GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #8

[sar2them1984]

Hmm searched arrested development and there's not much on the subject now as the term is frowned upon -seems to be a term from 1800s - however is generally seems to be severe mental impairment and intelligence impairment,not something I would say NM has. However I did find out that there is also a very popular TV programme of the same name!

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[sar2them1984]

To me, he appears to be stuck somewhere in early adolescence. MAY also account for his sexual interest in young teen girls if true

Ok my ex and eldest daughters father is similar to this. He is 41 but doesn't see himself as anything older than early/mid twenties...he dresses..acts..and hangs around with people of that age. There was a 10 year age gap between us (I was 16 and he 26) when we first met and his now wife is 16 years his junior. Everything about him is teenagerish- his job,clothes views etc. Coincidently he's short and Bristolian....

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[Alyce]

If living in 'Social housing' you're expected to keep it maintained to a certain standard I believe?

In my opinion, they would NOT have called the landlord to fix the toilet as that would mean risking getting evicted once an official had seen the state of the place. So yes, I can see that they would've fixed problems themselves where possible.

Oh yes, hadn't thought of it that way. Plus, if NM was not * officially * meant to be living there, they would not have wanted that to possibly be revealed.

 

[Ironside]

I'd say the reason NM so badly wants SH to get away with it is because of their child - that is why he seems so distressed in the police interview.

 

[Ashbeck]

Have to agree with others. I sort of felt sorry for him. He didn't come across as a monster like I expected, but more like a child being told off. I wonder who's really the manipulator and dominant one in this relationship.

 

[sar2them1984]

I'd say the reason NM so badly wants SH to get away with it is because of their child - that is why he seems so distressed in the police interview.

Hmm if he was so concerned about his child though why take the child on the day of the "kidnap", why drive around with your kid and a body in the car,why let your kid sleep in a house with a dead body..in fact why let your kid sleep in that hovel at all...I thought it was for this reason initially but now I don't.

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[sar2them1984]

Have to agree with others. I sort of felt sorry for him. He didn't come across as a monster like I expected, but more like a child being told off. I wonder who's really the manipulator and dominant one in this relationship.

Yep I do wonder if a bit of good ol' reverse psychology is not key to their relationship

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[epiphany]

Have to agree with others. I sort of felt sorry for him. He didn't come across as a monster like I expected, but more like a child being told off. I wonder who's really the manipulator and dominant one in this relationship.

RBBM

He is stealthy and manipulative imo. On the surface, a polite concerned son, employee, a nice guy. His bullying behavior is covert, behind the scenes.

He repeats that his plan was to teach Becky a lesson bc she didn't listen to him or to her father, but when asked when the last conversation he had with Becky about these issues, he cannot recall a recent time he had such a discussion with her

 

[Ironside]

Hmm if he was so concerned about his child though why take the child on the day of the "kidnap", why drive around with your kid and a body in the car,why let your kid sleep in a house with a dead body..in fact why let your kid sleep in that hovel at all...I thought it was for this reason initially but now I don't.

It explains his genuine distress in the interview. I believe NM and SH were blinded by their sexual urges towards BW, killed her together and the consequences for their child/unborn children only dawned on them afterwards.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

I am very confused about the nature of their relationship. I hope more info comes out.

 

[epiphany]

I am very confused about the nature of their relationship. I hope more info comes out.

I'm guessing that their relationship is somewhat more complex than most, and quite symbiotic esp due to her having hooked up with him at age 14

 

[Gigi-G]

I'm with Jinkasaurus. I'm mega confused about their relationship. I'm more confused about their family unit as I'm not the tidiest of people n having grown up children still at home and a hubby with many hobbies. But I can still get to my bed. Still get in my bathroom kitchen and other rooms without wondering what might attack me on my travels. How on earth can they be parents to a toddler living in a bedroom cluttered with everything?
Where would the toddler play eat or sleep?
Arghhh what a sad existence. :'(

 

[Jinkasaurus]

I'm guessing that their relationship is somewhat more complex than most, and quite symbiotic esp due to her having hooked up with him at age 14

I agree. From the interviews and evidence so far, its hard to get a clear picture of who did what. They are both acting like SH had no involvement....

what would be SH's motivation to not throw NM under the bus to help save herself? Possible dependence/feeling scared/controlled by him?

What would be NM's motivation to minimize SH's involvement? The only thing I can think of is care for his child. A person could objectively be a bad parent (abusive/neglectful) and yet, in their own mind, they still care for/"love" the child. So just because he doesn't appear to be a good parent, inside his own head he might really care for his daughter.

 

[MissyLDT]

Yeah plus at time of arrest they potentially had 3 children to think about not just 1?

 

[jbelle]

To be fair to SH, she didn't ask for a lawyer immediately, and she was quite open in answering questions initially.
I can't fault her for seeking counsel when becoming a suspect and I can't fault her for taking the advice of her counsel, that's why
they are hired. I would have done the same.

I haven't seen enough to find her guilty yet, especially of murder. On the other charges I'd say I'm at a place where I have to explain away a lot
more for her to be innocent than the opposite. I suppose we'll see what's to come. Appreciate all the posts whether I agree or not, they all gave food for though.

 

[Gigi-G]

Given to the ages that NM n SH began a relationship. She was probably flattered by some one markedly older than her payed an interest.
But I think given NM and his mentality. It didn't bare too much to him that it could be illegal.
To him. With seeing the the pattern of his immaturity. Adolescent wise I think they'd be aged the same.
Being they'd both come from troubled back grounds. They found they had more in common. I think SH would of been the Mentally stronger in the relationship. And NM Physically stronger... (all those Neanderthal suppressed emotions)
Who wore the trousers.. hmmmm I really don't know. But I say this. I think they played off of each other.

 

[MamaJoJo]

I'd say the reason NM so badly wants SH to get away with it is because of their child - that is why he seems so distressed in the police interview.

Hmm if he was so concerned about his child though why take the child on the day of the "kidnap", why drive around with your kid and a body in the car,why let your kid sleep in a house with a dead body..in fact why let your kid sleep in that hovel at all...I thought it was for this reason initially but now I don't.

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It explains his genuine distress in the interview. I believe NM and SH were blinded by their sexual urges towards BW, killed her together and the consequences for their child/unborn children only dawned on them afterwards.

So far, I haven't seen SH or NM mention their child ONCE. I don't believe they thought about their child during any of the events concerning BW. Not during the planning, not during the execution, not during the aftermath and not during the interview/arrest process. And, they certainly weren't thinking of the well being of their child before Feb 19 while living in that pigsty eating junk food all day.

I know that, for me, I would be beside myself if I was arrested. Of course I'd be concerned with myself but equally, possibly even more, I would be concerned about my kids. I know I would be speaking about them through out the interview and especially after I was charged.

I hope that more light is shed on their relationship during the trial. Who was dominate? I believe whole-heartedly that SH was involved from the beginning to the end. And, as for NM, he doesn't come across as child-like to me, as some here have suggested. I see him as a master manipulator who is lying through his teeth (and tears). He seems scattered and disorganized in some of his actions but efficient, organized and thorough in others. Is that a sign of mental defect? He sure seems, to me, to have been very intent and clear on what he wanted to do to BW...and he succeeded.

 

[LBB]

So far, I haven't seen SH or NM mention their child ONCE. I don't believe they thought about their child during any of the events concerning BW. Not during the planning, not during the execution, not during the aftermath and not during the interview/arrest process. And, they certainly weren't thinking of the well being of their child before Feb 19 while living in that pigsty eating junk food all day.

I know that, for me, I would be beside myself if I was arrested. Of course I'd be concerned with myself but equally, possibly even more, I would be concerned about my kids. I know I would be speaking about them through out the interview and especially after I was charged.

I hope that more light is shed on their relationship during the trial. Who was dominate? I believe whole-heartedly that SH was involved from the beginning to the end. And, as for NM, he doesn't come across as child-like to me, as some here have suggested. I see him as a master manipulator who is lying through his teeth (and tears). He seems scattered and disorganized in some of his actions but efficient, organized and thorough in others. Is that a sign of mental defect? He sure seems, to me, to have been very intent and clear on what he wanted to do to BW...and he succeeded.

I thought it odd as well that they had not mentioned their child once, even just a 'how long will this go on for. I need to get home for my child' type comment, but I imagine we are seeing a snippet of the police interview. We aren't seeing the bits where they ask about their child, if they do. There's no reason for the prosecution to show that part to the court room although if they did, it would perhaps show a more human side. This is all If they did mention their child, which they may not havez

 

[babame]

I'm glad this wasn't just me who felt a bit sorry for him :shame:

I also felt sorry for him. I have a suspicion that he wasn't the puppet master in this crime.

 

[mrazda71]

So far, I haven't seen SH or NM mention their child ONCE. I don't believe they thought about their child during any of the events concerning BW. Not during the planning, not during the execution, not during the aftermath and not during the interview/arrest process. And, they certainly weren't thinking of the well being of their child before Feb 19 while living in that pigsty eating junk food all day.

I know that, for me, I would be beside myself if I was arrested. Of course I'd be concerned with myself but equally, possibly even more, I would be concerned about my kids. I know I would be speaking about them through out the interview and especially after I was charged.

I hope that more light is shed on their relationship during the trial. Who was dominate? I believe whole-heartedly that SH was involved from the beginning to the end. And, as for NM, he doesn't come across as child-like to me, as some here have suggested. I see him as a master manipulator who is lying through his teeth (and tears). He seems scattered and disorganized in some of his actions but efficient, organized and thorough in others. Is that a sign of mental defect? He sure seems, to me, to have been very intent and clear on what he wanted to do to BW...and he succeeded.

I'm SURE she has mentioned her child but it will have been bleeped/edited out for anonymity of her child.

Also, we're only seeing/reading/hearing odd sentences and sound bites from the trial. We're not hearing everything and we're not hearing what questions they were asked for the main part.