GUILTY UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #4

[UK Girl]

I think given the timeline of NS text . And bienash ringing urfan and him arriving home . I think Sara died on bienashs watch . Which means Sara was either dying in the previous 2 day period and the account given by urfan that he gave cpr etc when he arrived home is a lie imo or bienash gave her a beating and Sara died then or bienash went to check Sara was still bound in the outhouse and Sara had succumbed to her injuries .

Forgive my crudeness but the death scene in the bedroom as narrated by urfan is a lie imo

I totally agree

 

[Nikynoo]

I think given the timeline of NS text . And bienash ringing urfan and him arriving home . I think Sara died on bienashs watch . Which means Sara was either dying in the previous 2 day period and the account given by urfan that he gave cpr etc when he arrived home is a lie imo or bienash gave her a beating and Sara died then or bienash went to check Sara was still bound in the outhouse and Sara had succumbed to her injuries .

Forgive my crudeness but the death scene in the bedroom as narrated by urfan is a lie imo

I agree. I don’t think Sara spent anytime in the house in the 48 hours preceding her death.

 

[Sooty]

Angelica, Anna, Olga. One wonders if all the women were immigrants. Urfan seems to be a true sadist, but it is easier to be sadistic towards more vulnerable women with less protection. Batool was born in UK. He might have been afraid of abusing her the way he used to abuse others. Plus, she is pretty aggressive herself. One has to just watch her statement in Pakistan to understand that she is not that much afraid of anything. So he turned his abuse towards Sara, and the more she grew, the worse it became. Batool was a kindred spirit to Urfan, and between the two, Sara’s life was worth nothing.

“He might have been afraid of abusing her the way he used to abuse others.”

This is a good point and it crossed my mind too. I do think BB was subjected to coercive and controlling behaviour but we haven’t had (or at least heard reporting of) of spousal physical violence that US is known for.

We know that BB was a victim of HBA - if this is the case I have given thought that maybe US did have a fear of some members of BB family for some reason known to him, and maybe this could be a reason as to why he made a sudden about-turn on his evidence.

ETA MOO

 

[UK Girl]

“He might have been afraid of abusing her the way he used to abuse others.”

This is a good point and it crossed my mind too. I do think BB was subjected to coercive and controlling behaviour but we haven’t had (or at least heard reporting of) of spousal physical violence that US is known for.

We know that BB was a victim of HBA - if this is the case I have given thought that maybe US did have a fear of some members of BB family for some reason known to him, and maybe this could be a reason as to why he made a sudden about-turn on his evidence.

ETA MOO

I have wondered also if he could be afraid of some of her family for the same reason.

 

[Smithpanes]

Sara Sharif’s father ‘in circles of hell but only stepmother knows how she died’

Defence lawyers were giving closing speeches in the trial of taxi driver Urfan Sharif, his wife Beinash Batool, and brother Faisal Malik.

uk.news.yahoo.com

 

[su5ie]

And the beginning of Urfan Sharif's defence counsel's closing speech. Mr Mian says US couldn't have caused the traumatic brain injury, but the evidence for that is US's assertion that he never hit Sara on the head. Can he be believed? I think this all helps to bring out the fact that BB and US are both guilty.

At the end of the day all the defendants were in cahoots from the moment they began Sara's abuse to the day they all fled imo . I have no time for he gave this many beatings and she gave this many and fasial only ran away . Imo they all caused Sara's death .

I used to believe bienash was prehaps not as involved as urfan and i didn't know how much fasial was aware but when I look at the information as a whole does it bloody matter . They all made sure the nails were well and truly in Sara's coffin and all ensured she was never going to be a happy little girl . Which ever route to that destination each defendant took I don't think it will matter in the jurors minds I don't think the jury will have tiered view . I think all will get 25/30 years plus .

There is a few harrowing points in this case that differ from other similar cases .
The hooding and the weapons used ,also the belief of the defendants that this was acceptable punishment of a child that was naughty and of course the absconding to Pakistan to escape justice.

 

[su5ie]

And the beginning of Urfan Sharif's defence counsel's closing speech. Mr Mian says US couldn't have caused the traumatic brain injury, but the evidence for that is US's assertion that he never hit Sara on the head. Can he be believed? I think this all helps to bring out the fact that BB and US are both guilty.

I wonder does the defence barrister really believe this himself ??? If so he would swallow a brick whole . I know the defence doesn't have to believe anything I'm being sarcastic

 

[UK Girl]

Sara Sharif’s father ‘in circles of hell but only stepmother knows how she died’

Defence lawyers were giving closing speeches in the trial of taxi driver Urfan Sharif, his wife Beinash Batool, and brother Faisal Malik.

uk.news.yahoo.com

I think his barrister has made some valid points but hers is just deluded IMO

 

[Moll]

I think his barrister has made some valid points but hers is just deluded IMO

She's not deluded. She's representing her client as well as she can. As with Sharif, a thankless task.

 

[UK Girl]

She's not deluded. She's representing her client as well as she can. As with Sharif, a thankless task.

Maybe but making out he was the only abuser when she was the only one who wouldn't give teeth imprints and neighbours heard her abusing Sara is just denying the truth

 

[irnbru]

I am grateful for these barristers who do a job I could not but which is absolutely necessary.

 

[Nikynoo]

Maybe but making out he was the only abuser when she was the only one who wouldn't give teeth imprints and neighbours heard her abusing Sara is just denying the truth

PLaying devils advocate here - what if she was advised by her legal rep not to give dental impressions - perhaps they are not that reliable? I believe that the expert who gave evidence about the bite marks said that they were 'probable human bites'? I agree though, that she could have eliminted herself from suspiscion by giving them. The neighbours evidence, could also be flawed - e.g. not true or the neighbour made assumptions of what she heard.

In any case, her barrister is doing her job. Doesn't mean she believes it to be true.

 

[Moll]

Maybe but making out he was the only abuser when she was the only one who wouldn't give teeth imprints and neighbours heard her abusing Sara is just denying the truth

In that respect, your distinction between the two barristers is very odd! Sharif's counsel has had to ignore a few things in order to push the idea that, conversely, she was the only abuser. Representing clients who won't tell the truth doesn't make either of them deluded.

 

[Nikynoo]

I think his barrister has made some valid points but hers is just deluded IMO

i picked this up from the article, which I think explains the role of the defence and how they approach the defence itself. BBM:

“You cannot trust anything he said since his clear witness box confession or indeed anything said on his behalf because his legal team act on his instructions..."

I disagree that B's defence is deluded - she too, makes some good points. Remember, the defence can only present defence that they are instructed to do by their client.

 

[Dotta]

These Barristers are the best.
They are KCs after all.

I'm soooo relieved this trial is coming to an end without problems.

This is what I dreamed about when the defendants were still hiding like rats far away from the UK.

But I always hoped for Justice for Sara.
There was no other option for me.
No way!!!

Now dear Jury - please,
do your Duty as best as you all can.

JMO

 

[Alyce]

Sara Sharif’s father ‘in circles of hell but only stepmother knows how she died’

Defence lawyers were giving closing speeches in the trial of taxi driver Urfan Sharif, his wife Beinash Batool, and brother Faisal Malik.

uk.news.yahoo.com

Interesting that BBs Counsel does not appear to be actively talking about and supporting BB -just putting all the blame onto urfan.

 

[UK Girl]

Interesting that BBs Counsel does not appear to be actively talking about and supporting BB -just putting all the blame onto urfan.

It is all she has really done tbh but then it's hard when her client won't even give evidence.

 

[Moll]

It is all she has really done tbh but then it's hard when her client won't even give evidence.

Exactly. It's all she can do if she has nothing else to go on. We await Faisal Malik's defence counsel with interest (but not much expectation).

 

[UK Girl]

Exactly. It's all she can do if she has nothing else to go on. We await Faisal Malik's defence counsel with interest (but not much expectation).

to be fair we don't know that her lawyer doesn't have more to go on. Maybe she has told her lawyer what happened and been advised not to take the stand.

 

[FlamingLily]

It is all she has really done tbh but then it's hard when her client won't even give evidence.

Not a ball in sight. The only thing B can really sink her teeth into is emaciated little kids. JMO