UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #38

[Jules2021]

@Marantz4250b and @marynnu yes I do wonder if she wasn't so much almost "caught in the act" but that she planned it knowing the mother would be coming down soon.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Yep, thrill seeking behavior in conjunction with a Messiah complex is never a good combination.

 

[belinda15]

If some of the doctors had been suspecting LL of harming babies for some time, I wonder why they didn't arrange for fellow members of staff to watch her particularly carefully. I thought they would have done that before escalating their concerns to the managers, yet we have never heard they did that.

 

[iamshadow21]

If some of the doctors had been suspecting LL of harming babies for some time, I wonder why they didn't arrange for fellow members of staff to watch her particularly carefully. I thought they would have done that before escalating their concerns to the managers, yet we have never heard they did that.

It's not the job of the doctors to do this. They followed protocol, only to be stonewalled by management.

MOO

 

[Sweeper2000]

If some of the doctors had been suspecting LL of harming babies for some time, I wonder why they didn't arrange for fellow members of staff to watch her particularly carefully. I thought they would have done that before escalating their concerns to the managers, yet we have never heard they did that.

Yeh that's against the rules. Discrimination etc. Would have jeopardised their own positions. If anything the management would have had that authority as well and they were mostly anti docs and pro letby. If management had of been more scrutinising they could have placed letby within a kind of practice oversight by someone to make sure she's up to scratch but she was fully qualified. Honestly the docs are responsible for medical aspects the management are responsible for staff oversight so it is 100% on them.

 

[marynnu]

If some of the doctors had been suspecting LL of harming babies for some time, I wonder why they didn't arrange for fellow members of staff to watch her particularly carefully. I thought they would have done that before escalating their concerns to the managers, yet we have never heard they did that.

That would be impossible. Doctors can't ask nursing staff to do such a thing. It woukd be completely unethical, and what's more they would have immediately reported such a suggestion to the ward manager. There aren't enough nurses to keep an eye on each other in any case!

 

[Marantz4250b]

If some of the doctors had been suspecting LL of harming babies for some time, I wonder why they didn't arrange for fellow members of staff to watch her particularly carefully. I thought they would have done that before escalating their concerns to the managers, yet we have never heard they did that.

But they were watching her themselves, essentially. They can't just assign someone to watch her for all the reasons already mentioned. Also, remember, that she was friends with the majority of the nursing staff so who do you chose to watch her who isn't going to tell her what's going on?

It's a total non-starter.

 

[joltz]

But they were watching her themselves, essentially. They can't just assign someone to watch her for all the reasons already mentioned. Also, remember, that she was friends with the majority of the nursing staff so who do you chose to watch her who isn't going to tell her what's going on?

It's a total non-starter.

Just ridiculous really, it's ethically wrong, you're not allowed to do this. People forget how busy everyone was. They weren't sat together drink cuppas, acting as amateur sleuths. They were working busy 12 hour shifts, they were working opposite shifts to each other. People were working nights and days. It's only through years of investigate work that events were pieced together. The focus of the staff was on the shift they were working at the time.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Wasn't it noted it was understaffed? Maybe sometimes more sometimes less. When It was it would mean that the staff who are present would be stretched by themselves anyways. Maybe this contributed to the longevity of her being able to act by itself.

 

[New Penny]

It's not the job of the doctors to do this. They followed protocol, only to be stonewalled by management.

MOO

Not only stonewalled but forced to apologize IIRC? To LL and her parents?

MOO

 

[windrower]

Now I see. The Wiki is probably redacted by different people, so the previous paragraph mentions her training in Liverpool, and the next one just proceeds describing the episode with the morphine. Not saying where it happened. The articles linked state that the baby received 10 times the intended dose, btw, but no untoward effects happened.

So if it is considered a genuine mistake, it should be removed from Wikipedia. If it stays, there should be more indication that it is malicious. Likewise, the antibiotic that a baby received when it was not prescribed. Seems to be a mistake, made in havoc, but then it should be removed from wiki. If it is considered to be ill-intent, then there has to be better proof.

Bbm

Ah, Wikipedia. The vanguard of knowledge.

As if.

IMO

 

[Sweeper2000]

Yip wiki conspiri. It's a new form of pasta.

 

[marynnu]

Wasn't it noted it was understaffed? Maybe sometimes more sometimes less. When It was it would mean that the staff who are present would be stretched by themselves anyways. Maybe this contributed to the longevity of her being able to act by itself.

I don't think it was particularly understaffed. It's more the nature of the work that enabled her.

 

[Parker Knoll]

She said herself on the stand that there wasn’t any staffing issues iirc ?
It would seem that Op Hummingbird recruiting again for 2027.
Not looking great for the worlds unluckiest nurse.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I don't think it was particularly understaffed. It's more the nature of the work that enabled her.

Tbh I was just thinking if it was then the little available could not be diverted to monitor a qualified nurse. We never heard it was drastically understaffed either. Totally with u though, would I be correct in thinking that generally it's a soft job mostly? So routine feeds, monitoring, maybe changing nappies just routine cares ? If it is then yeh she's git full access and no need for oversight.

 

[Sweeper2000]

She said herself on the stand that there wasn’t any staffing issues iirc ?
It would seem that Op Hummingbird recruiting again for 2027.
Not looking great for the worlds unluckiest nurse.

"The successful officer will be seconded into the operation based at our new secure premises within Chester City Centre. The alignment to Operation Hummingbird is anticipated to be for a period of up to THREE YEARS, dependent on the investigatory requirements. Once the Op concludes, officers will then be reposted to vacancies within force."

https://www.simplyhired.co.uk/job/mwXVkJGOUisPpbxv-3yfQmc4bNVGXAg-ivG8AmHPyBfgkjqi8GiE-A?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Thought the mods should be OK with this. Apologies if not.

Is it really going to be another two or so years?