GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #38

[JimmyDurham]

We expect what to happen every year somewhere? If this is the case, can you any point any of these spikes out?

Blackpool Teaching Hospitals recorded 8 neonatal deaths in 2015.

 

[May72031]

Blackpool Teaching Hospitals recorded 8 neonatal deaths in 2015.

Were they all sudden and unexpected?

 

[JimmyDurham]

How unusual was the spike in neonatal deaths when Lucy Letby was working?

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The above is a link to a chart which shows neonatal deaths in hospitals across England.

In Letby's hospital, there were 9 in 2015 and 8 in 2016.

Other hospitals 2014: there were 7 in Bedford Hospital and 7 in Morecambe Bay Hospital.

Other hospitals 2015: there were 8 in Blackpool Hospital.

Other hospitals 2016: 7 in Blackpool Hospital and 7 in Kettering Hospital.

 

[JimmyDurham]

Were they all sudden and unexpected?

What do you think?

Were they all unexpected in Letby's case? Not according to some medical experts who have claimed that the babies suffered from complications that led to deaths due to natural causes.

 

[Ruthbullock]

I think you are misunderstanding what happened. Dr Shoo Lee has said his study had been misrepresented. But others disagreed and have shown evidence to support what the prosecution claimed at trial. And it was also shown that the jury made its decision upon other factors, such as the defendants many lies and inconsistencies in her testimony. And she was caught falsifying some of her medical notes and observations in order to try and show she was not in the same rooms as some of the victims---when there is proof that she was.

So what Dr Lee is claiming is unimportant because her guilty verdict was based upon many other pieces of evidence, beyond the colour of a rash.

So Dr Lee has come back to Professor Clarke and Clarke has admitted his error, so currently there is no professional who has publicly disagreed with Dr Lee.

With regards the rashes are unimportant, then you once again remove a bit of the whole picture, alongside stats and inaccurate insulin readings- this is why it needs re examining and the conviction becomes less secure.

 

[Sweeper2000]

So Dr Lee has come back to Professor Clarke and Clarke has admitted his error, so currently there is no professional who has publicly disagreed with Dr Lee.

With regards the rashes are unimportant, then you once again remove a bit of the whole picture, alongside stats and inaccurate insulin readings- this is why it needs re examining and the conviction becomes less secure.

Where'd you get that from? Bit about lee responding and Clarks response

 

[Ruthbullock]

You're right, the jury didn't hear these "experts" because she didn't call them! Her defence team would have had notification that the paper by Shoo Lee was going to be used. They could easily have found him and sought his opinion! There was no restriction as to time or expense so why didn't they?

For two reasons- 1. Money is restricted in a legal aid case- so money was an issue and 2. He isn’t allowed as a British expert witness, we don’t have the same flexibility as the US and whilst he wrote the paper and it was used as an example, Dr Lee himself could never be a witness. He could have written a report to be shared as he has done, but that can still be misinterpreted another flaw in our system.

 

[Ruthbullock]

Where'd you get that from? Bit about lee responding and Clarks response

It’s in the press and all over twitter/x . Follow professor Clarke on x- he corrected himself a few days ago acknowledging he hadn’t read the full document and had commented only reading half the report. It’s now also in the Sun about Dr Lees response. I would have ignored the sun article as hearsay, but Paul Clarke himself admitted he failed to read all the information about the rashes a few days ago.

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[Ruthbullock]

Do you believe Myers worked alone on the case and didn't consult any medical experts?

Possibly- he may well have focused on the building contamination issues believing they would argue the failings in the neo natel unit, he wanted to use the royal college of nursing report as well- which was not permitted. You seem to think they had unlimited staffing money and resources to plough into one case- they will have come up with their strategy and run with it., whilst also having numerous other cases on the go.

 

[Ruthbullock]

Were they all sudden and unexpected?

The sheer volume of investigations and inquiries into various hospitals across the UK over neonatal deaths- suggests it’s a widespread issue, so it’s not wrong to assume there are a lot of sudden and unexpected deaths everywhere that are currently unexplained.