GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #14

[ColourPurple]

I wonder if NM will ever spill the beans about what really happened? Will he hold a grudge against SH if she doesn't visit him as often as possible, this is of course, if she's found not guilty, or serves a short sentence.

He told his mother via letter that he'd been advised not to discuss the case , so maybe he will once it's over. If SH is found guilty then she wouldn't be considered for early parole unless she'd admitted her part so it would be interesting to see if their/her story changed when faced with that situation. But she might still be found not guilty and then she has no further use for NM and is free to live her dream life without him.

 

[mrazda71]

I can only speak for myself, but my opinion wasn't changed by his comments. I had thought for a long time, and had said so on here, that as far as I could see there was no evidence that he was involved.



There's no verbatim account available so we don't know exactly what was said. It's been suggested before that he could have dozed off on the sofa, and then woken up and gone up to bed. Hence the mention of a sofa. Or perhaps his bed was actually a sofa bed. As for the headphones, or ear buds or whatever it was, I suppose he fell asleep listening to music or the radio in the same way I occasionally fall asleep with my specs on while reading in bed.

I really don't think this sort of nitpicking is enough to convict a man.

If I recall correctly DD said "I was upstairs in bed asleep with headphones in" ...

No, I don't think nitpicking is enough to convict a man either but I'm guessing the police and the CPS must have thought there to be enough evidence to remand him in prison for 5 months ...

 

[Yozzer]

NM may or may not have said inappropriate sexual remarks to Becky while her father was around, but according to his girlfriend's mother, he made sexual comments "all the time" so it's likely that she got some fallout from that.

He had no problem making sexual remarks in front of SH's mother, so why would he be any different in DG's house. IMO, it was just one more thing that Becky had to live with.

I think this was just "normal" behavior for NM.

Note the quote below regarding NM's behaviour was after Becky was killed. I would have thought that he would have been more subdued, under the circumstances.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...brother-controlling-girlfriend-jury-told.html

I wonder how compromised DG has felt about speaking candidly about NM, given that this is his wife's son?

 

[Dion]

I wonder if NM will ever spill the beans about what really happened? Will he hold a grudge against SH if she doesn't visit him as often as possible, this is of course, if she's found not guilty, or serves a short sentence.

He will likely never tell - there is nothing in it for him, and it would only make his mother more revolted with him, than she must already be.

What we know, is bad enough and the truth would probably be much worse.

If SH gets a short sentence (which I really hope does not happen) she would probably not bother to visit, and just get on with her life, and leave him there to rot.

 

[Cherwell]

If I recall correctly DD said "I was upstairs in bed asleep with headphones in" ...

No, I don't think nitpicking is enough to convict a man either but I'm guessing the police and the CPS must have thought there to be enough evidence to remand him in prison for 5 months ...

There is a record of what he said in police interviews of course, but what I meant was we only have hearsay accounts of what he said to the workmates. Their recollections will be flawed.

 

[Wallace]

Motive- Jealousy/Money
Though I don't think it was Murder,, I think NM went up to have some kind of altercation with BW and it got out of hand.
I still think the 'missing cheque' found in NM's loft may have something to do with it.
BW's Gran sent it to her, Did NM intercept and steal her post, thinking it contained cash?
Also have serious doubts that the ISA's actually existed. I wonder if the Police checked this out.
And 2 problems I have with the Kidnap Theory; Why would he have rung AG to say he was going there if he planned to kidnap? Why did NM take SH if his plan was to kidnap and had nothing to do with her?

This is an interesting point. How did the cheque get into SH and NM's possession?

Do we know the value of the cheque?

SH and NM were not in a position to intercept the cheque. That would most likely involve someone who lived there all the time.

 

[mrazda71]

Re the discussion of DD versus SH, the human element prob comes into play. That doesn't mean the jurors won't put that aside or OTOH, may factor (subconsciously) it in. I'm not sure what the outcome will be for DD.

Even before she takes the stand, when her earlier interviews are shown, SH appears to elicit a strong negative reaction even though pregnant. IMO, this stems primarily, from her discussion about Becky with the police, and the manner in which she comes across concerning her opinions about Becky on her video interviews.

As another poster noted, as clever as she may be, SH does not even appear to hear herself, or consider how she sounds when she speaks to the police about Becky. It astounded me!

OTOH, DD is likely charismatic; has developed people skills--something about him & his presentation on the stand that audience connected with, found him likable, believable, responded with their gut instincts

I think a lot of the negative reaction to Shauna is maybe because Nathan has confessed and already entered a guilty plea to manslaughter.

I think if Nathan hadn't confessed and was pleading innocent to all charges then the focus would be on him but in this situation.

The people wanted their fight and Nathan already admitted defeat and so it fell to Shauna.

 

[mrazda71]

This is an interesting point. How did the cheque get into SH and NM's possession?

Do we know the value of the cheque?

SH and NM were not in a position to intercept the cheque. That would most likely involve someone who lived there all the time.

If the cheque was given by hand to Becky and she left it laying on the kitchen worktop or anywhere in the house, it would be easy for Nathan to pick it up and stuff it in his pocket?

 

[ColourPurple]

This is an interesting point. How did the cheque get into SH and NM's possession?

Do we know the value of the cheque?

SH and NM were not in a position to intercept the cheque. That would most likely involve someone who lived there all the time.

Not sure if it came through the post or was handed to Becky by her grandma but if by post, they could have been there when the post arrived (as it can arrive quite late in the day now) and put that one in their pocket whilst picking up the rest.

Or maybe they had a nosey in Becky's bedroom when she was out and took it . I wonder if he went in her room for a nosey this time thinking she was out...

 

[Hexenb]

He will likely never tell - there is nothing in it for him, and it would only make his mother more revolted with him, than she must already be.

What we know, is bad enough and the truth would probably be much worse.

If SH gets a short sentence (which I really hope does not happen) she would probably not bother to visit, and just get on with her life, and leave him there to rot.

I think they knew at some stage the heat was on and the plan was NM takes the rap for it all but, not murder he's not going to agree to that it would be a long sentence, manslaughter would be not so long in their eyes, also he comes across as mad as a box of frogs and with his other ailments fibro I think in his world he is going to get a more lenient time in prison therefore he can handle a few years, as long as SH stands by him goes to visit whenever she can bring little one up (and twins if she went on to have them) waits for him to come out and lives happily ever after imo this is what NM thinks is going to happen in his little black and white world

 

[ColourPurple]

I think a lot of the negative reaction to Shauna is maybe because Nathan has confessed and already entered a guilty plea to manslaughter.

I think if Nathan hadn't confessed and was pleading innocent to all charges then the focus would be on him but in this situation.

The people wanted their fight and Nathan already admitted defeat and so it fell to Shauna.

It's not so much people wanting their fight, it's that her story of not being involved is so unbelievable to most, yet she's still pleading not guilty. And yes if NM had gone down that route too it'd be the same.

 

[Dion]

I wonder how compromised DG has felt about speaking candidly about NM, given that this is his wife's son?

Yes, that puts him in an awkward situation, but his loyalty should be towards his daughter's memory. I doubt whether he will speak candidly in public about NM in deference to AG.

Anjie was Becky's step-mother since she was a child, so she is in pain as well as DG, and must be completely torn apart that it was her son, who murdered her.

 

[Beesknees]

This is an interesting point. How did the cheque get into SH and NM's possession?

Do we know the value of the cheque?

SH and NM were not in a position to intercept the cheque. That would most likely involve someone who lived there all the time.

I think they were in good position to do it. Note that they used to go to Becky's to do chores. At the time Becky wasn't at home they could easily have picked it from her bedroom for example. From their statements, mainly SH's they were like obssessed with Becky's life, Becky's behaviour, etc, so I believe they could enter her room just to 'discover' things about Becky. 'Becky rules the house' as NM said in a message...

They surely watched Becky like hawks and it was very easy to pick the cheque. Even if it was only to upset her and make her worried for having lost a cheque her granny had given her or to make her appear as lacking responsability.

 

[Wallace]

I think a lot of the negative reaction to Shauna is maybe because Nathan has confessed and already entered a guilty plea to manslaughter.

I think if Nathan hadn't confessed and was pleading innocent to all charges then the focus would be on him but in this situation.

The people wanted their fight and Nathan already admitted defeat and so it fell to Shauna.

Certainly think that SH's blatant lying both in interviews and on the stand has not won her any fans.

I think NM has had as much focus but perhaps people haven't been quite as vocal when protesting about his lies. He doesn't come across as a cold calculating manipulative sociopathic nightmare (unlike someone else). Also he has at least admitted killing her and disposing of the body.

If she had admitted some small role in this I think she might have got away with it. Her total denial will be her downfall. I don't believe she had a small role BTW I think she is as guilty as NM is.

 

[sar2them1984]

NM may or may not have said inappropriate sexual remarks to Becky while her father was around, but according to his girlfriend's mother, he made sexual comments "all the time" so it's likely that she got some fallout from that.

He had no problem making sexual remarks in front of SH's mother, so why would he be any different in DG's house. IMO, it was just one more thing that Becky had to live with.

I think this was just "normal" behavior for NM.

Note the quote below regarding NM's behaviour was after Becky was killed. I would have thought that he would have been more subdued, under the circumstances.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...brother-controlling-girlfriend-jury-told.html

Ahhh yes but look at the source for all that...not exactly objective

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[mrazda71]

Certainly think that SH's blatant lying both in interviews and on the stand has not won her any fans.

I think NM has had as much focus but perhaps people haven't been quite as vocal when protesting about his lies. He doesn't come across as a cold calculating manipulative sociopathic nightmare (unlike someone else). Also he has at least admitted killing her and disposing of the body.

If she had admitted some small role in this I think she might have got away with it. Her total denial will be her downfall. I don't believe she had a small role BTW I think she is as guilty as NM is.

There is no outright proof that Shauna was involved at all though, no BOOM evidence that expected, no smoking gun ... what IF Shauna were innocent? When she was arrested on suspicion of kidnap she didn't even want a solicitor - you can't tell me that's the action of a guilty person? Or even a clever one! In fact a guilty or clever person would've demanded a solicitor be present.

Why should she plead guilty to anything IF she's not?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Not sure if it came through the post or was handed to Becky by her grandma but if by post, they could have been there when the post arrived (as it can arrive quite late in the day now) and put that one in their pocket whilst picking up the rest.

Or maybe they had a nosey in Becky's bedroom when she was out and took it . I wonder if he went in her room for a nosey this time thinking she was out...

IMO, NM is very nosy especially with regards to Becky, he was obsessed with her. She told her psychologist she was afraid of him, that's why I don't believe he ever knocked on her door. Either SH did, or he just burst in and it went downhill from there.

 

[Dion]

Not sure if it came through the post or was handed to Becky by her grandma but if by post, they could have been there when the post arrived (as it can arrive quite late in the day now) and put that one in their pocket whilst picking up the rest.

Or maybe they had a nosey in Becky's bedroom when she was out and took it . I wonder if he went in her room for a nosey this time thinking she was out...

I'm thinking it came by post, because if it was handed to her by her grandmother, it would probably be in cash.

If SH & NM were there 3 days a week, when the post came, Becky would be at shool, Darren at work, so only Anjie would be there and she is disabled, so it makes sense that SH or NM would pick up the envelope and would know that it contained money (too bad for them it was in cheque form).

Why wouldn't they just destroy the cheque - were they thinking they could somehow cash it?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I think they knew at some stage the heat was on and the plan was NM takes the rap for it all but, not murder he's not going to agree to that it would be a long sentence, manslaughter would be not so long in their eyes, also he comes across as mad as a box of frogs and with his other ailments fibro I think in his world he is going to get a more lenient time in prison therefore he can handle a few years, as long as SH stands by him goes to visit whenever she can bring little one up (and twins if she went on to have them) waits for him to come out and lives happily ever after imo this is what NM thinks is going to happen in his little black and white world

I agree totally!

 

[Dion]

IMO, NM is very nosy especially with regards to Becky, he was obsessed with her. She told her psychologist she was afraid of him, that's why I don't believe he ever knocked on her door. Either SH did, or he just burst in and it went downhill from there.

In my opinion, there is no way he politely knocked on her door, knowing what he had in store for her.