UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #3

[Sooty]

There is no inference as far as I can tell that Sara's brother is in anyway being blamed for the long term physical abuse of Sara. Something 'happened' on the 8th of August and, according to Sharif, Batool told him Sara's brother was responsible for that 'incident' and would go to prison for it if they remained in the UK. So what did Batool say happened I wonder?

Sara Sharif's father claims his wife is the 'true villain'

Naeem Mian, KC, defending Sara's father Urfan Sharif said he had been wrongly cast as the 'villain of the piece' when his second wife Beinash Batool, 30, was responsible.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Snipped from link above:

Mr Mian, KC, defending, told jurors that Sharif believed Sara's injuries were sustained in fights with other children.



Not specifically the brother but ‘children’

 

[FlamingLily]

Father begged to save Sara Sharif but was told ‘Leave it, she’s dead’ – court

Urfan Sharif is on trial at the Old Bailey accused of murdering the 10-year-old, along with her stepmother, Beinash Batool, and uncle Faisal Malik.

www.whitchurchherald.co.uk

Snipped from link above:

Jurors heard that Sara went to live with her father after he had an acrimonious split from her biological mother, Olga.

During the resulting custody battle allegations “flew around” on both sides, the court was told.

Sharif said he had met his ex-wife online in 2009 and they broke up around 2014.

He alleged that his former wife had “bitten” another child and “abused” Sara during and after their marriage.
(BBM)

Of allegations she levelled at him, he said: “She did accuse me of having an affair with Beinash. She accused me of being controlling. She made accusations of domestic violence and child abuse.

“I was arrested once. When I was arrested I took off my shirt and showed them, actually it was me that was abused by her. Olga admits she was violent towards me.”
(BBM)


*Two wives that, allegedly, bit children and abused them ….
*Two wives that, allegedly, abused him with violence
*Two wives that made accusations of DV, coercive control and child abuse

I wonder if jurors will see U's inconsistency in happily calling out his wife Olga to authorities for whatever marks were under his shirt but suddenly a gentleman in "confessing to protect his wife" Beinash when there was a dead body. Also insisting on staying with B after the lemon squeezer incident out of duty for kids but happily leaving Olga and kids earlier?
Also, how does theft of £1700 from an international franchise get swept under the carpet so quickly. Aren't ppl behind bars for shoplifting far less? JMO

 

[FlamingLily]

Awww...poor U was hit by a wooden lemon squeezer?!!! Did that hurt you, U? A big man like you???!! [needless to say - I am being very very very sarcastic]

But a cricket bat (that has his DNA) on a little child and the huge catalogue of injuries that led to little Sara's death - oh, that was just an incident!!!!!

Seriously!!!
I hope the jury are making this comparison!

JMO

Just googled wooden lemon squeezer as it's a bit before my time. Thing's bloody tiny. ESPECIALLY compared to a cricket bat

 

[Dotta]

Just googled wooden lemon squeezer as it's a bit before my time. Thing's bloody tiny. ESPECIALLY compared to a cricket bat

I don't believe a SINGLE word this individual has ever uttered.
Sorry, but it is MO.
I see him as a fantasist.
A sick person.
Very sick.
Will his sob story
about being attacked by women in his life
continue tomorrow?
Aaaargh!

Prosecution,
Please, do your Duty!

JMO

 

[Sooty]

https://media.johnlewiscontent.com/i/JohnLewis/241138858?fmt=auto&wid=640&hei=853

Lemon squeezer.

But, for the record, I do not condone anyone hitting anyone with anything.

 

[porkypies]

Snipped from link:
....Mr Sharif claimed that in 2016, Ms Batool had hit him on the head with a wooden lemon squeezer when he first wanted to leave and on another occasion attacked him with a broom.

Sara Sharif: Father says girl's stepmother was ‘true villain’, court hears

A father accused of killing Sara Sharif attempted CPR on his daughter, the Old Bailey has heard.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[porkypies]

He wanted to leave but did not, because he was hit on the head with a wooden lemon squeezer and later attacked with a broom?
He wanted an ambulance to be called for Sara but did not do so himself.
Defence???

 

[PoirotPink]

Just my own imagination following on from todays report:

In a household with 3 adults and 6 children of various ages I am imagining a conversation whereby, upon discovery that one of the children is severely injured and dying, one of the adults (SM) communicates to another adult (Father) that it is in fact the oldest child who is responsible for the injured child’s situation.

Conversations follow, solutions are sought. But no questions are asked.

It is suggested that, when the inevitable happens and the child dies, the best plan is that they should flee to Pakistan to protect the oldest child from the law. SM tells lies - that she has observed this oldest child apparently brutally fighting with the dying child for months. This is news to the Father. He is in shock. He has never seen any injuries on the child - no bruises, no bites, no signs of pain, no soiled clothing, no blood on the floor, no bats or belts or ropes. The dying child has never asked for help, never seen in distress. It is a complete surprise to Father that this ‘incident’ has happened in this small, crowded environment full of people.

The oldest child does not say anything in their own defence.
Does not say ‘It wasn’t me Dada - it was Uncle or SM. It was X or Y or Z. I will not take the blame for killing someone. I will not stand accused like this’

Do they not protest? Offer an alternative version of events?

The father, or any of the other adults, does not appear to question the oldest child about what happened to cause this situation. No How. No Why. No questions are asked at all. Father just believes the SM version. He does not love her sometimes. She has attacked him before so he knows her to be capable of violence but still he believes everything she says. He does not think ‘this cannot be so’. It is so. They must just leave - all of them.

The child dies. The family leave the body in bed overnight and book one-way flights to Pakistan. They pack up their lives and run away from their smart home, their jobs and education. The father leaves a note confessing to killing the child. ‘I beat her up too much’ ‘she was naughty’. He does this to protect the child who he believes is responsible. After a long flight, he calls 999 to report the death and confesses once again, despite still not having questioned who is responsible for the death of his child. He just believes the SM version of events when everyone in that household lived their lives surrounded and observed by each other.

Of course. SMH

JMOO

I get a strange vibe about Batool. I have the feeling that the family she grew up in has a toxic family dynamic. Her father cutting her off because she married Urfan is outwardly toxic behaviour. Even when parents disagree and discourage the choice of life partner, a healthy parent will put aside those differences when that choice becomes inveitable in order to support the child. Her vulgar language (especially towards children) didn't emerge overnight and it suggests something about her inability to regulate her emotions, at a mimimum.

Some people who've grown up in toxic households learn to become extremely manipulative to navigate that environment. It's like honing a skill. They triangulate, play the victim, create distrust between people so that they become everyone's confidante and control who says what to whom, all under the guise of helping to smooth out disagreements that they in fact created and don't actually want to resolve.

In the version of events that was outlined in your post, the eldest son might well have protested his innocence but was not believed. You can't view a toxic household (where a child was beaten to death and had been torutured many times before) through any sort of normal lens of people talking and listening to each other and coming to rational decisions and conclusions. It isn't unheard of for a child to be falsely accused and blamed for something they didn't do. When that accuser is an adult, what skills does a child have to defend against it? And that's without any regard for the extreme shock and distress of your sister dying, with events unfolding at the same time.

I somehow find this story more credible than the confessions, which have Batool's influence all over them, matching the language of the text messages she'd been sending to her sister over many years.

There are few certainties in this case when it comes to the injuries. But we do know the bite marks are likely to be Batool's. Two separate occasions when biting injuries were inflicted. And you have to consider that whilst she was doing this, she was covering her own back with "oh I feel so sorry for Sara" messages, like Sara was just some acquaintance she'd heard about and not a child under her care. Some people have discounted this because they believe Batool lacks intelligence, however, you don't need to be particularly smart to be manipulative, especially if you've been honing those skills since childhood.

Also, I was thinking a 40 year old man with Urfan's build would not need to use weapons to inflict serious injuries on a 10 year old girl, whereas, someone of Batool's build, might.

JMO

 

[PoirotPink]

Mr Sharif claimed that in 2016, Ms Batool had hit him on the head with a wooden lemon squeezer when he first wanted to leave and on another occasion attacked him with a broom.

On reading the messages between Batool and her sister, it did seem that Urfan was the one who'd instigated the separation. He walked out with money and his passport, leaving her "too stressed" to talk.

 

[Dotta]

I get a strange vibe about Batool. I have the feeling that the family she grew up in has a toxic family dynamic. Her father cutting her off because she married Urfan is outwardly toxic behaviour. Even when parents disagree and discourage the choice of life partner, a healthy parent will put aside those differences when that choice becomes inveitable in order to support the child. Her vulgar language (especially towards children) didn't emerge overnight and it suggests something about her inability to regulate her emotions, at a mimimum.

Some people who've grown up in toxic households learn to become extremely manipulative to navigate that environment. It's like honing a skill. They triangulate, play the victim, create distrust between people so that they become everyone's confidante and control who says what to whom, all under the guise of helping to smooth out disagreements that they in fact created and don't actually want to resolve.

In the version of events that was outlined in your post, the eldest son might well have protested his innocence but was not believed. You can't view a toxic household (where a child was beaten to death and had been torutured many times before) through any sort of normal lens of people talking and listening to each other and coming to rational decisions and conclusions. It isn't unheard of for a child to be falsely accused and blamed for something they didn't do. When that accuser is an adult, what skills does a child have to defend against it? And that's without any regard for the extreme shock and distress of your sister dying, with events unfolding at the same time.

I somehow find this story more credible than the confessions, which have Batool's influence all over them, matching the language of the text messages she'd been sending to her sister over many years.

There are few certainties in this case when it comes to the injuries. But we do know the bite marks are likely to be Batool's. Two separate occasions when biting injuries were inflicted. And you have to consider that whilst she was doing this, she was covering her own back with "oh I feel so sorry for Sara" messages, like Sara was just some acquaintance she'd heard about and not a child under her care. Some people have discounted this because they believe Batool lacks intelligence, however, you don't need to be particularly smart to be manipulative, especially if you've been honing those skills since childhood.

Also, I was thinking a 40 year old man with Urfan's build would not need to use weapons to inflict serious injuries on a 10 year old girl, whereas, someone of Batool's build, might.

JMO

There were NO
B's DNA traces on the weapons.

Only U's and Uncle's.

 

[PoirotPink]

There were NO
B's DNA traces on the weapons.

Only U's and Uncle's.

But what does that prove? That they used those objects as weapons or that they used or handled those objects?

 

[Dotta]

But what does that prove? That they used those objects as weapons or that they used or handled those objects?

You alleged that B used the weapons to beat Sara in your post.

 

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[PKFS]

From my understanding...

Sharif is accusing Batool of murdering Sara
Batool is accusing Sharif of murdering Sara
Who does Malik say murdered Sara?! Is he pleading ignorance?! He was a University student, but in August, Universities are closed. He was at home most days...
Is there two fingers pointing at one person?

For people who are accusing each other, they were travelling quite amicably from Heathrow and on the flight back. There was no animosity there. They must know that by trying to cast the doubt on each other, they are making it very hard for the law as a whole to conclusively prove who is guilty, therefore hoping for a lighter sentence perhaps?

When they were in hiding in Pakistan, they must have sought legal advice as to best way to come out of this relatively unscathed. They had enough time to plan how they would address this head on.

They are very cunning and calculated.I wouldn't be surprised that they have a strategy here...
JMOO

 

[Kittypoo]

On reading the messages between Batool and her sister, it did seem that Urfan was the one who'd instigated the separation. He walked out with money and his passport, leaving her "too stressed" to talk.

I don’t believe a word of the text messages to sister. Just a confirmation of Bs manipulation
Jmo

 

[Kittypoo]

You alleged that B used the weapons to beat Sara in your post.

Her teeth which she refused dental impressions of and an iron which she could allege had prints from her ironing with it?
IMO

 

[Pinkestpanther]

Batool could have easily used weapons to beat Sara. Gloves? Wiping them clean? Using objects she knew were handled by Sharif and the uncle? Cunning yes...but perhaps she is that cunning.

Maybe she didn't...but she could have.

 

[FlamingLily]

I get a strange vibe about Batool. I have the feeling that the family she grew up in has a toxic family dynamic. Her father cutting her off because she married Urfan is outwardly toxic behaviour. Even when parents disagree and discourage the choice of life partner, a healthy parent will put aside those differences when that choice becomes inveitable in order to support the child. Her vulgar language (especially towards children) didn't emerge overnight and it suggests something about her inability to regulate her emotions, at a mimimum.

Some people who've grown up in toxic households learn to become extremely manipulative to navigate that environment. It's like honing a skill. They triangulate, play the victim, create distrust between people so that they become everyone's confidante and control who says what to whom, all under the guise of helping to smooth out disagreements that they in fact created and don't actually want to resolve.

In the version of events that was outlined in your post, the eldest son might well have protested his innocence but was not believed. You can't view a toxic household (where a child was beaten to death and had been torutured many times before) through any sort of normal lens of people talking and listening to each other and coming to rational decisions and conclusions. It isn't unheard of for a child to be falsely accused and blamed for something they didn't do. When that accuser is an adult, what skills does a child have to defend against it? And that's without any regard for the extreme shock and distress of your sister dying, with events unfolding at the same time.

I somehow find this story more credible than the confessions, which have Batool's influence all over them, matching the language of the text messages she'd been sending to her sister over many years.

There are few certainties in this case when it comes to the injuries. But we do know the bite marks are likely to be Batool's. Two separate occasions when biting injuries were inflicted. And you have to consider that whilst she was doing this, she was covering her own back with "oh I feel so sorry for Sara" messages, like Sara was just some acquaintance she'd heard about and not a child under her care. Some people have discounted this because they believe Batool lacks intelligence, however, you don't need to be particularly smart to be manipulative, especially if you've been honing those skills since childhood.

Also, I was thinking a 40 year old man with Urfan's build would not need to use weapons to inflict serious injuries on a 10 year old girl, whereas, someone of Batool's build, might.

JMO

PoirotPink spot on IMO. The end of your second para: Perpetuating chaos while seen to be helping it. Like a Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy of the Emotions. Extreme emotional dysregulation developed to survive an unsupportive parent (or parents plural). Which notoriously results in picking a "real winner" of a partner like Urfan. One feels she is numbed by her own experiences to the suffering of Sara.

 

[Dotta]

I don't think the whole truth will ever be known.
It was a toxic and mad household with all adults up to this to their eyeballs IMO.

At least,
the trio have separate Defence barristers,
and it gives hope the defendants attack one another
thus giving ammunition to Prosecution to sink all of them.

JMO

 

[Tortoise]

During Ms Redwin’s evidence, Urfan Sharif was given a warning by the judge after he left the court without asking for permission. ………. Cont.
(BBM)

RSBM

How does a murder accused in custody go anywhere in that court building without custody officers (and handcuffs) when he is not giving evidence, in the dock, or in a holding cell?

What on earth...?