GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #38

[CS2C]

As a woman, if someone knocks my door unexpectedly at 6am, I do not open it in my nightie. I chuck on whatever is the closest thing to me, to protect my modesty, so I can open the door. I do not describe that as “getting dressed”. I didn’t put fresh knickers on, I simply “covered up” to answer the door.

And if someone asked me to describe that arrest, I’d make the point that they didn’t even let me get changed.

Well what do you expect her to wear? she's being arrested, not taken out for dinner.

 

[WaneLyrical]

Well what do you expect her to wear? she's being arrested, not taken out for dinner.

Arrested for imaginary crimes.

 

[Parker Knoll]

They do give you time to ” get dressed “ though.
They won’t hang around whilst you do a full face of makeup up but they won’t frogmarch you out half naked.
She chose to go out in those clothes.

 

[WaneLyrical]

They do give you time to ” get dressed “ though.
They won’t hang around whilst you do a full face of makeup up but they won’t frogmarch you out half naked.
She chose to go out in those clothes.

Well hopefully we’ll see a bit more on 4th Feb since they clearly have the footage, so we won’t have to speculate. The police were only in the house for 10 minutes or so

 

[Sweeper2000]

If she was that calculating she would have gone commando

I'll get my coat

 

[Marantz4250b]

0:12 into the trailer when they arrest her - she's clearly got the dressing gown on in bed.

 

[WaneLyrical]

If she was that calculating she would have gone commando

I'll get my coat

Easy now..

Shredder? I hardly know ‘er!

 

[Sweeper2000]

Oh of course, yes this was in relation to the first arrest, the pyjama comment.

She's referring to the last arrest though surely? I won't lie I'm struggling to make heads or tails from it. Always chopping and changing, is it that arrest or this one etc

 

[CocktailQueen]

0:12 into the trailer when they arrest her - she's clearly got the dressing gown on in bed.

This is confusing though, as it looks like they knock on the door? So did she answer the door and then go back to bed. Or did someone else answer the door and she was already in bed with her dressing gown on, or she heard them coming so quickly put the dressing gown on? It is weird that it was summer and she needed a dressing gown on in bed though, if that is the case.

 

[katydid23]

Same. I'm very curious to see more of her nature and behavior but I see from the trailer that it features MM and her "team" who are all fairly unhinged, imo.

The thing is, her mental health disorder, IMO, is one in which she wears a 'mask' and does not reveal her true self to others. So if you are hoping to see 'more of her nature' it will be a disappointment, imo. She puts on an act for everyone. That's how she gets away with things, and she also enjoys the game of it all. Playing nice Nurse Lucy, the nurse who jumps right in to bathe the deceased babies and dress them for their 'memory book' pictures, with cute stuffed animals and footprints. The grieving parents would get upset that she looked so upbeat and animated while talking about the baby's last baths.

 

[katydid23]

And the “going commando”, and the “boyfriend”..

those things had no bearing on her guilt or innocence, imo

A disingenuous prosecution clutching at straws, resorting to tactics because the actual evidence is so flimsy.

4,000 other babies they’ve looked at. 4,000 babies who Letby looked after. And not a single one meeting the evidence bar.

That's not true that none met the evidence bar. Evidently they did do so, as she was convicted.

Meanwhile a whole new bunch of families have had their lives destroyed again by the suggestion their babies were murdered.

These recent cases were primarily breathing tubes that were dislodged, IIUC. I don't think there was any way to prove something like that.

We are expected to believe Letby picked up an unexpected shift one day, waltzed into work, and immediately killed a baby she’d never ever met.

What, she'd have to 'meet' a preemie newborn first? Why? Is the baby going to do or say something to anger her?

Meeting the babies had nothing to do with her vile actions.

Then tried to kill their sibling. And what’s the evidence?

It was not just about a rash. If you actually followed the cases the other pieces of evidence would be apparent. It was about a totality of things.

A rash. A rash that was still there the following day on Baby B, photographed by the mother. It’s the air embolism paradox. Any rash, whether it’s red, brown, pink, blue, pale, purple. Whether it moves, whether it doesn’t move, whether it disappears immediately, or disappears a day later, if Letby was there, that’s the proof she killed them.

That makes no sense, trying to mock things that way. Maybe it's a way to cope? But it's not realistic explanation for what was presented during the trial. imo

 

[katydid23]

As a woman, if someone knocks my door unexpectedly at 6am, I do not open it in my nightie. I chuck on whatever is the closest thing to me, to protect my modesty, so I can open the door. I do not describe that as “getting dressed”. I didn’t put fresh knickers on, I simply “covered up” to answer the door.

And if someone asked me to describe that arrest, I’d make the point that they didn’t even let me get changed.

If they are coming to arrest someone charged with mass murder, why would they allow them time to get changed? They don't have that 'luxury' anymore at that time to go pick out an outfit and get ready for their interrogation.

Just throw on a track suit and let's go. They had no idea if she was going to do something erratic or desperate if they allowed her to go into her room by herself. Maybe she'd try to harm herself, or someone else?

Arresting someone for mass murder is not to be taken lightly.

 

[katydid23]

Arrested for imaginary crimes.

Those babies did not die imaginary deaths.

 

[joltz]

Oh look, turns out she was wearing her pyjamas after all. Obviously. What a surprise.

No skeletons are coming out the closet. This is the beginning of the end now. This documentary will show exactly how an innocent person would act.

Agree on the pjs, still a baby murderer.

 

[Marantz4250b]

This is confusing though, as it looks like they knock on the door? So did she answer the door and then go back to bed. Or did someone else answer the door and she was already in bed with her dressing gown on, or she heard them coming so quickly put the dressing gown on? It is weird that it was summer and she needed a dressing gown on in bed though, if that is the case.

It was her parents house. One of them would have answered.

There appear to be two scenes of her being arrested in bed, one where she's got the dressing gown on and another when she's sitting on the bed in pink pyjamas.

Only one of the arrests at her parents house was summer, the June 2019 one. The second was November 10th 2020. The weather then was 4c - 5c . Her parents house is an older one and may not have had central heating or only partially so, or maybe broken or just not very good. She was definitely in bed in the dressing gown, though.

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I think the part of the trailer where the police were knocking on the door was the June arrest as it was light with blue skies and not much cloud. These things take place early - like 6-7am and it wouldn't be light at that time in November.

 

[joltz]

It is a big deal. This was one of the big gotchas used to prove she was a liar. The media and the podcast were all over it. Except she wasn’t lying, was she.

Nick Johnson flipped back and forth in that line of questioning about which arrest he was talking about, until finally it looked like she had lied.

Then they made sure to only show a snippet of the 2018 arrest, so everyone could see how brazen a liar she was.

Because any other footage would have clearly shown her in pyjamas.

This investigation was an exercise in confirmation bias from the get go.

This will be referred back to the court of appeal. The managers will not be charged. Thirlwall’s report will never be released.

And one thing I’m most sure of, these babies will never get justice.

And yet since the CPS verdict, there are multiple people on social media reporting that they believed Letby had harmed their babies and one spoke up at the time. One lady saying she wrote Letbys name on a paper towel and found it years later when she was arrested. There was others during the trial also. A lady saying Letby was performing dozens of heel pricks on her baby and she felt she was getting some sort of thrill from it. She knew absolutely nothing of Letby at the time. There's other accounts out there also.

All wrong though, eh. Just an innocent super nurse locked up through confirmation bias and that old "scapegoat" chestnut.

Pull the other one, she's guilty and shes not going anywhere.

Jmo

 

[CatsnChickens]

If they are coming to arrest someone charged with mass murder, why would they allow them time to get changed? They don't have that 'luxury' anymore at that time to go pick out an outfit and get ready for their interrogation.

Just throw on a track suit and let's go. They had no idea if she was going to do something erratic or desperate if they allowed her to go into her room by herself. Maybe she'd try to harm herself, or someone else?

Arresting someone for mass murder is not to be taken lightly.

They don't leave you to get dressed alone. I wasn't being arrested but I was present when police showed up at 7am to do a search at a property. I was lucky there was a female officer present and was not left alone for anything!!!

 

[WaneLyrical]

And yet since the CPS verdict, there are multiple people on social media reporting that they believed Letby had harmed their babies and one spoke up at the time. One lady saying she wrote Letbys name on a paper towel and found it years later when she was arrested. There was others during the trial also. A lady saying Letby was performing dozens of heel pricks on her baby and she felt she was getting some sort of thrill from it. She knew absolutely nothing of Letby at the time. There's other accounts out there also.

All wrong though, eh. Just an innocent super nurse locked up through confirmation bias and that old "scapegoat" chestnut.

Pull the other one, she's guilty and shes not going anywhere.

Jmo

We will see what happens at the court of appeal.

I don’t think these babies were murdered, the evidence at the trial didn’t persuade me that any crimes had taken place. I wrote that multiple times as the evidence was being heard, and I was unsurprised when Myers submitted a no case to answer, or when Letby took the stand. I tried very hard at the end to accept that the jury must’ve been right, that there was more to come out that would change my mind. It didn’t happen, I think the jury were misled.

You are persuaded, it’s just a difference of opinion.

There were many parents at the time who came out in support of Letby and said she’d been an excellent nurse to their babies. There will always be something to point to which supports both of our views. That’s why this case is so divisive imo.

 

[joltz]

We will see what happens at the court of appeal.

I don’t think these babies were murdered, the evidence at the trial didn’t persuade me that any crimes had taken place. I wrote that multiple times as the evidence was being heard, and I was unsurprised when Myers submitted a no case to answer, or when Letby took the stand. I tried very hard at the end to accept that the jury must’ve been right, that there was more to come out that would change my mind. It didn’t happen, I think the jury were misled.

You are persuaded, it’s just a difference of opinion.

There were many parents at the time who came out in support of Letby and said she’d been an excellent nurse to their babies. There will always be something to point to which supports both of our views. That’s why this case is so divisive imo.

I'm going to have to dial back on the pjs comment. I've just looked back over the cross examination. Lucy Letby stated that she was wearing PJ's during her first arrest. She was lying and that was what the back and forth was about. She admitted she was lying because she was.
They were specifically talking about her first arrest. She then tries to illicit sympathy by tying multiple arrests together. She specifically said it was the first arrest. She never said she was mistaken, she said she didn't know why she lied.

This is now being ridiculously trotted out as another reason to claim innocence. She was still lying.

 

[joltz]

We will see what happens at the court of appeal.

I don’t think these babies were murdered, the evidence at the trial didn’t persuade me that any crimes had taken place. I wrote that multiple times as the evidence was being heard, and I was unsurprised when Myers submitted a no case to answer, or when Letby took the stand. I tried very hard at the end to accept that the jury must’ve been right, that there was more to come out that would change my mind. It didn’t happen, I think the jury were misled.

You are persuaded, it’s just a difference of opinion.

There were many parents at the time who came out in support of Letby and said she’d been an excellent nurse to their babies. There will always be something to point to which supports both of our views. That’s why this case is so divisive imo.

Parents coming forward in support of Letby means absolutely nothing. She was not accused of harming every baby she came into contact with. Your comment does not detract from the accusations of multiple other parents whatsoever. These are parents who didn't know anything about Letby at the time and felt she had harmed their babies. That's alarming