UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #38

[WaneLyrical]

My opinions are not erroneous, neither are yours, they are opinions based on what I have read and researched as I am sure are yours, once again I do not make any personal comments about anybody, I can very easily hold a different opinion to somebody without disparaging that opinion,

This is not the forum to discuss your questions around whether the case against Letby was proven beyond reasonable doubt. Anyone who does question it is quickly driven away. I also followed the trial closely, I’m not persuaded by the prosecution case and everything that’s emerged since then has only heightened my concerns.

Feel free to DM me though, I’m always happy to talk about this case.

 

[joltz]

This is not the forum to discuss your questions around whether the case against Letby was proven beyond reasonable doubt. Anyone who does question it is quickly driven away. I also followed the trial closely, I’m not persuaded by the prosecution case and everything that’s emerged since then has only heightened my concerns.

Feel free to DM me though, I’m always happy to talk about this case.

It's an open forum where anyone is free to have an option. The probably is that every person that proclaims Letby is innocent has been unable to offer any coherent explanation for the deaths, outside of the usual stuff. When scrutinized none of it holds water whatsoever imo. And when these users views are put to the test, they often tend to throw a tantrum.


I will say, and this is just my theory, that I do believe there is an active group of Letby fans, who have attempted to infiltrate the most popular online forums for this particular case. They use multiple alt accounts and attempt to steer group thinking towards Letby being innocent. I do believe it's been attempted here in the past. I believe it's been attempted across Reddit X , DM comments section and similar.

I'm absolutely not accusing yourself of this btw, but I do understand why some people may get their backs up slightly when another user pops up repeating the same old tropes and phrases.

JMO

 

[May72031]

I never followed her case or trial very closely, so can't really know what evidence was presented against her

But you did also say: "I will be following along and I do expect all her convictions to be overturned". If you haven't followed the trial, and don't know the evidence presented against her, why did you make such a statement?

 

[Anxala]

Ah yes, that'll be it. She'll have a legion of millionaires behind her.

They they are - cleverly disguising their outstanding combined wealth by cunningly dressing as train-spotters and middle-aged "Student Gwant" (Google it) type characters. They'll have parked the Bugatti's a few streets away so as to not arouse suspicion.

Demonstrators Take To Streets in Support of Lucy Letby - Healthcare Newsdesk

Written by Harry Turnbull Demonstrators in Liverpool yesterday turned out to support Lucy Letby, the nurse convicted of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder seven others. The group calling…

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Yeah, they really weren't who I meant.

Anyway, leaving it there as don't want to derail the thread and/or get into controversial territory.

Did laugh loudly though at the 'Thingwall enquiry' at your link.

Perhaps that's the one we should all have been following rather than that silly fact-deficient Thirlwall one.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1972601956427289058

 

[Marantz4250b]

More random "words" from MM.

This will be another absolute nothing burger!

 

[Sweeper2000]

Yip it's a nothing burger. Totally clickbait headline. It's not new evidence at all it's just MM saying he handed in DR Lee and Co's opinions, that's literally it. Its actually a reference to the admitted and tried evidence from the first trial. Literally nothing new.

However there is this.

"A spokesman for the CPS said: 'We can confirm that we have received a full file of evidence from Cheshire Constabulary asking us to consider further allegations in relation to deaths and non-fatal collapses of babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital and Liverpool Women’s Hospital."

Lucy Letby's lawyer says he has evidence that will 'clear her name'

Letby's barrister Mark McDonald said he has 26 separate experts and 1,000 pages of fresh evidence to back up his claim.

www.dailymail.co.uk

So we know more med cases are admitted if not at this point confirmed as likely to proceed. Literally the only new and interesting part of it.

JUST A REMINDER FOR THE PROGRAMME TONIGHT ON CHANNEL 4 AT 9 PM. "MURDER OR MISTAKE". I'll be watching.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I'll be watching on hour after on catchup as I don't have a TV licence and have no intention of getting one!

 

[joe jones]

The DM is a superb publication as far as criminal trial reporting goes. Their coverage of the Letby trial was by far the best, most in depth and even handed of all the media outlets. It's "trendy" to bash them due to them being perceived as right wing but people tar all their reporting with the same brush which is not right.

Media outlets don't get to express a "view" one way or another as regards ongoing criminal trials in this country. That's a potential contempt of court. The DM's reporting was factual and very thorough, far much so than other outlets.

I would never call that rag superb, and every media outlet in UK spins the story for their own gain, and they are all the same, they write trashy, click bait about everything, the DM is IMO the worst,

 

[joe jones]

Could you explain why you think she us innocent on any one case? Say for example baby e. Your reasons and supporting info.

I will get back to you and answer this when I have more time, but I will start at Baby A, I will forewarn you that I have a lot of criticism of Dewi Evans and his changing opinions

 

[joe jones]

It's an open forum where anyone is free to have an option. The probably is that every person that proclaims Letby is innocent has been unable to offer any coherent explanation for the deaths, outside of the usual stuff. When scrutinized none of it holds water whatsoever imo. And when these users views are put to the test, they often tend to throw a tantrum.


I will say, and this is just my theory, that I do believe there is an active group of Letby fans, who have attempted to infiltrate the most popular online forums for this particular case. They use multiple alt accounts and attempt to steer group thinking towards Letby being innocent. I do believe it's been attempted here in the past. I believe it's been attempted across Reddit X , DM comments section and similar.

I'm absolutely not accusing yourself of this btw, but I do understand why some people may get their backs up slightly when another user pops up repeating the same old tropes and phrases.

JMO

I haven't repeated any old tropes, just my opinion, and the people who think her guilty are just as quick to denigrate anybody who does not agree that she is guilty, and may hold different views,
I also find it strange that it is demanded that if one doesn't think she is guilty we must provide explanations for why the babies died, I will get round to posting some of my interpretation of evidence, and what I think about the trial, and evidence, but it's not my job to convince anybody of guilt or innocence, I have concluded from my research that I don't think she did it, but me holding that opinion should not affect anybody who has decided she did it, and her conviction is sound,

 

[joe jones]

This is not the forum to discuss your questions around whether the case against Letby was proven beyond reasonable doubt. Anyone who does question it is quickly driven away. I also followed the trial closely, I’m not persuaded by the prosecution case and everything that’s emerged since then has only heightened my concerns.

Feel free to DM me though, I’m always happy to talk about this case.

I am made of strong stuff, I will continue to post about my opinion that LL is innocent, and hope she gets her convictions overturned,

 

[Sweeper2000]

I will get back to you and answer this when I have more time, but I will start at Baby A, I will forewarn you that I have a lot of criticism of Dewi Evans and his changing opinions

We will have the cricket bats waiting

This actually did get me thinking though on a question I don't remember ever being asked. On the occasions that Dr Evans did update his original diagnosis when presented with information not originally available to him, did teh change ever conflict with other expert testimony? For example DR marnerides or Dr Arthur? I don't think it did did it? As they were a relatively rare presence amongst the charges.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I would never call that rag superb, and every media outlet in UK spins the story for their own gain, and they are all the same, they write trashy, click bait about everything, the DM is IMO the worst,

I said that their criminal trial reporting was superb, not that everything they wrote was.

Anyone who followed their reporting I think would agree. I've just seen today that the podcast was up for an award.

Papers can't put "spin" on reports of criminal trials. Anything other than verbatim reporting of the events in court will likely get them held in contempt. Can you point to a report of the trial in which they offered an opinion or put any sort of "spin" on the events in the court?

Their court reporting is very good, imo, specifically because they are restricted in what they can say and what opinions they can offer.

 

[katydid23]

Ah yes, that'll be it. She'll have a legion of millionaires behind her.

They they are - cleverly disguising their outstanding combined wealth by cunningly dressing as train-spotters and middle-aged "Student Gwant" (Google it) type characters. They'll have parked the Bugatti's a few streets away so as to not arouse suspicion.

Demonstrators Take To Streets in Support of Lucy Letby - Healthcare Newsdesk

Written by Harry Turnbull Demonstrators in Liverpool yesterday turned out to support Lucy Letby, the nurse convicted of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder seven others. The group calling…

healthcare-newsdesk.co.uk

I totally understand the points these nurses are trying to make, about feeling the need to voice concerns about patient safety and the deficits in current healthcare conditions.

But why hitch their wagon to Nurse Letby? Why come together with her in order to make their own valid points about critical care issues? It seems shortsighted, imo.

 

[Parker Knoll]

Letsby is NO nurse Katy.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Yeh interesting watch that episode. Led me on a bit of a chase. Two new bits to add.

The first is on Dr Lee and Co. Remember he said he had only looked at the medical notes and come to a conclusion on her guilt/innocence on that alone. No other evidence presented at trial he knows about. To me that was a red flag. However in that documentary a journalist came across the email he sent out when recruiting for the panel. In it he uses the words "we might be her last hope". Another red flag imo. Responsibility should eliminate bias imo. Imagine if all of that noise which will have been heard by the parents was actually just the result of a bull headed approach to what was a reasonable request by MM?

The two parts of this are separated. The above is me reporting on the documentary shown on channel 4 tonight. The second bit is from that article but not featured in the documentary.

The second is that there is a published number on the amount of parents who have had a knock on their door in relation to their child's care under LL.

"I understand there are up to 100 sets of parents across Cheshire and North Wales in the same boat as them.
Parents whose children were born at the Countess, who also received that dreaded knock on the door from officers telling them experts had looked at their baby’s medical notes and decided something wasn’t quite right – only to be told later that there wasn’t quite enough evidence to prosecute Letby in connection with their son or daughter’s care."

https://archive.ph/TQxqL

Hope that link is allowed.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I've just watched part 1 of the documentary; there is absolutely not one single thing in it that constitutes "new" evidence, as far as I could tell.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I've just watched part 1 of the documentary; there is absolutely not one single thing in it that constitutes "new" evidence, as far as I could tell.

Not yet anyway. Those parents talking about the box may indeed be part of a new trial.

 

[Parker Knoll]

It was an interesting watch - quite pleasantly surprised how un hysterical it was, however absolutely nothing new here as it’s all been debunked at trial or by Letby herself on the stand.
All McDonald has is is his bluster and love of the media hoping that’s going to sway 3 high court judges if it ever managed to scrape over the line and go back to the COA.
Yep …. That’s DEFINITELY going to swing it Mark.
Thank god for Liz Hull putting the outright lies to bed that’s all I can say.