GUILTY UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #4

[porkypies]

Malik has stated he was required to distance himself from bienash . And she was required to cover up . ( she didn't cover up in car or airport so that's that lie blown apart kc micheal Ivers) he can put that in a pipe and smoke it haha

I imagine if true this was because in some Muslim families men and women sit separately. Many in different rooms . The menfolk in the living room . Womenfolk in kitchen or other quarters of a house . The idea behind this would be women are not to be exposed to talk of business affairs etc and the idea women would be talking about women's stuff . So if this tradition was followed in the house ,you can bet your life urfan "confided " in fasial what was happening with Sara.

As an example of the muslimness of this household, both men worked for Macdonalds, Urfan earlier and Malik at the time of these events.
Macdonalds do not deal in Halal food, and..

(from website aboutislam.net)

"You are not allowed to work in a restaurant that serves alcohol or foods that are considered haram .

In Islam, it is not only considered haram to consume what is haram but the prohibition also extends to promoting or condoning or aiding or assisting in the commission of the act. By working in such a restaurant, you are undoubtedly contributing to such things. Therefore, it is not considered lawful for a Muslim to continue in such a job."

Haram is the opposite of Halal and means forbidden.
Alcohol and gambling seem to come into the same haram category.

I don't believe any of them either followed or had any interest in any religion, apart from lying about it, pretending, and using it as part of some sort of imagined defence or excuse.

 

[Skigh]

I lived in Horsell as a child and then else where in Woking and have taught in various local schools. Many Muslims work in places which serve non halal meat and alcohol
People seem to be googling things about Muslim traditions and are perhaps looking at the extreme ways of life ,just as they would if they looked at any other religion.

 

[Skigh]

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Beinash Batool’s defence counsel sums up

Defending Batool, Ms Carberry begun her closing speech by saying that Sharif had tried to silence Sara’s “spirit” and “boldness” with his actions.

She said that Sharif had been a “very comfortable liar” in the witness box over many days and suggested the jury may even have been taken in by his performance. She reminded them that he had then “desperately, implausibly backtracked” after his confession.

Ms Carberry said that the jury had heard Batool’s voice and seen her life unfold through the texts to her sisters and were aware of her background through the agreed facts.

Ms Carberry said that Batool was vulnerable and isolated from her family, with a history of depression and self-harm, when she met Sharif, who was 13 years her senior. She said that Sharif was already a serial abuser with a controlling personality, and that Batool was an “easy victim”.

Ms Carberry said that Batool had also apparently told a nurse while she was pregnant that she didn’t want Sharif in her life and suggested that she stayed because she had no one else.

She said that the messages to her sisters revealed “how bleak their marriage was”, and that “it is a myth that it is easy to leave an abusive relationship”.

Ms Carberry said that Batool was isolated without support; that she was an outcast from her family, and that her sisters discouraged her from leaving with a ‘stay and pray’ attitude. She added that Batool would regret not having left for the rest of her life and said of Sharif: “For reasons we will never know, he loathed his daughter, and he loathed his wife.”

The trial continues on Monday, November 25, when Michael Ivers KC (Faisal Malik’s counsel), will give his closing speech.

 

[Dotta]

"Mr Mian went on to say
that Batool was somebody capable of creating a lie and sustaining it over years,

referring to

the twins she claimed to have had in a previous relationship
that later transpired to not exist."

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[Charlot123]

“He might have been afraid of abusing her the way he used to abuse others.”

This is a good point and it crossed my mind too. I do think BB was subjected to coercive and controlling behaviour but we haven’t had (or at least heard reporting of) of spousal physical violence that US is known for.

We know that BB was a victim of HBA - if this is the case I have given thought that maybe US did have a fear of some members of BB family for some reason known to him, and maybe this could be a reason as to why he made a sudden about-turn on his evidence.

ETA MOO

He did try to to blame Batool - remember, he called her "a psychopath over there"? He always tries to blame someone else. But it so happened that he was faced with his nemeses, all these women he used to abuse when they were young, and it suddenly looked the same everywhere. Women from Poland, totrured, immigrants in UK, beaten up, choked, prevented to leave, that woman in Pakistan whom he married and abandoned, perhaps in the same pattern. Some other baby, whom he abused was mentioned too. To culminate, there was Sara, tortured to death by him and Batool. He is not smart. He simply could not deflect these accusations. As to Batool, there was some toxic dynamic between the two, and she was surely a willing participant, buying the tape online, what does it tell you? I am starting to ask myself if for Urfan this sadism towards young women served not anger but something far, far more dark. He was afraid that someone might finally name it.

Feel free to remove if you feel it is too much, but I wonder if that's what we are seeing in Urfan.

Sexual sadism disorder - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

One doesn't need to sexually abuse the victim. One might simply get sexually aroused from physically torturing the victim.

 

[Dotta]

He did try to to blame Batool - remember, he called her "a psychopath over there"? He always tries to blame someone else. But it so happened that he was faced with his nemeses, all these women he used to abuse when they were young, and it suddenly looked the same everywhere. Women from Poland, totrured, immigrants in UK, beaten up, choked, prevented to leave, that woman in Pakistan whom he married and abandoned, perhaps in the same pattern. Some other baby, whom he abused was mentioned too. To culminate, there was Sara, tortured to death by him and Batool. He is not smart. He simply could not deflect these accusations. As to Batool, there was some toxic dynamic between the two, and she was surely a willing participant, buying the tape online, what does it tell you? I am starting to ask myself if for Urfan this sadism towards young women served not anger but something far, far more dark. He was afraid that someone might finally name it.

Feel free to remove if you feel it is too much, but I wonder if that's what we are seeing in Urfan.

Sexual sadism disorder - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

One doesn't need to sexually abuse the victim. One might simply get sexually aroused from physically torturing the victim.

Both U&B are broken and sick in their twisted minds IMO.
Beyond redemption.

I don't think they will ever see their children again.

JMO

 

[VioletLilac]

He did try to to blame Batool - remember, he called her "a psychopath over there"? He always tries to blame someone else. But it so happened that he was faced with his nemeses, all these women he used to abuse when they were young, and it suddenly looked the same everywhere. Women from Poland, totrured, immigrants in UK, beaten up, choked, prevented to leave, that woman in Pakistan whom he married and abandoned, perhaps in the same pattern. Some other baby, whom he abused was mentioned too. To culminate, there was Sara, tortured to death by him and Batool. He is not smart. He simply could not deflect these accusations. As to Batool, there was some toxic dynamic between the two, and she was surely a willing participant, buying the tape online, what does it tell you? I am starting to ask myself if for Urfan this sadism towards young women served not anger but something far, far more dark. He was afraid that someone might finally name it.

Feel free to remove if you feel it is too much, but I wonder if that's what we are seeing in Urfan.

Sexual sadism disorder - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

One doesn't need to sexually abuse the victim. One might simply get sexually aroused from physically torturing the victim.

Maybe. I think he was always going to torture and physically abuse someone. He didn't need to torture and physically abuse BB as Sara was his scapegoat and he fulfilled his urges on her. I don't believe he'd ever have abused no one he lived with. Abusers like that just go on and on

 

[Alyce]

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Beinash Batool’s defence counsel sums up

Defending Batool, Ms Carberry begun her closing speech by saying that Sharif had tried to silence Sara’s “spirit” and “boldness” with his actions.

She said that Sharif had been a “very comfortable liar” in the witness box over many days and suggested the jury may even have been taken in by his performance. She reminded them that he had then “desperately, implausibly backtracked” after his confession.

Ms Carberry said that the jury had heard Batool’s voice and seen her life unfold through the texts to her sisters and were aware of her background through the agreed facts.

Ms Carberry said that Batool was vulnerable and isolated from her family, with a history of depression and self-harm, when she met Sharif, who was 13 years her senior. She said that Sharif was already a serial abuser with a controlling personality, and that Batool was an “easy victim”.

Ms Carberry said that Batool had also apparently told a nurse while she was pregnant that she didn’t want Sharif in her life and suggested that she stayed because she had no one else.

She said that the messages to her sisters revealed “how bleak their marriage was”, and that “it is a myth that it is easy to leave an abusive relationship”.

Ms Carberry said that Batool was isolated without support; that she was an outcast from her family, and that her sisters discouraged her from leaving with a ‘stay and pray’ attitude. She added that Batool would regret not having left for the rest of her life and said of Sharif: “For reasons we will never know, he loathed his daughter, and he loathed his wife.”

The trial continues on Monday, November 25, when Michael Ivers KC (Faisal Malik’s counsel), will give his closing speech.

snipped from above...
Ms Carberry said that the jury had heard Batool’s voice and seen her life unfold through the texts to her sisters and were aware of her background through the agreed facts.


But when given the opportunity to put her case to the Jury, in person, it seems that BB, the victim, chose not to speak.

 

[szerszeń]

“For reasons we will never know, he loathed his daughter, and he loathed his wife.”
Olga not only ran away but also accused him in the court.

 

[Dotta]

“For reasons we will never know, he loathed his daughter, and he loathed his wife.”
Olga not only ran away but also accused him in the court.

It was a miserable day when she met this monster

JMO

 

[UK Girl]

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Beinash Batool’s defence counsel sums up

Defending Batool, Ms Carberry begun her closing speech by saying that Sharif had tried to silence Sara’s “spirit” and “boldness” with his actions.

She said that Sharif had been a “very comfortable liar” in the witness box over many days and suggested the jury may even have been taken in by his performance. She reminded them that he had then “desperately, implausibly backtracked” after his confession.

Ms Carberry said that the jury had heard Batool’s voice and seen her life unfold through the texts to her sisters and were aware of her background through the agreed facts.

Ms Carberry said that Batool was vulnerable and isolated from her family, with a history of depression and self-harm, when she met Sharif, who was 13 years her senior. She said that Sharif was already a serial abuser with a controlling personality, and that Batool was an “easy victim”.

Ms Carberry said that Batool had also apparently told a nurse while she was pregnant that she didn’t want Sharif in her life and suggested that she stayed because she had no one else.

She said that the messages to her sisters revealed “how bleak their marriage was”, and that “it is a myth that it is easy to leave an abusive relationship”.

Ms Carberry said that Batool was isolated without support; that she was an outcast from her family, and that her sisters discouraged her from leaving with a ‘stay and pray’ attitude. She added that Batool would regret not having left for the rest of her life and said of Sharif: “For reasons we will never know, he loathed his daughter, and he loathed his wife.”

The trial continues on Monday, November 25, when Michael Ivers KC (Faisal Malik’s counsel), will give his closing speech.

She forgot to mention that Beinash also loathed Sara. Her actions show that.

 

[UK Girl]

Just curious really. Given that we know she sent the photos to her sister and had chats with them and also phoned them 30 times the day they fled is there any proof she is supposedly estranged from her family?

 

[Sooty]

Just curious really. Given that we know she sent the photos to her sister and had chats with them and also phoned them 30 times the day they fled is there any proof she is supposedly estranged from her family?

I guess we don’t know this - yet. But I’ve mentioned before that ‘family’ is a big word and can mean an extended group of people beyond the immediate family members. She could well be estranged from her parents and male family members as a victim of HBA, but maybe have quiet support of her married sisters still - or from her fathers side of the family. US even said they visited the family so maybe this was questioned in the court. I’m sure we will find out more once the trial is concluded.

MOO

 

[UK Girl]

I guess we don’t know this - yet. But I’ve mentioned before that ‘family’ is a big word and can mean an extended group of people beyond the immediate family members. She could well be estranged from her parents and male family members as a victim of HBA, but maybe have quiet support of her married sisters still - or from her fathers side of the family. US even said they visited the family so maybe this was questioned in the court. I’m sure we will find out more once the trial is concluded.

MOO

Her sisters have been quite vocal on social media so I wouldnt say quiet support

 

[su5ie]

As a woman and an avid supporter of those affected by DV . I had thought prehaps bienash was a victim of urfan and the evidence of her purchasing tape on amazon etc could be reasoned as possibly the account along with other household bills was in her name and urfan could well have ordered off that I'm sure many of us have amazon accounts that family members order from just because its addressed to you doesn't mean its for you .

Some times in cases of DV . The abuses have a tiered affect . Father abuses mother ,mother abuses children ,children become bullies or are being bullied in the school playground. So I was sort of putting the screaming and shouting of bienash at the kids are a knock on effect of her being unable to take her frustration and anger out on urfan I don't condone it . I was merely looking at the known ways in which DV can affect directly or indirectly on individuals.

In hindsight and with more information available to me . Sometimes male /female abusers meet someone of like mindness . Usually one will be a leader and one a follower . The follower will admire/ love the more abusive partner and gladly participate in order to appease . An idol and a fan situation no matter what the idol does it is condoned or excused .

Both urfan and bienash were very damaged people and the same way we may click with a partner with same hobbies or values I feel these two had the same psychological acceptance of what was right or wrong .Both had history of stealing . Both appear to have personality disorders . Both seem to have a lax approach to Islamic practice and both seem to think they are the victims

Bienash had access to her phone . A lot of DV victims do not have this as everything is controlled by the abusive partner. She also had the ability to move about freely dropping kids off at school alone etc . She had plenty of opportunity to either openly report urfan or anonymously tip off SS from a public phone .

I will never understand two things in this case in regards as people knowing and doing nothing .SS dropping the report and bienash's sisters being aware and not encouraging her or making the report themselves.

Bienash imo was in a perfect position to save Sara. But she selfishly chose to save herself in the relationship. She was aware her husband was an abusive man from him ousting and isolating olga from her children's lives and the methods he used to do that . She could see with open eyes he was abusing Sara viciously .

I'm now of the opinion she sacrificed Sara for a better relationship with urfan and as charlot123 has mentioned there may have been a thrill achieved either sexually or psychologically.

I think urfans turn of confessions was brought about by knowledge of bienash's willingness to stand by him and not take the stand and enable him to tell as much "truth" and lies as he wanted .

 

[UK Girl]

As a woman and an avid supporter of those affected by DV . I had thought prehaps bienash was a victim of urfan and the evidence of her purchasing tape on amazon etc could be reasoned as possibly the account along with other household bills was in her name and urfan could well have ordered off that I'm sure many of us have amazon accounts that family members order from just because its addressed to you doesn't mean its for you .

Some times in cases of DV . The abuses have a tiered affect . Father abuses mother ,mother abuses children ,children become bullies or are being bullied in the school playground. So I was sort of putting the screaming and shouting of bienash at the kids are a knock on effect of her being unable to take her frustration and anger out on urfan I don't condone it . I was merely looking at the known ways in which DV can affect directly or indirectly on individuals.

In hindsight and with more information available to me . Sometimes male /female abusers meet someone of like mindness . Usually one will be a leader and one a follower . The follower will admire/ love the more abusive partner and gladly participate in order to appease . An idol and a fan situation no matter what the idol does it is condoned or excused .

Both urfan and bienash were very damaged people and the same way we may click with a partner with same hobbies or values I feel these two had the same psychological acceptance of what was right or wrong .

Bienash had access to her phone . A lot of DV victims do not have this as everything is controlled by the abusive partner. She also had the ability to move about freely dropping kids off at school alone etc . She had plenty of opportunity to either openly report urfan or anonymously tip off SS from a public phone .

I will never understand two things in this case in regards as people knowing and doing nothing .SS dropping the report and bienash's sisters being aware and not encouraging her or making the report themselves.

Bienash imo was in a perfect position to save Sara. But she selfishly chose to save herself in the relationship. She was aware her husband was an abusive man from him ousting and isolating olga from her children's lives and the methods he used to do that . She could see with open eyes he was abusing Sara viciously .

I'm now of the opinion she sacrificed Sara for a better relationship with urfan and as charlot123 has mentioned there may have been a thrill achieved either sexually or psychologically.

I think urfans turn of confessions was brought about by knowledge of bienash's willingness to stand by him and not take the stand and enable him to tell as much "truth" and lies as he wanted .

I actually agree with a lot of what you say. The only thing I would say she was also abusing her viciously. The issue I have given everything we have heard is who was the main bully in reality ( and not according to Urfans words in court)

 

[su5ie]

I actually agree with a lot of what you say. The only thing I would say she was also abusing her viciously. The issue I have given everything we have heard is who was the main bully in reality ( and not according to Urfans words in court)

This is the issue I have too ,on what footing did each of the two stand .
I do believe the abuse would not have happened if urfan did not allow / instigate first. What pattern followed on from that we can only read between the lines .

I think when urfan beat Sara and began abusing Sara. Bienash became his "foot soldier " reporting what she deemed as boldness .So she held the power over the when ,this would make bienash the instigator here . And prehaps gaining delight in being able to appease urfan . I think as time moved on she actively participated in the beatings either by holding Sara down or restraining her till urfan got home to deliver the beating or them taking turns in delivering the beating .

I think she watched each time and this is how she came across in the messages to her sisters . I don't believe she was locked in a room . I believe she locked the room from the inside to prevent the other children from getting out .

There was a pair of them in it .Each one feeding off the other . Even in the messages to her sisters bienash is looking for her psychological " food" The poor me attitude feigned by poor Sara . Her message reads . Poor Sara ,urfan beat her black and blue . What am I to do ? This is bienash making the beating about herself. Its not how will i help sara . imo . A person who is aware of this misplaced victim attitude would have replied " this is not about you " this is about Sara .

 

[Dotta]

This is the issue I have too ,on what footing did each of the two stand .
I do believe the abuse would not have happened if urfan did not allow / instigate first. What pattern followed on from that we can only read between the lines .

I think when urfan beat Sara and began abusing Sara. Bienash became his "foot soldier " reporting what she deemed as boldness .So she held the power over the when ,this would make bienash the instigator here . And prehaps gaining delight in being able to appease urfan . I think as time moved on she actively participated in the beatings either by holding Sara down or restraining her till urfan got home to deliver the beating or them taking turns in delivering the beating .

I think she watched each time and this is how she came across in the messages to her sisters . I don't believe she was locked in a room . I believe she locked the room from the inside to prevent the other children from getting out .

There was a pair of them in it .Each one feeding off the other . Even in the messages to her sisters bienash is looking for her psychological " food" The poor me attitude feigned by poor Sara . Her message reads . Poor Sara ,urfan beat her black and blue . What am I to do ? This is bienash making the beating about herself. Its not how will i help sara . imo . A person who is aware of this misplaced victim attitude would have replied " this is not about you " this is about Sara .

Both U&B take the positions of victims.
U accused previous partners and B of attacking him and lying about him.
B painted herself as a victim too, both in texts and in video in Pakistan.

This is typical psychological manipulation IMO.

Pretending to be a victim -
arousing pity, regret, sympathy
by painting a false image of oneself
as a victim of others, or circumstances/events.

While a true victim was isolated, silenced and mercilessly abused till death

JMO

 

[JennieM]

Sara is the only true victim. She suffered and died at their hands.

Her siblings are also victims.

These three grown ups are responsible for victimising them. Now they are presenting a case of being victimised themselves. Lock them away and throw the key. It is a shame they cannot be legally punished and suffer the same way Sara did because of them.

 

[Tortoise]

I think F was better placed to report and stop the abuse than either U or B. He moved in and was a fresh pair of eyes on what was going on, whereas the other two were probably so far down their dysfunctional paths they were locked into their hideous positions, some sort of abnormal interaction for which Sara paid with her life. Nothing was presented to suggest he had mental deficiencies. He wasn't acclimated as they were. I also think if any one of them had no part in Sara's abuse and death they would have called the oldest child as a witness for them. JMO