GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #10

[Tortoise]

Are we allowed to refer to posts on the Bristol Post's FB page?

I hope so sounds interesting

 

[Tortoise]

I think he is seriously ****ed up in head, putting it bluntly! I think he is as messed up and sick as he is evil.

I think there are issues connected to abandonment, with him being bought up by his grandmother, then seeing his own mother taking on someone else's child.

I think there is an issue with his interest in teenage girls, which only would become a problem as he got older, and the gap between ages would make it illegal.

The hoarding is a sign of mental illness, and the hoarding on lesser scale at Becky's house (but which wouldn't take much to escalate) is relevant too, as either its his stuff so is encroaching into their space, or it belongs to another member of Becky's family, meaning another hoarder/person with mental health issues.

With his mum's illness, and Becky's mental health issues, I think that family was full of stresses.

I think he is also very immature and hasn't actually grown up himself yet - going by his obsession/jealousy of a 16 year old getting more attention than him.

What SH adds to that mix, I don't know. However, from what Retribution was saying before he/she left the thread, I got the impression there is more we don't know about the family, which may also have contributed.

what is his sexual frustration about I wonder?

a personality disorder? or an obsessive/compulsive disorder perhaps?

 

[jessie]

Haven't caught up with all the posts yet....but given the fact that there is no evidence of any sexual attack, does anyone feel that actually he DIDN'T intend to kill becky and that actually his crazy kidnapping plan is the truth.

I really want to believe SH is innocent. But I am thinking at the moment its more a case of she did KNOW what had happened....and she was just too frightened to say anything to the police, perhaps she thought the same fate lay ahead for her she spoke about it?

OMOO But in SH's videos I haven't seen anything that makes me believe she was a person who would be too frightened to inform police if she had suddenly discovered what had happened. I see no fear, no shock, no disbelief in her vids. Apart from some tears, her reactions are unnatural imo. This happened to a girl she knew, a relative, and was committed by her partner of several years - yet to me she seems almost unmoved.
I don't believe we are getting a clear idea of her and NM's relationship at all.


eta Nor what really happened.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Are we allowed to refer to posts on the Bristol Post's FB page?

I've only read one which leapt out at me. The one about manipulated evidence at some point in the past - but it doesn't explain what is meant by that and how far back it goes...... which is frustrating.

 

[Warley]

This reminds me very much of when Fred West, killed his daughter and seemed very 'matter of fact' about dismembering her..

West tells police: ‘I brought my two hands up and grabbed her around the neck. But I didn’t grab her round the neck to choke her or nothing. All I was going to do was to grab her round the neck and shake her.’

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Oh my gosh, just reading this... they could have been the next Fred and Rose!
Not wanting to sound odd... but I really want to know why her sanitary protection was removed, if the murder was not of a sexual nature?

 

[epiphany]

I think he is seriously ****ed up in head, putting it bluntly! I think he is as messed up and sick as he is evil.

I think there are issues connected to abandonment, with him being bought up by his grandmother, then seeing his own mother taking on someone else's child.

I think there is an issue with his interest in teenage girls, which only would become a problem as he got older, and the gap between ages would make it illegal.

The hoarding is a sign of mental illness, and the hoarding on lesser scale at Becky's house (but which wouldn't take much to escalate) is relevant too, as either its his stuff so is encroaching into their space, or it belongs to another member of Becky's family, meaning another hoarder/person with mental health issues.

With his mum's illness, and Becky's mental health issues, I think that family was full of stresses.

I think he is also very immature and hasn't actually grown up himself yet - going by his obsession/jealousy of a 16 year old getting more attention than him.

What SH adds to that mix, I don't know. However, from what Retribution was saying before he/she left the thread, I got the impression there is more we don't know about the family, which may also have contributed.

Often, the childhood roles we play continue long after they should be discarded or even when the stage or one of the individuals has changed.

IMO, Becky's role as the Scapegoat is over now with her murder

 

[bos]

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So, can link to the Bristol Post post made 7 hours ago about NM's attraction to teens but not the visitors? https://www.facebook.com/bristolpost?ref=ts&fref=ts

 

[skibaboo]

Public Pages
Mainstream Media (MSM)
Law Enforcement (LE)
Group support pages for victims, such as "Help Find..." and "Justice for...”
Legitimate non-profit organizations who provide assistance and support to victims and their families (e.g., Klass Kids, Texas Equusearch).

•Links may be used to direct members to a post by the owner or an admin of an approved social media page/profile.
•Posts by an owner or admin may be copied or quoted. This refers primarly to posts or tweets by MSM reporters, and announcements by law enforcement, the immediate family, or the admin of a group support page.
•Paraphrasing is okay.
•***NOTE: Comments and posts by readers/visitors of these pages are not allowed to be quoted, copied or referenced. Just don’t mention them.
•Regarding group support pages, i.e., "Help Find..." and "Justice for...”: If at any time the WS staff determines a group support page to be inappropriate, a notice will be posted in the thread stating that the page is no longer approved.

So, can link to the Bristol Post post made 7 hours ago about NM's attraction to teens but not the visitors? https://www.facebook.com/bristolpost?ref=ts&fref=ts

You can point out a comment on a MSM page like the Bristol Post, using the posters initials and time of comment.

I'm guessing the comments by SJ under the article 7 hours ago?

 

[bos]

You can point out a comment on a MSM page like the Bristol Post, using the posters initials and time of comment.

I'm guessing the comments by SJ under the article 7 hours ago?

Yes, those are the ones

 

[ColourPurple]

what is his sexual frustration about I wonder?

a personality disorder? or an obsessive/compulsive disorder perhaps?

Might be related to this

Matthews said sex with Hoare was painful for her "90 per cent of the time".


He said though Hoare had experimented sexually with girls in the past, and engaged in threesomes with him, she was not sexually attracted to females.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Becky-...strated-8217/story-28072805-detail/story.html

If SH does find it painful it could lead to her not wanting to have sex with him much and wanting it over quickly when it does happen.

 

[skibaboo]

Yes, those are the ones

Wait, what was the fake name the takeaway was ordered under? Sophie?

 

[epiphany]

Wait, what was the fake name the takeaway was ordered under? Sophie?

"Cook", without the E at the end, Sophie Cook

 

[Jinkasaurus]

admitted attraction to younger females + lots of violent + some other past charge of voyeurism (not sure on the details there) + discussion of kidnapping young teen + eventual murder of young teen (just like the ones he was attracted to) = the path of many violent murderers

the fantasies start when these guys are young, then the fuels them, makes the fantasies stronger, and eventually the isn't enough to satisfy, and the perp starts acting fantasies out on real victims

Its an extremely common pattern.

I think this is NM's path, and he is just downplaying all of it.

I think he found a willing partner in SH, and she was going to go along for the ride.

 

[ColourPurple]

That doesn't make any sense legally.
But I'm sure this kind of thing is taken into account as an aggravating factor when sentencing.



Perhaps that's why she started yelling at him!

True it wouldnt' make sense legally as the law stands currently, it'd mean some change in law where killing and dismemberment is combined in one charge with a longer standard sentence than killing accidentally . It's never going to happen, just find it frustrating that there's no real deterrent to stop people in NM's situation from cutting up the body too.

 

[bos]

Not wanting to sound odd... but I really want to know why her sanitary protection was removed, if the murder was not of a sexual nature?

I'm not convinced that it was manually removed. On a previous thread, another poster mentioned the phenomenon of "coffin birth" where the escape of gas build up via the vagina has caused pregnant corpses to deliver babies. I've been reading up about post mortem purge fluid and gas which is where gas and fluid build up around the internal organs but there is some escape via orifices.

 

[skibaboo]

"Cook", without the E at the end, Sophie Cook

Ahh thank you! I was trying to search for it on my phone with no luck... I just thought for a minute it was the same name as the FB poster. I was wrong!

 

[Gigi-G]

I think he is seriously ****ed up in head, putting it bluntly! I think he is as messed up and sick as he is evil.

I think there are issues connected to abandonment, with him being bought up by his grandmother, then seeing his own mother taking on someone else's child.

I think there is an issue with his interest in teenage girls, which only would become a problem as he got older, and the gap between ages would make it illegal.

The hoarding is a sign of mental illness, and the hoarding on lesser scale at Becky's house (but which wouldn't take much to escalate) is relevant too, as either its his stuff so is encroaching into their space, or it belongs to another member of Becky's family, meaning another hoarder/person with mental health issues.

With his mum's illness, and Becky's mental health issues, I think that family was full of stresses.

I think he is also very immature and hasn't actually grown up himself yet - going by his obsession/jealousy of a 16 year old getting more attention than him.

What SH adds to that mix, I don't know. However, from what Retribution was saying before he/she left the thread, I got the impression there is more we don't know about the family, which may also have contributed.

I hear you loud and clear. There are deep seated issues here. But of which we'll never know.
The Motive behind the killing of BW. Maybe it was a kidnap gone wrong. But to dismember her. It's not like she's a nothing a no one a stranger. She was family. Albeit by marriage only. But was part of his family for numerous years.

So why the gruesome dismemberment?
What was the Motive behind the thinking/thought?

 

[Cherwell]

True it wouldnt' make sense legally as the law stands currently, it'd mean some change in law where killing and dismemberment is combined in one charge with a longer standard sentence than killing accidentally . It's never going to happen, just find it frustrating that there's no real deterrent to stop people in NM's situation from cutting up the body too.

I don't think it's a good idea to move away from the central issue of intent to kill. There are many other undignified ways in which murderers have attempted to dispose of bodies, I wouldn't single out dismemberment. I think, as I said, it is covered under sentencing as an aggravating factor.

I'm not convinced that it was manually removed. On a previous thread, another poster mentioned the phenomenon of "coffin birth" where the escape of gas build up via the vagina has caused pregnant corpses to deliver babies. I've been reading up about post mortem purge fluid and gas which is where gas and fluid build up around the internal organs but there is some escape via orifices.

Yes, I was thinking it may have been removed for the same reason he gave for the stabbing - to aid the release of gases and fluids. I don't know if it would make any difference, but it's about whether he thought it would.

I hear you loud and clear. There are deep seated issues here. But of which we'll never know.
The Motive behind the killing of BW. Maybe it was a kidnap gone wrong. But to dismember her. It's not like she's a nothing a no one a stranger. She was family. Albeit by marriage only. But was part of his family for numerous years.

So why the gruesome dismemberment?
What was the Motive behind the thinking/thought?

Just desperation, I think, combined with muddled thinking and panic.

 

[Tortoise]

Is there a disparity here - between the angry and impulsive NM we have heard about, and the NM who sits in court seemingly not becoming wound up by the accusations and questions? something isn't adding up with his admission and his answers to questions and the deep anger issues and hatred/jealousy we've heard about.

I don't get the impression he is lying except about the killing and SH not knowing, and that, although being a HUGE lie, could be explained if he was doing this because he is protecting SH and his and Becky's families.

I think that's what it is, for me. He comes over as a protector by nature and that is why the killing part isn't making sense to me.

 

[Tortoise]

Forget that, I think I'm going soft lol.

He was going to terrify Becky out of her mind. That is no protector.