GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #8

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On the first night, he brings both "bags" into their home from the car after Shauna is sleeping. He places them somewhere in their home.

On the second night, again after Shauna is asleep, he collects the bag with Becky in it and places it in the bathtub. Then, he pours the drain cleaner in the toilet.


ETA: Freudian slip there

I know their house was a tip, but I wonder where he put Becky on that first night. She would have been heavy to left anywhere high up (or on all the piles of junk), maybe under a bed?
 
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I know their house was a tip, but I wonder where he put Becky on that first night. She would have been heavy to left anywhere high up (or on all the piles of junk), maybe under a bed?

Only a guess, but she went into the bathtub, having moved the junk out of the bathroom first (neighbor hearing poss dragging, sounds of furniture moving)
 
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Only a guess, but she went into the bathtub, having moved the junk out of the bathroom first (neighbor hearing poss dragging, sounds of furniture moving)

No, I think she was hidden somewhere in the house on Thurs night / Friday before moving her into the bath on Friday night once Shauna was asleep. So she was elsewhere in their home for at least 24 hours.
 
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No, I think she was hidden somewhere in the house on Thurs night / Friday before moving her into the bath on Friday night once Shauna was asleep. So she was elsewhere in their home for at least 24 hours.

Yes, so he says, so he says

Could be, but I would think "they" needed to get started...a lot of work ahead
 
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Would also need a room with some ventilation imo. Even if not placed in bathroom that first night...the smell is beyond overwhelming, cannot miss it, even if you have never experienced before. Nothing like a dead animal from my own experience

Shauna would have smelled something that she had prob never smelled before

Very difficult for me to buy what they're selling in this case
 
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Yes, so he says, so he says

Could be, but I would think "they" needed to get started...a lot of work ahead

I hate the fact that these two were given the opportunity - for days - to get their story straight. Shouldn't their car/home have been searched (with dogs) straight away given the known fact that they were in the house when Becky went missing?!
 
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Another thought. Remember at the beginning it was a big mystery about who was in the house that day, wasn't there some mention of it being someone's birthday, whose would that have been?
 
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Another thought. Remember at the beginning it was a big mystery about who was in the house that day, wasn't there some mention of it being someone's birthday, whose would that have been?

I'm not familiar with anyone else being in BW's home that day, but I believe it was her brother's BD the day she went missing
 
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Just catching up. It's been a busy day on here. Everyone's updates have been great!

I'm not buying that Nathan's the simpleton he is making out to be! I dont think he's clever either but I think he thinks he is. I can't even believe that Metrosexual Neanderthal speech. One thing is for sure, I'd be happy to never hear the word 'obviously' in my life again. I don't think I could hear it without thinking of his evil face.

Was there ever any mention of SH or NM having to use her mum's shower etc? You would think if she had no access to her bathroom she would ask to use her mum's to bath her and her child if she was going up there and she was under the impression hers was out of action! Unless of course she didn't want to draw attention to that...

Also, Epiphany you seem to have some knowledge on this - how quickly would the smell from the body kick in?

The poor brother will never be able to enjoy a birthday again without the reminder of what happened to his sister.
 
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Wouldn't she then find it weird that he went out to buy more cleaning products with her despite the house still looking like a tip?

Your other examples of deception don't really compare to what SH is claiming to have happened, the majority are things the partner would do while the other partner wasn't present. With SH we're being asked to believe that she was completely oblivious to everything he did, from the kidnap kit in the boot, the violent struggle upstairs, putting the bag containing becky into the boot, the car being parked in a different way, his excuse that he parked that way to wash the car even though we know now it was raining at that time, him getting up in the night from their bed to go outside and carry in a body in a bag, she doesn't notice a big body shaped bag before it goes in the bathroom, doesn't think its odd that she's not allowed in the bathroom for days, doesnt notice the packages/suitcases containing body parts in the rest of the house when he says he moved them out of the bathroom, doesn't notice them being picked up in a van, even though she was supposedly there at the time. And today we hear that her DNA on the twsit of the bag containing some of Beckys body is a billion times more likely to have come from her having direct contact with the bag than any other way. I just don't buy that she's that oblivious or that he wouldn't have told her about his "brilliant" idea to teach Becky a lesson. They sound like they were a couple with few friends, who were joined at the hip most of the time.

He's a hoarder! He WOULD buy more bags etc!

S - 'Ere Nathan, what you buyin more bin bags for?'
N - 'Cause these bags look stronger than them others love and I do have a lot a lot a lotta stuff to clear out'
S - 'Oh okay then' ...

How? Why would Shauna notice that he'd filled his old hoarded suitcases with a chopped up body? When your house is full of THAT much stuff, you don't notice things any more.

Also, the reason we're all here is that we are nosy, inquisitive, questioning, observant, half intelligent people ... not everyone thinks like we do! Just because YOU think YOU would notice all these little things and immediately realise your fella had bumped off his step sister, doesn't mean your average Joe/Jane would.

Shauna's dna on a bag knot isn't enough proof for me that she did anything - bags don't come clinically sterile wrapped.
If this bag was taken downstairs and put somewhere, she could've picked it up and moved it (if there's a knotted bin bag, I'd shove my fingers through the knot to pick it up) or maybe she pulled a bag from the roll for her own rubbish ...

My other ideas of deception DO happen while the 2 people are together!

It wasn't a "body shaped bag" was it!

It matters not one bit to me whether she ultimately is convicted or not, I'm not about to start having 'Free Shauna' T-shirts printed ... I'm just trying to assumed she's innocent UNTIL I hear the BOOM - there's your beyond reasonable doubt evidence.


ETA - Just because Nathan tells us he has Fibro doesn't mean he actually has fibro and even if at some point a Dr has said 'ooh I think you might have fibro' it doesn't necessarily mean that in the heat of the moment, when necessity calls, and adrenalin kicks in, that he couldn't do what needs to be done.
 
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Have we got a copy of NM's full confession on here?



ETA = I can c/p it, but don't want to duplicate if already here.
 
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Would also need a room with some ventilation imo. Even if not placed in bathroom that first night...the smell is beyond overwhelming, cannot miss it, even if you have never experienced before. Nothing like a dead animal from my own experience

Shauna would have smelled something that she had prob never smelled before

Very difficult for me to buy what they're selling in this case

Good point re the smell, I was thinking 'after' he had dismembered and all wrapped in several layers no smell, but there would surely be one before, and like you say it IS a smell like no other. I wonder if JI smelt anything when he went in for a 🤬🤬🤬? Also if KD was still with them at that point?
 
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Yes - see post #261

Thanks - honestly I've read every page so far but couldn't remember seeing it.:facepalm:
 
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Can someone explain why the evidence given by the DNA man yesterday is better for proving that Shauna was involved? When he is saying 1 million times more likely than by chance for example, is he saying more likely than secondary transfer even taking into consideration that she lived there and the house wasn't particularly clean?

Also, in NM's confession, why would he take a duvet cover from the spare room? If the spare bedroom is the bedroom in the photos of Crown Hill that isn't BW's room or the master bedroom, it is cluttered with loads of stuff on the bed. http://www.samfm.co.uk/news/local-n...ial/i/view-of-rear-box-room-at-18-crown-hill/
 
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IF NM wanted to go for 'Diminished Responsibility'? would that have been said in Court? Just wondering if his self-description ( Neanderthal etc)is what this is aimed at?
 
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Can someone explain why the evidence given by the DNA man yesterday is better for proving that Shauna was involved? When he is saying 1 million times more likely than by chance for example, is he saying more likely than secondary transfer even taking into consideration that she lived there and the house wasn't particularly clean?

Also, in NM's confession, why would he take a duvet cover from the spare room? If the spare bedroom is the bedroom in the photos of Crown Hill that isn't BW's room or the master bedroom, it is cluttered with loads of stuff on the bed.

Can't help you with DNA but I was wondering myself about the duvet/ We know it had blood on so perhaps he used it to wrap her in or the struggle spread into that room and left blood on it so he removed....No idea, SO many unanswered questions coming out of it all! :gaah:
 
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I could understand blood being on it since there was blood on the door frame to spare room; I can even see him using it to wipe the blood from the door frames so that the blood wasn't visible until CSI looked for it. Would the prosecution have mentioned scorch marks if they weren't sure they'd been caused by stun gun rather than an iron/being dried too close to a fire?
 
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He says he put her body in the bag and took it to the car where it stayed until later that evening, at which point he took the bag into the house but left the body in the bag. He says he didn't take the body out of the bag until late evening on the Friday when he put the body in the bath.

Sorry if the next bit gets a bit graphic.

The body must have been curled up to fit in the bag surely? What about rigor mortis? That must have set in whilst the body was still curled up in the bag. Would rigor have reversed by the time he took her out of the bag? I assume he would need to wait for rigor to reverse in order to straighten the limbs to use the saw.

Did this "bag" he says he put the body in really exist? He says there were two bags, one for the body and the other for the duvet, clothes, shoes, phone, laptop etc. Where are these bags and how big are they? Are they the same bags as the suitcases found in the shed? Or were there no bags and he had to take a duvet to wrap the body in order to put it in the car, 1) so he was not seen carrying a body and 2) to try and protect the car from any blood/DNA transference? And if there were no bags, what does this mean for his kidnap story?
 
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