UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999 - 2002

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Kaplan also noted a very specific allegation in the complaint: "During this encounter, Epstein, Maxwell, and Prince Andrew forced Plaintiff, a child, to have sexual intercourse with Prince Andrew against her will."

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The judge quips that there was no lack of clarity about "intercourse," at least "since someone else was in the White House."

 

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Judge reading a portion of the complaint in which Giuffre wrote that she was sexually abused at Ghislaine Maxwell's apartment by Prince Andrew at the behest of Epstein and Maxwell. Prince's lawyer says she doesn't allege harm. Judge: we need to move to next point@LawCrimeNetwork

BBM
Being sexually abused is not harmful ?

 

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Brettler: Prince Andrew should not be dragged into this court 20 years after the fact. Memories fade. Governor Cuomo extending statute of limitations is unconstitutional. Giuffre should have filed this sooner

 

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Brettler says the suit should be thrown out because the CBA [CVA?] is unconstitutional and Giuffre waited 5 days before statute of limitations expired to file.
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Giuffre lawyer David Boies speaking and says Brettler is arguing things that are not included in their motion to dismiss - such as Gov. Cuomo extending statute of limitations.
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As far as the complaint being clear, Boies says what is alleged is made clear.
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Boies says "potential defendants" has more than 1 interpretation. They think the most reasonable is 1- subject to jurisdiction of FL court 2 - someone who engaged in the type of activity asserted in the FL action
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Boies: Prince Andrew was not subject to jurisdiction. Second, he was not the person who was engaged in that conduct - which violated federal trafficking statutes. Not battery. Judge: there could be overlap? Boies says yes
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Boies says "potential defendants" has more than 1 interpretation. They think the most reasonable is 1- subject to jurisdiction of FL court 2 - someone who engaged in the type of activity asserted in the FL action
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Boies: Prince Andrew was not subject to jurisdiction. Second, he was not the person who was engaged in that conduct - which violated federal trafficking statutes. Not battery. Judge: there could be overlap? Boies says yes
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Well done Mr Boies
Carry on!

 

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@MikeSacksEsq

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David Boies going all 1L contracts law to argue Giuffre's very broad settlement agreement with Epstein doesn't protect Prince Andrew

 

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Angenette Levy
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Boies says the state claim they are asserting does not overlap the 2009 federal action. The only claim that the defendant asserts that was made in the 2009 FL action that would cover Prince Andrew - was 3rd count - to transport for purpose of illegal sexual activity
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Boies: No allegation that Prince Andrew was transporting. He was someone to whom the girls were trafficked. So, for two reasons, that is why he is not a potential defendant.
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Though he occasionally challenges him on certain points, Judge Kaplan's questioning of Giuffre's attorney David Boies appears far less pointed than toward the prince's counsel.

 

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Boies: When Prince Andrew puts forth an affirmative defense, we can put facts in front of the court. An affirmative defense is not appropriate for a motion to dismiss.
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Judge reading a portion of the complaint in which Giuffre wrote that she was sexually abused at Ghislaine Maxwell's apartment by Prince Andrew at the behest of Epstein and Maxwell. Prince's lawyer says she doesn't allege harm. Judge: we need to move to next point@LawCrimeNetwork

Wow. Giuffre wrote of being abused by PA at the “behest of Epstein and Maxwell” and PA’s attorney basically says “well, yea, but she wasn’t harmed”.
The apologists for PA and Epstein and Maxwell don’t want to see the big and very real picture. They want to distill it all down to the sexual act itself. They want to say it was OK because the girls got to fly around in big planes and lay out by fancy pools. They want to elevate adolescent thinking and vulnerability to that of 45 year old adults. These were children, manipulated, conned, fooled and groomed to satisfy a bunch of deviant evil sick grownups who had the money and means to and mentality to do this. The children were lured by money and baubles. They were children! They were masterfully taken advantage of and PA and all the other big names need to be locked up.

 

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Boies makes another argument as to the enforceability of the 2009 settlement agreement: The only person who could assert this release in this case would be Epstein, he argues.

 

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Angenette Levy
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Boies says the state claim they are asserting does not overlap the 2009 federal action. The only claim that the defendant asserts that was made in the 2009 FL action that would cover Prince Andrew - was 3rd count - to transport for purpose of illegal sexual activity
Angenette Levy
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Boies: No allegation that Prince Andrew was transporting. He was someone to whom the girls were trafficked. So, for two reasons, that is why he is not a potential defendant.
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the girls? I thought allegedly there was one girl? VG?

 

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Boies: the only person who could assert this release in this case would be Epstein. He and Giuffre were the two parties in the contract
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Brettler: It sounds to me as if Boies is agreeing with me that Prince Andrew is covered. Judge asks if Boies agrees. He says, no, he does not agree.

 

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Brettler's back up for the prince.

 

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What did the Sultan of Brunei do to this Judge?

 

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Prince Andrew attorney reading language in the document about the contemplation of 3rd parties and the court having jurisdiction.

 

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Judge: A and B cannot sign a contract for C unless they have POA. Brettler agrees. Judge: so isn't it void? Brettler says no. (This agreement was filed in FL) Brettler says it releases federal and state claims
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Judge Kaplan promises to have a decision "pretty soon," without setting a date, but he notes there is no stay of discovery. Story soon,
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