Tortoise]

guilty verdicts + 2 failed appeals + no new evidence /a regurgitation of old evidence the juries and the appeal court rejected + biased and ill-informed individuals ignoring the trial records and totality of the evidence = Letby and management bad. Letby staying in prison.