GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #9

[jessie]

Forgive the rookie question but in my head strangling or suffocation by using your hands should always be classed as murder because the killer decides not to stop the pressure.

Is there a legal definition of why it can be manslaughter?

The difference between murder and manslaughter is intent. No doubt a poster with more knowledge can explain, but it is not the

method which differentiates the two charges. OIMO & IMU

 

[KatieLH]

Also, I don't really find what they bought on the shopping trips that unexplainable or strange - if NM was responsible for the hoarding as he has said in court then he could have said to SH that he wanted to finally start cleaning things up properly and was serious about getting rid of the mess which to me would explain the rubble sacks, bleach, clingfilm, etc.

 

[ColourPurple]

Darren Little ‏@DarrenLittleSky 33s33 seconds ago
NM says #beckywatts talked to his mum "like dirt" and ordered her to do things


Darren Little ‏@DarrenLittleSky 1m1 minute ago
NM planned to take her somewhere, get her out the case and tell her " you need to change the way you are with people" #beckywatts


Darren Little ‏@DarrenLittleSky 2m2 minutes ago
NM says he had thought of "trying to scare Becky" for a few months, planned to "get her in the suitcase" then get her in the car #beckywatts


Darren Little ‏@DarrenLittleSky 5m5 minutes ago
Court resumes with Nathan Matthews being asked about the day #beckywatts disappeared

 

[Clio]

Darren Little Verified account  ‏@DarrenLittleSky · 2m2 minutes ago
NM planned to take her somewhere, get her out the case and tell her " you need to change the way you are with people" #beckywatts

Jon Kay Verified account  ‏@jonkay01 · 1m1 minute ago
Nathan Matthews says he'd been thinking about the plan for a couple of months because he believed Becky treated his mum "like dirt".

Darren Little Verified account  ‏@DarrenLittleSky · 1m1 minute ago
NM says #beckywatts talked to his mum "like dirt" and ordered her to do things

Jon Kay Verified account  ‏@jonkay01 · 37s38 seconds ago
NM says he planned to put Becky in a case, take her somewhere and tell her to change her behaviour.

 

[ColourPurple]

Clio do you want to share posting the tweets? Its going to be alot of work with 3 Tweeters posting now. Unless darren is taking over completely for Siobhan?

 

[Clio]

Also, I don't really find what they bought on the shopping trips that unexplainable or strange - if NM was responsible for the hoarding as he has said in court then he could have said to SH that he wanted to finally start cleaning things up properly and was serious about getting rid of the mess which to me would explain the rubble sacks, bleach, clingfilm, etc.

So why not just say that?

From NM written statement 4th March

"I did not tell her the real reason for buying them.

"I cannot remember if she asked why I was buying them but if she did I would have lied.

http://www.independent.ie/world-new...-to-scare-her-by-kidnapping-her-34131549.html

 

[YidArmyRach]

Darren Little Verified account  ‏@DarrenLittleSky · 2m2 minutes ago
NM planned to take her somewhere, get her out the case and tell her " you need to change the way you are with people" #beckywatts

Jon Kay Verified account  ‏@jonkay01 · 1m1 minute ago
Nathan Matthews says he'd been thinking about the plan for a couple of months because he believed Becky treated his mum "like dirt".

Darren Little Verified account  ‏@DarrenLittleSky · 1m1 minute ago
NM says #beckywatts talked to his mum "like dirt" and ordered her to do things

Jon Kay Verified account  ‏@jonkay01 · 37s38 seconds ago
NM says he planned to put Becky in a case, take her somewhere and tell her to change her behaviour.

Was he intending on still wearing that mask when he did this? And was he assuming that Becky wouldn't recognise his voice or his car - because there is no mention of Becky being blindfolded. If he was intending on talking to her about how she treated his mum, why would he need a mask when he was in her bedroom, and why did he panic when it slipped and revealed his identity, as she would soon enough discover it was him anyway? I'd have thought when she had heard SH and MN enter the house, she'd have immediately realised it was NM. Nobody else has said anything bad about Becky, so she would immediately have an idea as to who had a problem with her.

Story still doesn't make any sense. I still think he is covering up the real reason why Becky was attacked/killed.

As for his comments about the way she treated people, doesn't he realise he could be talking about himself if SH is telling the truth?

 

[mrazda71]

Please don't shoot me down but can we please try and only have 1 person posting tweets, we're having the same things posted by different members and for each one my phone buzzes I keep getting "ooh you're popular" comments

 

[Clio]

Clio do you want to share posting the tweets? Its going to be alot of work with 3 Tweeters posting now. Unless darren is taking over completely for Siobhan?

I think Darren has taken over. I'll back off as I need to go out later anyway. Thanks for picking it up.

 

[ColourPurple]

Was he planning on still having that mask on? And assuming that Becky wouldn't recognise his voice or his car Because there is no mention of Becky being blindfolded. So, why would he need a mask when he was in her bedroom, and why did he panic when it slipped and revealed her identity, as she would soon enough discover it was him anyway. I'd have thought when she had heard SH and MN enter the house, she'd have immediately realised it was NM.

Story still doesn't make any sense. I still think he is covering up the real reason why Becky was attacked/killed.

As for his comments about the way he treated people, doesn't he realise he could be talking about himself if SH is telling the truth?

I agree. He has his plan ready even though he has no way of knowing where she is in the house or if she's even in. She could have been sat in the lounge or out in the garden, lookin gout the window or jsut walking back from a friends. She could easily have seen the car, them, heard the little girl, heard them put Ceebies on...

 

[ColourPurple]

I think Darren has taken over. I'll back off as I need to go out later anyway. Thanks for picking it up.

No worries. I should be in till 5 to do them . Feel free to do tomorrow though lol

 

[ColourPurple]

Darren Little ‏@DarrenLittleSky 39s39 seconds ago
NM planned to tape up #beckywatts mouth and eyes and handcuff her.

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 1m1 minute ago
NM says he didn't tell SH of his plan, because 'she wouldn't have agreed with it' #beckywatts


ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 6m6 minutes ago
NM says he wanted the stun guns 'for my protection' #beckywatts

 

[ColourPurple]

OK, He knew SH wouldn't have agreed with his plan.. so he carried it ouy when she was with him?? Doesn't ring true

 

[Tortoise]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial · 2m2 minutes ago
In the car NM says 'I had a red suitcase, with a mask, the torch stun thing, hand cuffs'... 'I was going to scare Rebecca' #beckywatts

Darren Little Verified account  ‏@DarrenLittleSky · 2m2 minutes ago
NM says he had thought of "trying to scare Becky" for a few months, planned to "get her in the suitcase" then get her in the car #beckywatts

Jon Kay Verified account  ‏@jonkay01 · 1m1 minute ago
He says he took items inc mask, handcuffs and bag to Becky's house. He was planning to "scare" her.

this red case?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-jury-6640800

 

[cottonweaver]

Also, I don't really find what they bought on the shopping trips that unexplainable or strange - if NM was responsible for the hoarding as he has said in court then he could have said to SH that he wanted to finally start cleaning things up properly and was serious about getting rid of the mess which to me would explain the rubble sacks, bleach, clingfilm, etc.

I'm not sure about this regarding the clingfilm.
Whenever I have cleared out a loft, shed or such of junk I have never gone to buy 5(?) rolls of clingfilm.

 

[KatieLH]

So why not just say that?

From NM written statement 4th March

"I did not tell her the real reason for buying them.

"I cannot remember if she asked why I was buying them but if she did I would have lied.

http://www.independent.ie/world-new...-to-scare-her-by-kidnapping-her-34131549.html

Sorry, didn't see that quote!
In that case, I have no idea. I dunno about anyone else but I use up loads of bin bags in my house for regular clear outs and stuff - to me it would be the first thing I thought of when I heard someone had bought that much cleaning stuff. Another thing in this case that doesn't make sense! I feel like there are lots of aspects of this case and circumstantial evidence that could be easily explained away like this - but it's almost like they're doing their best to prove otherwise and complicate it?! Very strange.

 

[ColourPurple]

I'm not sure about this regarding the clingfilm.
Whenever I have cleared out a loft, shed or such of junk I have never gone to buy 5(?) rolls of clingfilm.

Yeah I agree that the clingfilms going to be the sticky point. Even if they did have some small bits and bobs to wrap up during their tidying, would they really have used 3 rolls and needed more the next day?

 

[ColourPurple]

Darren Little ‏@DarrenLittleSky 49s50 seconds ago
NM says as beckywatts opens her door he put the sellotape round her mouth, said "as long as you do what your told you're going to be fine"

Darren Little ‏@DarrenLittleSky 1m1 minute ago
NM says he got the suitcase out of his car, took it upstairs, put a mask on and had sellotape in his hands #beckywatts

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 1m1 minute ago
NM telling court about what happened on Feb 19 - when he knocked on her door #beckywatts

 

[KatieLH]

I'm not sure about this regarding the clingfilm.
Whenever I have cleared out a loft, shed or such of junk I have never gone to buy 5(?) rolls of clingfilm.

I see what you mean. I've used clingfilm quite a lot in moving stuff to keep small things together, or often to 'pad' things if I don't have anything else that will do the job, but 5 rolls is excessive!

 

[skibaboo]

this red case?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-jury-6640800

And this has been bugging me for a while, how did he think a live 16 year old Becky would fit in that suitcase? Is it even physically possible?