UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #3
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I haven't posted in years but this case made me come back as harrowing as it is..Sara I'm so sorry you were let down by the people ( if I can call them that) who were supposed to love you..protect you..my heart aches dear Sara. May now you rest in peace ...from those who inflicted so much to pain to you. I hope that all 3 get life..they all knew..how would you not?!!! No one just one day decides ..oh today I'm going to inflict terror and pain on a child.
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I have read of cases where parents have abused and beaten their children under the influence of drugs or alcohol, or mental illness. These three were in full possession of their mind and body—they are simply evil! They don't appear to even have an atom of remorse and are narcissistic beyond the very meaning of the word. So were these traits not seen as they were growing within their parental families?! Certainly Sharif was very abusive of Olga and this was known by friends and the police....his family in Pakistan must have seen this trait of his growing up?!
All IMOO...
I can't get my head around how all three of them got away with their horrific behaviour for so long!
All IMOO...
I can't get my head around how all three of them got away with their horrific behaviour for so long!
I agree in so far as in a lot of cases addiction is a factor but lots more where it is not ,also there is addiction that doesn't involve substance abuse . Addiction to actions .
I'm not shocked that such evil sadistic people exist in this world and regardless of their individual psychological profiles like you I can't comprehend two things firstly how they got away with it for so long ,2 years is a long period of time for no one to do a welfare check on Sara and secondly how their defence team allowed them all to plead not guilty when the book of evidence clearly implicates two of the three anyway .I sincerely pray justice is served and life without parole is the sentence as none of those sitting in the Dock deserve one minute of life without restriction.
I think when it's the defences turn I will have to not read the articles as I really don't want to have the extreme negative emotions that will come up for me listening to their vile excuses .Trying to save their own skin when they burnt Sara's to the point of nothingness. Why do defence lawyers even defend the inexcusable. What if they got them off to be released back into society and do that to another child . You must really have to emotionally defunct to switch off defending that trio of scum pardon the expression
Hazard of the job.
Defence lawyers do what they have to do.
Sometimes they help innocent people.
Not all charged are guilty.
Generally speaking, of course.
JMO
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I understand that completely Dotta . And I know miscarriage of justice can happen . I just can't help but feel neither of the defendants deserve any form of human right in this harrowing case ,Sara was afforded no humanity and no body came to her defense I feel really sad at the thought of her broken body ,spirit and mind . Cruelty that you wouldn't inflict on an rodent .
it's crimes like these where you question your faith in not only your chosen religious beliefs but in the services and institutions suppose to protect children .
I feel in todays society with everything so PC and everyone advocating kindness and postings such as be kind etc it's just words no action and its in our actions our kindness and caring is found not in empty words spouted from the tongue or posted for likes . No wonder young people are so susceptible to mental health issues as behind the feigned words of concern most people are only concerned with themselves and its become societies of ah sure once im alright jack nobody looking out for one another any more i can nearly guarantee most if not all whom turned a blind eye posted similar s -h -i -t -e over the course of the two years Sara suffered
I may be getting a little pessimistic in my old age lol and sorry for the vent guys I'm just sick to my stomach that another innocent child dead when they could have been saved
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If you want to change the world for better,
start with yourself.
And try to do a good deed every day.
Don't look at others.
We cannot change them.
But we can always change ourselves.
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Love this Dotta and a motto I try to live by myself
You'd think if they were 'clever' enough to hightail it out of the country then they would have disposed of the items used for torture and full of DNA evidence. I think they thought they go to Pakistan and never have to face trial. All moo.
I'm not sure
these individuals are really conscious of importance of DNA left on things.
Or the postmortem findings regarding each injury.
Which told the whole sad history of long-term abuse.
They seem to be so simple-minded that telling a naive story of
"unfortunate accident" / "falling down the stairs"/ "legally punishing naughty daughter" and accidentally killing her,
would be enough and believable.
Also,
they seemed to underestimate the determination of Surrey Police
that started "Operation Unison"
and used all kinds of diplomatic efforts with Pakistani authorities.
But they might become a warning.
Warning for other would-be abusers,
who naively think they can flee abroad and evade Justice.
JMO
these individuals are really conscious of importance of DNA left on things.
Or the postmortem findings regarding each injury.
Which told the whole sad history of long-term abuse.
They seem to be so simple-minded that telling a naive story of
"unfortunate accident" / "falling down the stairs"/ "legally punishing naughty daughter" and accidentally killing her,
would be enough and believable.
Also,
they seemed to underestimate the determination of Surrey Police
that started "Operation Unison"
and used all kinds of diplomatic efforts with Pakistani authorities.
But they might become a warning.
Warning for other would-be abusers,
who naively think they can flee abroad and evade Justice.
JMO
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interesting that,within the link you posted, it says ‘It is believed that Sara lived at this address’.
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There is some legal way in the UK for keeping criminals in the slammer forever and I hope that is used in this case. Somebody like @Nikynoo might be able to explain how that works.
I know some people are concerned and/or just plain angry in these kinds of cases that the criminals have a relatively comfortable life in prison with TV etc and that probably they are too evil to have remorse, so it's not really punishment. But it did occur to me that the fact that they will be unable to take out their rage or evil nature (or whatever led them to do these barbaric acts of violence) - missing out on doing that may feel like a huge privation to them, so a punishment. What are they going to do with their inner rage?? They won't be able to act it out at all and certainly not on little defenseless children. Maybe their rage will torture them internally? Oh, not enough to make them suffer like Sara did, but still enough to make them suffer at all.
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Would normal scissors be enough to cause this kind of injury?
In your example that would be a case of callous indifference combined with punishment in the moment. (Evil enough.) It's possible with these three sadists that this injury was deliberately done with some kind of small, short knife. JMO
Sorry I'm still catching up on this thread, so this might have been discussed already.
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To answer your question, there are no different classes of murder in England & Wales. Murder is murder is murder, and the mandatory sentence for anybody convicted of murder is imprisonment for life. Having passed that sentence the judge will then set a point at which the prisoner will become eligible to apply for parole. For the most serious cases of murder the judge can rule that the prisoner will never be eligible for parole. This is known as a Whole Life Tariff. Even if the judge sets a tariff of 30 years, for example, this just gives the prisoner the right to apply for parole after that point, not the right to receive it. The Parole Board will only release them if they are no longer deemed to be a danger to society. As a result some murderers who haven't been given Whole Life Tariffs will never actually be released from prison.
As to anybody who might be convicted in this case getting an easy life in prison, child abusers are not popular with the rest of the prison population. One of the tasks of the Prison Service is to try and stop this sort of thing from happening.
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Thank you for this easy-to-understand explanation. I didn't realise that Whole Life Sentence is actual terminology in England & Wales, sorry @RubyLee87
I seem to have trouble here on WS figuring out when people are venting and when they are actually unsure of the ability of a particular legal jurisdiction to make sure a particular criminal is never let out again!
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God, I remember that being in the news. When he was bailed to his parents' house he admitted what he'd done and they called the police to take him away and testified against him in court. I didn't know that had happened to him in prison. That's the sort of thing the torturers of Sara deserve to happen to them.To answer your question, there are no different classes of murder in England & Wales. Murder is murder is murder, and the mandatory sentence for anybody convicted of murder is imprisonment for life. Having passed that sentence the judge will then set a point at which the prisoner will become eligible to apply for parole. For the most serious cases of murder the judge can rule that the prisoner will never be eligible for parole. This is known as a Whole Life Tariff. Even if the judge sets a tariff of 30 years, for example, this just gives the prisoner the right to apply for parole after that point, not the right to receive it. The Parole Board will only release them if they are no longer deemed to be a danger to society. As a result some murderers who haven't been given Whole Life Tariffs will never actually be released from prison.
As to anybody who might be convicted in this case getting an easy life in prison, child abusers are not popular with the rest of the prison population. One of the tasks of the Prison Service is to try and stop this sort of thing from happening.
Richard Huckle: Paedophile killed in prison 'strangled and stabbed'
The sex offender, who abused as many as 200 children, was found dead in prison on Sunday.
This is really damning of "father":
"William Emlyn Jones KC, prosecuting,
today told a jury
Batool had sent a series of text messages to her sister detailing the abuse.
In May 2021,
Batool texted her sisters to claim Sara’s dad Urfan was 'angry' and that the little girl 'can’t walk' after being 'beaten black'.
The messages read:
'Urfan beat the crap out of Sara', 'she's covered in bruises, literally beaten black',
'I feel really sorry for Sara', 'poor girl can't walk'.
She also said
'I really want to report him',
but she never did.
The following summer,
Batool wrote to her sister:
'He beat Sara up yesterday and I can't send her to school looking like that'.
But she was more concerned with covering up what was happening,
jurors have been told.
The messages relate to a time
before Faisal Malik moved in to live with the family at a flat in West Byfleet,
Surrey, in December 2022."
I think the messages are true.
Why would she lie to her sister in private messages?
The injuries were so severe that only man's brutal force could inflict them.
It seems U. didn't know any parental methods of raising a child except brutal force.
It looks as if corporal punishment was his only method.
And it snowballed ending in tragedy.
(After all,
Olga Sharif - Sara's mother,
in Polish program Attention! said last year
that when she was married to U. he abused her.
He beat her, choked her with a belt, and even tried to set her on fire. In 2017, the couple divorced.)
Of course, IMO,
these messages might reveal the defence line of step"mother"
in which lawyers will want to put the entire blame for Sara's death on U.
JMO
Floral tributes around a police cordon outside the house in Woking
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"William Emlyn Jones KC, prosecuting,
today told a jury
Batool had sent a series of text messages to her sister detailing the abuse.
In May 2021,
Batool texted her sisters to claim Sara’s dad Urfan was 'angry' and that the little girl 'can’t walk' after being 'beaten black'.
The messages read:
'Urfan beat the crap out of Sara', 'she's covered in bruises, literally beaten black',
'I feel really sorry for Sara', 'poor girl can't walk'.
She also said
'I really want to report him',
but she never did.
The following summer,
Batool wrote to her sister:
'He beat Sara up yesterday and I can't send her to school looking like that'.
But she was more concerned with covering up what was happening,
jurors have been told.
The messages relate to a time
before Faisal Malik moved in to live with the family at a flat in West Byfleet,
Surrey, in December 2022."
I think the messages are true.
Why would she lie to her sister in private messages?
The injuries were so severe that only man's brutal force could inflict them.
It seems U. didn't know any parental methods of raising a child except brutal force.
It looks as if corporal punishment was his only method.
And it snowballed ending in tragedy.
(After all,
Olga Sharif - Sara's mother,
in Polish program Attention! said last year
that when she was married to U. he abused her.
He beat her, choked her with a belt, and even tried to set her on fire. In 2017, the couple divorced.)
Of course, IMO,
these messages might reveal the defence line of step"mother"
in which lawyers will want to put the entire blame for Sara's death on U.
JMO
Floral tributes around a police cordon outside the house in Woking
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The messages are a bit odd. They implicate the father - but also the step mum and even her sisters. As they are obviously all fully aware of the very serious physical abuse being inflicted on a very young child. And that they did absolutely nothing about it. Could also be step mum covering herself.
Of course.
But my point is
it was U, the "father",
who started all this.
Without HIS permission,
I doubt step"mother" would dare to put even a little finger on Sara,
who was NOT her child.
For me, U. seems to be the worst of the trio.
JMO
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