GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #38

[joltz]

I don't understand this. She was taking home handover sheets well before any hint of a grievance process or issues on the ward.

She did it inadvertently without thinking apparently and yet, she's proven to have purposely taken her first one home.

 

[Parker Knoll]

Good to see this addressed and McDonald called out.

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We’re aware that the new Netflix documentary, ‘The Investigation of Lucy Letby’, includes an incorrect reference to occupational therapy.

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[WaneLyrical]

All evidence in though, without sectioning it you really not think its strange? Ie no shredder, multiple house moves and presumably she disposed of some stuff before those moves, very deliberately ordering them? Proactively storing under bed etc

I’m just saying she had handover notes spanning her entire time as a nurse, over 250 of them, and 3 are from dates she was found guilty of crimes, from the entire period she was out of control and allegedly attacking patients left, right and centre.

It’s evidence she hoarded handover sheets. I’m not sure how it supports that she’s a serial killer of babies. If that’s evidence, why wasn’t the royal college report allowed to be evidence, or the grievance procedure allowed to be evidence?

 

[Sweeper2000]

I’m just saying she had handover notes spanning her entire time as a nurse, over 250 of them, and 3 are from dates she was found guilty of crimes, from the entire period she was out of control and allegedly attacking patients left, right and centre.

It’s evidence she hoarded handover sheets. I’m not sure how it supports that she’s a serial killer of babies. If that’s evidence, why wasn’t the royal college report allowed to be evidence, or the grievance procedure allowed to be evidence?

On the three from dates on which she did something, why is the date of more importance than the name? Which then tails into the others from babies in the charges.

To me it suggested along with the fb searches inappropriate relationships or qays of looking at both the parents and babies. You couldn't argue there wasnt attachment to the hadnovers and we need to know why? If she doesn't say your left guessing. Even them being found under her bed is weird, why not in the same room as the shredder like any other bit if scrap paper? Why is she sleeping over them? Why shred her bank notes and not the handovers? The fb searches and handovers were meant to prove an unhealthy relationship between her and the babies and or parents. They achieved that.

 

[JosieJo]

I’m just saying she had handover notes spanning her entire time as a nurse, over 250 of them, and 3 are from dates she was found guilty of crimes, from the entire period she was out of control and allegedly attacking patients left, right and centre.

It’s evidence she hoarded handover sheets. I’m not sure how it supports that she’s a serial killer of babies. If that’s evidence, why wasn’t the royal college report allowed to be evidence, or the grievance procedure allowed to be evidence?

When you say the 250 were stretched over her career...obviously the first one as a student was a single keepsake ..but the rest when did the main collection begin ?

 

[Quiet Time]

Here's the thing though. If a human being, was mentally and emotionally able to to torture and assault numerous innocent newborn babies, secretly and repeatedly, all while pretending everything was normal, life was good----what kind of human are they?

I think that means they have no compassion, no feelings, no conscience, no humanity, no shame, no love, no shred of decency---they would have to be total sociopaths, psychopaths, totally heartless and cruel.

So in my mind, she does fit the mood of a female serial killer. Truly one of the worst humans of all time, imo.

Newborn babies are the most vulnerable, most innocent beings in the human kingdom. Only the biggest most vile COWARDS would kill random newborns for a thrill.

She is one twisted chick, that's for sure. Her portrayal of being 'normal' is actually very scary. ...jmo

 

[Sweeper2000]

Maybe the royal college report and the grievance were either found to be irrelevant or not substantial. Obviously babies dying was.

 

[Tortoise]

Maybe the royal college report and the grievance were either found to be irrelevant or not substantial. Obviously babies dying was.

Not forensic investigations.

 

[WaneLyrical]

When you say the 250 were stretched over her career...obviously the first one as a student was a single keepsake ..but the rest when did the main collection begin ?

During the trial Nick Johnson said 99 of the handover notes were from her student accommodation.

 

[Parker Knoll]

Correct.

 

[JosieJo]

During the trial Nick Johnson said 99 of the handover notes were from her student accommodation.

The psychology around her keeping these would be very interesting..it's obvious that she dipped In and out of deciding to keep them ..(bearing in mind it's impossible she accidentally accumulated them and just didn't know how to dispose of them as she claimed)

 

[Sweeper2000]

During the trial Nick Johnson said 99 of the handover notes were from her student accommodation.

Doesn't that just make it weirder she kept them? More housemoves and more knowingly keeping them? So why

 

[Parker Knoll]

To re live it all.

 

[Anxala]

She had ample opportunity to say she had been taking them home in order for her to compile her grievance when she was on the stand … she was asked many times why.
Her answer as we all know was “ I collect paper “
Literally from the horses mouth was no mention of any grievance procedure why she had them.

It's awful that Lucy Letby's own words are being disputed here.

When I say 'awful', I do of course mean comically ironic, that those who continue to try to put a different - benign - interpretation on them are, in effect, calling her a liar!

 

[WaneLyrical]

Doesn't that just make it weirder she kept them? More housemoves and more knowingly keeping them? So why

I don’t think it’s weird, but then I don’t think any crimes were committed, so it’s easier for me to see them as irrelevant.

I think it shows some nurses would rather keep a record of their shift notes, and the hospital should accommodate that.

 

[Sweeper2000]

There are no words or maybe she meant "I don't know what it means" or even "I dont know exactly what it is". And so on and so forth

 

[Sweeper2000]

I don’t think it’s weird, but then I don’t think any crimes were committed, so it’s easier for me to see them as irrelevant.

I think it shows some nurses would rather keep a record of their shift notes, and the hospital should accommodate that.

I can see your arguing from that perspective. I if not looking at it from the angle of she's convicted also try and look at it from a neutral perspective as in open to any options which imo is fair.

The hospital would have a record of her work shifts and notes not exactly sure of the process and longevity but they will have them. If she wanted that she could request it as standard procedure and even then absolutely no need to break the rules in a weird way. Also shift notes wouldn't be on the handovers, would be on the clinical notes.

How did you reach the conclusion that the NHS does not accommodate people wishing to

 

[Anxala]

I don’t think it’s weird, but then I don’t think any crimes were committed, so it’s easier for me to see them as irrelevant.

I think it shows some nurses would rather keep a record of their shift notes, and the hospital should accommodate that.

It sounds like you've come to the end of the 'innocent' rope you were clinging to.

 

[Bekind89]

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On that logic anyone accused of murder should have their back gardens dug up, just in case- yet for some reason the police don’t normally take that approach unless they have reason to believe their will be evidence in the back garden.

They certainly do take that approach when dealing with a known serial killer.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Also if it was just shift notes and I would need you to elaborate on that? What do you mean by shift notes etc? Then why did she keep thr blood gas notes?