UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #3

[Dotta]

Dotta I really fear that the two men will get a very light sentence and escape real justice.

I doubt it.
We are at the beginning of the trial.
Don't believe "crocodile tears".
Dear Husband showed his true colours with Olga.
I believe poor Olga and her Polish family.

JMO

 

[CocktailQueen]

I think Urfan was just as bad as Beinash. Maybe worse. Just because he hadn’t been heard shouting doesn’t mean he wasn’t violent to his daughter or his other children. He might just have had to give them a hard stare and they could have been terrified of him.

 

[JennieM]

Sara Sharif’s neighbour had door slammed in face on confronting family over ‘constant screaming’, jury told

Court sketch of Sara Sharif’s father Urfan Sharif (right) uncle Faisal Malik (left), and stepmother Beinash Batool (centre), sitting with dock officers at the Old Bailey (Elizabeth Cook/PA) (PA Wire)

Sara Sharif’s neighbour spoke to family over ‘constant screaming’, jury told

Neighbours have told a jury at the Old Bailey of the noises they heard at the family home of Sara Sharif in Woking before her death

www.independent.co.uk

 

[seasideForest]

Thank you very much for looking into this . You are right we don't want our posts to grow legs . I had most probably read the same article you mention about the injury below belly button and presumed it was pelvic area.

I suppose when you look at the torture and abuse inflicted on Sara imo there doesn't appear to be any part of her person that wasn't injured and the bite was given to inflict pain and the placement of it didn't really matter to the perpetrator as long as it caused damage

On your first para: No problem, sometimes I want to check on what I've assumed and I did write a response to you that I hadn't backed up factually with quotes.

On your second para: Sadly it does seem as if the whole of Sara's body was injured, every square inch. But I still think that an adult biting a child is very strange. I once heard a parent saying when his toddler bit him, he bit back. That was his response to curb the behaviour, don't know if it worked. That was decades ago though. Otherwise I tend to think that biting is a kind of child-like behaviour, toddlers bite each other or parents, young sisters bite each other or their brothers instead of punching. IMO - only my impression, could be wrong. Whereas adults biting each other can certainly have a sexual component, as far as I've read anyway.

Your post was correct, there was a bite on Sara's INNER thigh and that's also where the bruising marks indicative of suction were. Further, the inner thighs are an erogenous zone in females (7 Most Erogenous Zones On a Woman) so that bite in itself could be termed sexual abuse. MOO. I don't know if it will be, but it could be. I'm a survivor of childhood sexual abuse due to touch on a body area that's not one of the top areas you think of... and know that it's not always taken seriously or not as serious as more usual forms by courts, doctors, sadly even therapists and psychologists, in general I mean. I've never been to court with mine and won't be doing so, but it's something I notice when reading about court cases.

It can of course be argued that the presumed thigh bite was 'just' a physical injury, nothing else. Tho having an adult human head in between a child's thighs for any reason other than looking at an injury or similar, especially with their mouth up close there instead of their eyes, comes across as very, very strange to me. MOO JMO

Poor Sara. Safe and pain-free now, but at the very least two years of ongoing pain before she died far too young.

 

[seasideForest]

I am new to this case. Why did she live with the dad? Where was the mom?

Have a look at Thread #1 for answer to that and other basic information.

 

[VioletLilac]

Hi Dotta , I'm beginning to fear the blame will be put on the step mother solely . From the evidence so far it only seems to be that the screaming and violence happened when batool was alone at home .

I certainly don't believe batool is anything but a guilty party .I just hope she is not scapegoated and the two males escape justice because in my mind I don't think batool carried the violence out alone . No one seems to be fingerpointing the father in court evidence so far .

Do you or does anyone else think the step mother acted Alone ?

No, I don't think she acted alone. I believe what Beinash wrote in the texts about Urfan beating Sara so she couldn't walk and I believe what Olga says about his violence and strangling her.
I don't know about the uncle. I guess if the police believed the uncle knew nothing about the violence he wouldn't be on trial with them. It might end up being similar to the Logan Mwangi trial where all three get found guilty of murder even though they didn't know who inflicted which wounds.
The uncle may get a shorter sentence if they believe he knew about it but didn't inflict any of it.

 

[Dotta]

"Another neighbour,
Chloe R.,
lived near the Sharifs in West Byfleet
for almost two-and-a-half years.

She said the only time it was quiet
was when they were away on holiday."

Sara Sharif: Neighbour had door shut in face, jury told - BBC News

A neighbour of Sara Sharif tells a court noises from within the family home reached "fever pitch".

www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[iamshadow21]

On your first para: No problem, sometimes I want to check on what I've assumed and I did write a response to you that I hadn't backed up factually with quotes.

On your second para: Sadly it does seem as if the whole of Sara's body was injured, every square inch. But I still think that an adult biting a child is very strange. I once heard a parent saying when his toddler bit him, he bit back. That was his response to curb the behaviour, don't know if it worked. That was decades ago though. Otherwise I tend to think that biting is a kind of child-like behaviour, toddlers bite each other or parents, young sisters bite each other or their brothers instead of punching. IMO - only my impression, could be wrong. Whereas adults biting each other can certainly have a sexual component, as far as I've read anyway.

Your post was correct, there was a bite on Sara's INNER thigh and that's also where the bruising marks indicative of suction were. Further, the inner thighs are an erogenous zone in females (7 Most Erogenous Zones On a Woman) so that bite in itself could be termed sexual abuse. MOO. I don't know if it will be, but it could be. I'm a survivor of childhood sexual abuse due to touch on a body area that's not one of the top areas you think of... and know that it's not always taken seriously or not as serious as more usual forms by courts, doctors, sadly even therapists and psychologists, in general I mean. I've never been to court with mine and won't be doing so, but it's something I notice when reading about court cases.

It can of course be argued that the presumed thigh bite was 'just' a physical injury, nothing else. Tho having an adult human head in between a child's thighs for any reason other than looking at an injury or similar, especially with their mouth up close there instead of their eyes, comes across as very, very strange to me. MOO JMO

Poor Sara. Safe and pain-free now, but at the very least two years of ongoing pain before she died far too young.

I've seen biting by adults in extreme cases of child abuse at least half a dozen or more times here since I joined Websleuths two years ago. The death of Corey Micciolo was the most recent to come to trial.

Depending on what comes out in evidence, the Katz twins case may involve bite injuries. I suspect it will, but MOO.

 

[seasideForest]

I've seen biting by adults in extreme cases of child abuse at least half a dozen or more times here since I joined Websleuths two years ago. The death of Corey Micciolo was the most recent to come to trial.

rsbmff
I didn't mean to deny that adult biting of children happens, in case that's how my post came across.

More that it doesn't seem 'normal' to me. Even in a society where milder forms of corporal punishment are allowed (not saying I agree with that), slapping a child's fingers or arm could be considered normal, biting wouldn't be. Whereas toddlers and small children bite and scratch each other until taught not to, it's 'normal' for their age group. So an adult doing it seems strange as in abnormal rather than strange as in unbelievable. Sorry, I didn't even think about the possibility of somebody misunderstanding that since Su5ie and I were writing about the possibility of sexual abuse in this case, which is quite heavy enough and hard-going for me w/o thinking and writing about other aspects in that same post.

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

rsbmff
I didn't mean to deny that adult biting of children happens, in case that's how my post came across.

More that it doesn't seem 'normal' to me. Even in a society where milder forms of corporal punishment are allowed (not saying I agree with that), slapping a child's fingers or arm could be considered normal, biting wouldn't be. Whereas toddlers and small children bite and scratch each other until taught not to, it's 'normal' for their age group. So an adult doing it seems strange as in abnormal rather than strange as in unbelievable. Sorry, I didn't even think about the possibility of somebody misunderstanding that since Su5ie and I were writing about the possibility of sexual abuse in this case, which is quite heavy enough and hard-going for me w/o thinking and writing about other aspects in that same post.

MOO

It's not normal, it's an act of extreme sadism.

You see it a lot in sexually motivated homicide of children and adults, too.

But it isn't always combined with more conventional sexual abuse. It can be a feature of physical abuse and neglect cases, along with starvation, severe beating, cigarette burns and scalding, imprisonment. So you can see how that parallels with Sara's case.

But the positioning of this bite gives me pause. The only way for it to get there that I can see is for her to have been supine, with her legs spread, and her skin bare.

MOO

 

[seasideForest]

It's not normal, it's an act of extreme sadism.

You see it a lot in sexually motivated homicide of children and adults, too.

But it isn't always combined with more conventional sexual abuse. It can be a feature of physical abuse and neglect cases, along with starvation, severe beating, cigarette burns and scalding, imprisonment. So you can see how that parallels with Sara's case.

But the positioning of this bite gives me pause. The only way for it to get there that I can see is for her to have been supine, with her legs spread, and her skin bare.

MOO

iamshadow, we're on the same page about this!

I can't even think as far as you are writing due to self-protection from trauma-triggering, that's all. It's good though imo that somebody - you - have finally written it out so people can know. @su5ie wondered, so here's a more blatant response from you, one I couldn't write, especially your final para. I agree with it now that it's written, but that's where I couldn't go further with thoughts, not further than what I wrote about head between thighs.

 

[seasideForest]

I hope it's OK to post this.
I found the Muslim Women Network UK which works to "improve the social justice and equality for Muslim women and girls". They have a Say Her Name page for women and girls from racialised minority communities who've been murdered in the UK. Sara is on that page.

Muslim Women Network

Muslim Women Network

www.mwnuk.co.uk

They also have a 'culturally sensitive' helpline which women and girls from these communities who are in danger/at risk can phone. Men who are worried about these women or girls are also encouraged to phone in, as well as men/boys being forced into arranged marriages. They don't say so, but I take from this that if somebody hears a brutal case like this going on next door and are frightened of going to social services for whatever reason, they could phone here instead. If in the UK of course, not other countries.
MOO

Could maybe save another child from Sara's fate. MOO

 

[elliefant]

I am new to this case. Why did she live with the dad? Where was the mom?

The mother lost custody of the son and of Sara - we have not been told why officially. She has returned to her native Poland.

 

[Dotta]

The mother lost custody of the son and of Sara - we have not been told why officially. She has returned to her native Poland.

Where is the info Olga left the UK?

Where is the link?

 

[VioletLilac]

I remember in the Sherri Rasmussen murder by police officer Stephanie Lazarus, she bit the victim and they used the bite mark to help convict her years later. In that case the motive was jealousy, as Sherri was with Stephanie's ex. This was a bite mark on the arm though. Between the legs is very odd

Murder of Sherri Rasmussen - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Dotta]

I noticed that Surrey Live has more details.

From yesterday:

"On one occasion,
Rebecca said she entered the flat after noticing dampness on her walls.
She consulted Sharif about it,
and he invited her in to check the state of their council-owned family home.

She described the room,
believed to be for the children
as a box room with just two metal bunk beds.

When asked by prosecution lawyer Mr Emlyn Jones KC if there were any toys,
Rebecca replied:

'Nothing else,
I couldn’t see any toys [in the bedroom]'."

PS
No coverage today.
Restrictions again it seems.

Sara Sharif neighbour tells court of 'nightmare' family next door

The neighbour described her observations during the time the family lived in the flat below

www-getsurrey-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[su5ie]

On your first para: No problem, sometimes I want to check on what I've assumed and I did write a response to you that I hadn't backed up factually with quotes.

On your second para: Sadly it does seem as if the whole of Sara's body was injured, every square inch. But I still think that an adult biting a child is very strange. I once heard a parent saying when his toddler bit him, he bit back. That was his response to curb the behaviour, don't know if it worked. That was decades ago though. Otherwise I tend to think that biting is a kind of child-like behaviour, toddlers bite each other or parents, young sisters bite each other or their brothers instead of punching. IMO - only my impression, could be wrong. Whereas adults biting each other can certainly have a sexual component, as far as I've read anyway.

Your post was correct, there was a bite on Sara's INNER thigh and that's also where the bruising marks indicative of suction were. Further, the inner thighs are an erogenous zone in females (7 Most Erogenous Zones On a Woman) so that bite in itself could be termed sexual abuse. MOO. I don't know if it will be, but it could be. I'm a survivor of childhood sexual abuse due to touch on a body area that's not one of the top areas you think of... and know that it's not always taken seriously or not as serious as more usual forms by courts, doctors, sadly even therapists and psychologists, in general I mean. I've never been to court with mine and won't be doing so, but it's something I notice when reading about court cases.

It can of course be argued that the presumed thigh bite was 'just' a physical injury, nothing else. Tho having an adult human head in between a child's thighs for any reason other than looking at an injury or similar, especially with their mouth up close there instead of their eyes, comes across as very, very strange to me. MOO JMO

Poor Sara. Safe and pain-free now, but at the very least two years of ongoing pain before she died far too young.

Thank you for your honesty and in the sharing of your history . All children/adult survivors should be believed and be given the safe space to talk about it without prejudice. I sincerely hope your life has been since and is now filled with unconditional love and the security you deserve .
I feel the inner thigh is a private space and it is rarely touched by others without permission by hand let alone by mouth by either genders . I feel the injury was highlighted by the media and LE reports as it is quite an unusual positioning of a bite without sexual abuse
From experience an abusive ex of mine would pinch and squeeze the skin of the centre of my inner thigh ( not in a sexual manner ) which is extremely painful in order to get me to tow the line .
So prehaps in hindsight im thinking whoever inflicted this injury on Sara knew it would cause more pain here than say a bite on the arm

 

[VioletLilac]

It has to be Beinash that did the bite mark I'd think. If it was say, a sibling, Beinash would have let the police check out her bite mark.

 

[Dotta]

It has to be Beinash that did the bite mark I'd think. If it was say, a sibling, Beinash would have let the police check out her bite mark.

I would also add:
- an iron
- a rolling pin
- scalding

JMO of course

 

[Alyce]

This is a very useful article for anyone who hasnt followed this case from the beginning.



Sara's Polish uncle revealed how Sharif was a gambler and claimed he is prone to violence - with police often called to the family home in Woking, Surrey, when Sara lived with her real mum Olga.

He even claimed how former taxi driver Sharif even chillingly once told Olga during a custody battle after they divorced over their two children to 'stop complaining or she would be found dead somewhere'.

'At the beginning Urfan was very charming but he was an actor, he deceived us all. Urfan was a gambler, he was addicted. He used to borrow money for gambling machines.

'His behaviour led to conflict and then physical and psychological violence. Police were called many times. There was an incident when Urfan locked Olga and the kids in a room with no food or water for many hours. Olga called us asking for help but Urfan heard the conversation, took the phone away and beat Olga.



more at the link ..............

Polish uncle of Sara Sharif urges police to 'catch her scumbag killer'

It has emerged that the family of murdered schoolgirl Sara Sharif in Woking were known to police. Reports say contact had gone back 'some time'.

www.dailymail.co.uk