GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #38

[Marantz4250b]

The suggestion that any of the doctors in any way contributed towards, or were complicit in, any of these deaths or collapses is completely and utterly, off-the-charts, insane. It really is. There is literally zero evidence to suggest anything of the sort.

Lucy Letby was the sole perpetrator of all of the deaths, collapses and injuries she was convicted of. It really is that simple.

The only role the hospital played in this - IMO - was that of managers who dismissed and bullied doctors into submission when they raised legitimate concerns about her. In my opinion, and that of most people on here, she would have been stopped much sooner had they behaved responsibly. Nothing to do with any medical staff in any way, though.

 

[Ruthbullock]

Honestly makes no sense at all that she did it to highlight other failings at the hospital. She was more than capable of filing datix and other routes. Its pretty obviously the case that had she reported to managers they would have gone with what Lucy said, seemed teh managers didnt like the docs much. Then your left with the question of why proactively harm so many babies to achieve it, what kind of person would? You'd have to be heartless.

She did complete a whole host of Datix forms- that was also used against herr

 

[Ruthbullock]

The suggestion that any of the doctors in any way contributed towards, or were complicit in, any of these deaths or collapses is completely and utterly, off-the-charts, insane. It really is. There is literally zero evidence to suggest anything of the sort.

Lucy Letby was the sole perpetrator of all of the deaths, collapses and injuries she was convicted of. It really is that simple.

The only role the hospital played in this - IMO - was that of managers who dismissed and bullied doctors into submission when they raised legitimate concerns about her. In my opinion, and that of most people on here, she would have been stopped much sooner had they behaved responsibly. Nothing to do with any medical staff in any way, though.

We shall see, I think the inquiry painted a very different picture of the doctors. I think it’s genuinely a pity that they couldn’t see beyond their whispering and follow their own safeguarding protocols- but I also accept that this was to do with the fact they were barely ever on the ward- which circled back to how stretched they were to do ward rounds and attend meetings about serious incidents- which should have been raised by them through their own safeguarding protocols. They loved a good mutter privately about the state of the situation and their inability to attend meetings, but they were hardly being heroic men (and women) of action throughout this time. We suspect there may be foul play on the unit, whilst not pushing parents to get autopsies and inquiries into deaths. They saw dubious test results and x rays, but never followed them up to get confirmation or review them. Was there even a single DATIX form completed by a doctor in those few years? All questions asked of them in the inquiry whilst they floundered to justify why they didn’t do those things- and honestly the excuse of being suspicious of someone causing harm taking up all their time really doesn’t wash with me and it didn’t appear to be acceptable in the inquiry either. But hey you have swung me back off the fence to accepting the guilty verdict- so maybe you can also convince me the doctors did their utmost for those babies on the unit.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Curios and remarkable that someone who believes she is guilty should seek to more broadly apportion responsibility for what happened. Without reason or if tehre is reason its not quoted or stated.

To say she did it because she wanted to highlight others failings is imo to lessen the severity of her actions. It provides reason where there is none and belittles much Needless suffering for allot of people.

Without mentioning the parents who are above all in such regard one could only wonder how the docs and medical staff felt when the babies showed the symptoms we saw in that med file. If that were me I'd probably spend the rest of my life a drunk trying to rid myself of the mental picture.

 

[Parker Knoll]

The suggestion that any of the doctors in any way contributed towards, or were complicit in, any of these deaths or collapses is completely and utterly, off-the-charts, insane. It really is. There is literally zero evidence to suggest anything of the sort.

Lucy Letby was the sole perpetrator of all of the deaths, collapses and injuries she was convicted of. It really is that simple.

The only role the hospital played in this - IMO - was that of managers who dismissed and bullied doctors into submission when they raised legitimate concerns about her. In my opinion, and that of most people on here, she would have been stopped much sooner had they behaved responsibly. Nothing to do with any medical staff in any way, though.

Amen !

 

[katydid23]

She did complete a whole host of Datix forms- that was also used against herr

Used against her because some were phoney. She used them to try and cover her evil deeds.

 

[katydid23]

We shall see, I think the inquiry painted a very different picture of the doctors. I think it’s genuinely a pity that they couldn’t see beyond their whispering and follow their own safeguarding protocols- but I also accept that this was to do with the fact they were barely ever on the ward- which circled back to how stretched they were to do ward rounds and attend meetings about serious incidents- which should have been raised by them through their own safeguarding protocols. They loved a good mutter privately about the state of the situation and their inability to attend meetings, but they were hardly being heroic men (and women) of action throughout this time.

I don't think you have a clear view of the actual situation. The doctors did have meetings and calls concerning the troubling collapses. And early on they became suspicious of Letby because she was so front and centre at all of the earliest incidents.

The doctors stated their suspicions through the proper protocol and were REJECTED by the administration. The nurses union then took over and they rebuffed the doctors at every turn. In fact, three of the doctors were threatened with suspension, penalties, or even firing, because of their stance against Letby. It was heroic, in my opinion, that they continued on with their efforts to get her off the floor of the clinic.

We suspect there may be foul play on the unit, whilst not pushing parents to get autopsies and inquiries into deaths.

That is untrue. There was only one doctor that did not suggest or push for an autopsy. All of the other babies in the trial had autopsies. And there was no reason to push for inquiries into the early deaths because it was not totally unheard of for a premature baby to die.

It wasn't until there was an upsurge AND the unusual symptoms and strange inability for them to respond to the usual treatments for collapse that they realised it was not a normal situation.

They saw dubious test results and x rays, but never followed them up to get confirmation or review them.

Again, you are incorrect. There were formal review meetings after every incident, and we saw the notes from them during the trial. The doctors and nurses attended these review meetings and discussed the test results, the x-rays and the other similar cases. It was during these meetings that suspicions arose.

Was there even a single DATIX form completed by a doctor in those few years? All questions asked of them in the inquiry whilst they floundered to justify why they didn’t do those things- and honestly the excuse of being suspicious of someone causing harm taking up all their time really doesn’t wash with me and it didn’t appear to be acceptable in the inquiry either.

I think if you followed the trial you would have seen the lengths that many of the doctors took to try and sound the alarm.

It is easy to 'flounder' on the heat sheet during a high profile inquiry. But the problem was that even though the doctors did express their suspicions and asked that Letby be given a desk job while investigations were done, they were admonished and threatened for making that request.

I imagine they did second guess themselves at times with that kind of response from their superiors.

But hey you have swung me back off the fence to accepting the guilty verdict- so maybe you can also convince me the doctors did their utmost for those babies on the unit.

I'll gladly take on that challenge. I will see what I can gather....