UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #3

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Her teeth which she refused dental impressions of and an iron which she could allege had prints from her ironing with it?
IMO

Sure.
But the post was about heavy objects used to beat Sara.
(cricket bat, metal pole, belt)

Not an iron, not bites.

I was answering a SPECIFIC post.
And there were NO B's DNA traces on them.

This is a fact
reported in MSM in links I provided in this thread.

But there was DNA of U and Uncle.


Oh, a new sketch from BBC.
U giving evidence.
Mind a box of tissues.


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The defences so far have been predictable IMO, both blaming each other. I'm curious as to whether we will hear anything interesting/truthful from the uncle's defence barrister, or if its going to be a case of I wasn't there often, I know nothing.
 
  • #723
Urfan admitted to the murder previously. I find it extremely hard to believe he'd be willing to be imprisoned as a child killer to cover for Batool if she was the killer. Extremely hard.
 
  • #724
Sure.
But the post was about heavy objects used to beat Sara.
(cricket bat, metal pole, belt)

Not an iron, not bites.

I was answering a SPECIFIC post.
And there were NO B's DNA traces on them.

This is a fact
reported in MSM in links I provided in this thread.

But there was DNA of U and Uncle.


Oh, a new sketch from BBC.
U giving evidence.
Mind a box of tissues.


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I’m not disagreeing with anything you’ve posted just feel from all the evidence B is equally if not the more culpable from following this case on tv and here on WS.
MOO
 
  • #725
"Here is a timeline of events,
according to
her father Urfan Sharif, 42.


Sara Sharif

at the centre of acrimonious custody battles."


 
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What a depressing saga of abuse and accusations. So Sara accused Olga of abuse. That explains how Olga lost custody, I suppose.

Terrible life for a little girl :(

Re Olga

She said in Polish MSM
that she spanked Sara after a "bum showing to boys" incident
and then the girl complained to father.
The link is in Thread 1.

Nothing else is known about other "abuse" by Olga.
Not to me, anyway.

JMO

ETA
I found it in Polish MSM:

" 'A child showed her butt to 15-year-old boys.
She got a slap.
Then she told her daddy that her mommy slapped her and they automatically called social services' -
recalls Ms. Olga.

The court then ordered the children to live with their father.

- 'I was supposed to have visitation and normal rights to the children' -
says Sara's mother.

'At first,
the contact was normal.
I would go to the children and they would always wait for me.

Finally,
their stepmother wrote that I should not come because the children did not want to see me.

It is not normal that one day the children were happy and snatched the phone to see who would talk to their mother,
and suddenly the children did not want to talk to me on the phone and called me the worst names' -
emphasizes the woman.

Ms. Olga contacted social services to ask for support.

- 'They said the children don't want to see me and there's nothing they can do about it.
And that all I can do is wait' - she recalls.

- 'We all suspect that the children were manipulated by their father.
Ola was terribly depressed then,
she even wanted to commit suicide.
It was terrible for all of us' -
recalls Sara's grandmother."


Here is the link from Poland

 
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Terrible life for a little girl :(

Re Olga

She said in Polish MSM
that she spanked Sara after a "bum showing to boys" incident
and then the girl complained to father.
The link is in Thread 1.

Nothing else is known about other "abuse" by Olga.
Not to me, anyway.

JMO
Oh yes, I remember that. Impossible to tell just what went on, why Sara would complain to her father of all people, how seriously she complained in the first instance or whether she would really have preferred to live with him and BB.
ETA Just seen the passage you have added, it sounds all too possible that she was being manipulated.
 
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Giving evidence on Wednesday, Sharif said: “Everything happened at home while I was at work.

……
Sharif told jurors that Batool was “very, very crazy”, pointing to video evidence she had abused him and forced him to jump out of a window to escape.

……
Sharif became emotional as he told jurors: “I used to jump through the kitchen window as she would lock the front door.

“Most of the time when she was angry I jumped through the living room window.”

…..

He added that she was “very, very crazy”, did not “care about anything at all”, and her family told him “someone has done black magic on her”.
 
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Giving evidence on Wednesday, Sharif said: “Everything happened at home while I was at work.

……
Sharif told jurors that Batool was “very, very crazy”, pointing to video evidence she had abused him and forced him to jump out of a window to escape.

……
Sharif became emotional as he told jurors: “I used to jump through the kitchen window as she would lock the front door.

“Most of the time when she was angry I jumped through the living room window.”

…..

He added that she was “very, very crazy”, did not “care about anything at all”, and her family told him “someone has done black magic on her”.

All the hell broke loose!

No holds barred!

I bet
everyone is sitting there
with mouths open.

"Black magic" heh?

:rolleyes:

JMO
 
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All the hell broke loose!

No holds barred!

I bet
everyone is sitting there
with mouths open.

:rolleyes:

JMO
No honour among adults who all had the opportunity to intervene and stop this, whatever they actually physically did to Sara.

It's every one for themselves.

MOO
 
  • #734
Terrible life for a little girl :(

Re Olga

She said in Polish MSM
that she spanked Sara after a "bum showing to boys" incident
and then the girl complained to father.
The link is in Thread 1.

Nothing else is known about other "abuse" by Olga.
Not to me, anyway.

JMO

ETA
I found it in Polish MSM:

" 'A child showed her butt to 15-year-old boys.
She got a slap.
Then she told her daddy that her mommy slapped her and they automatically called social services' -
recalls Ms. Olga.

The court then ordered the children to live with their father.

- 'I was supposed to have visitation and normal rights to the children' -
says Sara's mother.

'At first,
the contact was normal.
I would go to the children and they would always wait for me.

Finally,
their stepmother wrote that I should not come because the children did not want to see me.

It is not normal that one day the children were happy and snatched the phone to see who would talk to their mother,
and suddenly the children did not want to talk to me on the phone and called me the worst names' -
emphasizes the woman.

Ms. Olga contacted social services to ask for support.

- 'They said the children don't want to see me and there's nothing they can do about it.
And that all I can do is wait' - she recalls.

- 'We all suspect that the children were manipulated by their father.
Ola was terribly depressed then,
she even wanted to commit suicide.
It was terrible for all of us' -
recalls Sara's grandmother."


Here is the link from Poland

Does it mean one smack? In the US they seem to use spank even if it's only one smack, whereas in England it would be several. One smack isn't actually illegal in England. Just wondering why Sara would have been removed from Olga.
 
  • #735
No honour among adults who all had the opportunity to intervene and stop this, whatever they actually physically did to Sara.

It's every one for themselves.

MOO

Is Prosecution even needed there I wonder?
Phew!

The defendants and their Defence are relieving Prosecutors all right.

I hoped for this but...WOW!

This is exceeding my wildest expectations :oops:

JMO
 
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Does it mean one smack? In the US they seem to use spank even if it's only one smack, whereas in England it would be several. One smack isn't actually illegal in England. Just wondering why Sara would have been removed from Olga.

I have NO idea.

Olga is NOT on trial.
She is a victim in my book.

No further comments.

JMO
 
  • #737
All the hell broke loose!

No holds barred!

I bet
everyone is sitting there
with mouths open.

"Black magic" heh?

:rolleyes:

JMO
It's just occurred to me that it isn't just the prosecution that get to cross-examine the defence witnesses, but the other defence barristers as well. Hopefully, by the end of everyone cross-examining everybody else, none of them have a shread of credibility left.
 
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Giving evidence on Wednesday, Sharif said: “Everything happened at home while I was at work.

……
Sharif told jurors that Batool was “very, very crazy”, pointing to video evidence she had abused him and forced him to jump out of a window to escape.

……
Sharif became emotional as he told jurors: “I used to jump through the kitchen window as she would lock the front door.

“Most of the time when she was angry I jumped through the living room window.”

…..

He added that she was “very, very crazy”, did not “care about anything at all”, and her family told him “someone has done black magic on her”.
Worse than fiction. I hate hearing big, burly U defend himself against two females so pathetically. What he's saying fits in with neighbour only hearing blood-curdling screams when he was out. But does not fit in with U's DNA on the appalling homemade plastic hoods and tape, rope and hard objects. MOO
 
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It's just occurred to me that it isn't just the prosecution that get to cross-examine the defence witnesses, but the other defence barristers as well. Hopefully, by the end of everyone cross-examining everybody else, none of them have a shread of credibility left.

Let's hope it won't come to actual blows hehe

All heavy objects should be removed from Court.
Just in case.

I'm still scratching my head about "black magic" and "jinns" :oops:

Wow and double Wow!

JMO
 
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Giving evidence on Wednesday, Sharif said: “Everything happened at home while I was at work.

……
Sharif told jurors that Batool was “very, very crazy”, pointing to video evidence she had abused him and forced him to jump out of a window to escape.

……
Sharif became emotional as he told jurors: “I used to jump through the kitchen window as she would lock the front door.

“Most of the time when she was angry I jumped through the living room window.”

…..

He added that she was “very, very crazy”, did not “care about anything at all”, and her family told him “someone has done black magic on her”.
All the more reason to report Sara's death, he would have been safe from further abuse...yet he fled to Pakistan with her, looking very relaxed on CCTV. Strange that!
 
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