They do know that it was installed. There’s something in one of the news reports stating that it had been removed. I can’t remember when it was reported, but there is definitely mention that it was taken off the wall.
GUILTY UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #4
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A Ring doorbell camera installed at the home of 10-year-old Sara Sharif had been removed before she was found dead by police, a court has heard.
Taxi driver Urfan Sharif, 42, is on trial at the Old Bailey accused of his daughter’s murder alongside her stepmother, Beinash Batool, 30, and uncle, Faisal Malik, 29. On the second day of their trial, prosecutor William Emlyn Jones KC told of an “odd detail” – the absence of a Ring doorbell camera at the family home in Woking, Surrey.
He told jurors: “It turns out there was a Ring doorbell at the house. There is evidence of it being purchased on July 11, 2023. What is odd about this is that when the police searched the property, it had been removed. Its bracket is still there, fitted to the exterior by the front door. But you can also see that the device itself had been removed.
Police spot 'odd detail' at family home after girl, 10, found dead in bunk bed
Following Sara Sharif's death, the murder trials of her dad Urfan Sharif, her stepmother Beinash Batool and her uncle Faisal Malik have begun at the Old Bailey in London
I think it's possible they may have expected neighbours to report disturbing noises emanating from the property and didn't want to answer the door to Social Services or police.A Ring doorbell camera installed at the home of 10-year-old Sara Sharif had been removed before she was found dead by police, a court has heard.
Taxi driver Urfan Sharif, 42, is on trial at the Old Bailey accused of his daughter’s murder alongside her stepmother, Beinash Batool, 30, and uncle, Faisal Malik, 29. On the second day of their trial, prosecutor William Emlyn Jones KC told of an “odd detail” – the absence of a Ring doorbell camera at the family home in Woking, Surrey.
He told jurors: “It turns out there was a Ring doorbell at the house. There is evidence of it being purchased on July 11, 2023. What is odd about this is that when the police searched the property, it had been removed. Its bracket is still there, fitted to the exterior by the front door. But you can also see that the device itself had been removed.
Police spot 'odd detail' at family home after girl, 10, found dead in bunk bed
Following Sara Sharif's death, the murder trials of her dad Urfan Sharif, her stepmother Beinash Batool and her uncle Faisal Malik have begun at the Old Bailey in Londonwww.mirror.co.uk
Yes, and then they took it off when they left.
Not being tech minded, I'm not sure whether it would have contained recordings anyway, or if the recordings go to a device like a phone or computer linked up to it.
Ah. I did say I was clueless about them...In that case why bother? Just to try to conceal that they'd ever had one?
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Surely it would still be possible to access the data recorded by the Ring doorbell. As I don’t think the device itself stores the footage you need to have an account which you can log onto with an app on your phone or on the Internet. I wonder why the police didn’t try and get a warrant from the company Ring to access the data that it recorded.
Well I wondered if it was just to not give it to the council, to sell it maybe. But if it could be used to access a linked account as @CocktailQueen suggests, it could have been taken to prevent identifying information being known.
I think the recordings go to a phone connected to it. Conveniently they all left/lost their phones in Pakistan.
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Mr Jones ( Prosecution ) spoke about the day that Sara died and no one calling for help, of the decision for the whole family to leave the UK and fly to Pakistan and taking their mobile phones and doorbell video with them,
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We have a ring door bell. Once a video is deleted from the app it’s gone forever. No way of getting it back unless you send the video to an email or file. After 30 days all videos are automatically deleted.
Probably the reason why phones were conveniently "lost "
Funny story . Myself and a friend were standing at her front door as I smoke she had a ring doorbell. She and the partner had had an argument and she was venting over a cuppa and as we stepped outside for said cig . She said don't talk about the argument, partner has ring account on his phone and he will hear your opinion of him . I said sure how would he know . Well apparently when the camera catches movements it alerts the account holder(s) and they can see and listen to what's being said . Needless to say I waited till we went back inside to give my thoughts on the partner ha ha .
Multiple people from a household can have the ring device hooked up to their phone .recordings stay on phone for a period of time I think 3 months . But the company who supplies them hold data for I think 180 days .
I did wonder as these devices are removable from a bracket if it was also used in outhouse or if it was used to monitor Sara from the front in case she escaped out the side entrance. Also highly likely to alert the trio if police or SS approaching
Yes I agree . It was one of the first thoughts that popped into my mind why wasn't a warrant sought to retrieve data from lost phones and ring doorbell. It might have made the prosecution's case easier. I also wonder did it show any other visitors coming after Sara died . I seem to recall vehicles that were on the driveway were removed after the family left but before police got there .
Monday, November 25
The court did not sit today due to a juror being unwell.
The court will reconvene at 10am tomorrow (November 26), when Faisal’s Malik counsel will resume his closing statement.
The court did not sit today due to a juror being unwell.
The court will reconvene at 10am tomorrow (November 26), when Faisal’s Malik counsel will resume his closing statement.
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That explains why we have had no updates!!! I did think it was strange nothing had been reported anywhere.Monday, November 25
The court did not sit today due to a juror being unwell.
The court will reconvene at 10am tomorrow (November 26), when Faisal’s Malik counsel will resume his closing statement.
Monday, November 25
The court did not sit today due to a juror being unwell.
The court will reconvene at 10am tomorrow (November 26), when Faisal’s Malik counsel will resume his closing statement.
Aaaargh!
I knew it was going too smoothly!
Something had to happen
I suspected antics of the trio.
Get well soon to the Juror!
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Monday, November 25
The court did not sit today due to a juror being unwell.
The court will reconvene at 10am tomorrow (November 26), when Faisal’s Malik counsel will resume his closing statement.
so he has already covered some of his Closing ....
hopefully Judge can get the Jury out tomorrow
Just noticed this paragraph in the above article. Why does urfans defence state only bienash would know this . Were none of the other defendants in the house for a 4 day period. Even with shift work accounted for urfan and malik would have to be at home for some periods to eat ,sleep and shower .
I would imagine those missing phones hold a lot of secrets
Because Urfan wants to blame her, not himself or Faisal. It doesn't mean it's true, though, does it?
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Yes a sketchy statement from U's defence. Sarah's brother and the siblings all crammed in the same bedroom would know roughly what state she was in if she was there. And if she was locked suffering in the outhouse they'd know that too by her noticable absence. If punishment was happening, unless they were allowed out on constant playdates or sitting hours on end with noise-cancelling headphones, they'd hear either the abuser or groans of victim. JMO
It seems to be part of Mr Mian's desperate attempt to salvage something from Urfan Sharif's earlier defence blaming everything on Beinash, a sort of recap of the 'that psycho over there' bit. The two preceding paragraphs in the Guildford Dragon account follow a suggestion that Urfan had been overcome with remorse as a result of his days giving evidence, implying that this caused his volte face:
'He said that this would all have taken its toll on Urfan and asks the jury to consider the credibility and reliability of what he said as a result and emphasised that Sharif hadn’t meant to cause Sara serious harm and referred to the injuries he denied causing, including the burns, the bite marks and the hooding, and said: “Let’s face it, we all know who those bite marks belong to”.
The defence counsel went on to say that Batool was somebody capable of creating a lie and sustaining it over years, referring to the twins she claimed to have had in a previous relationship that later transpired to not exist.
He said that the only person who could say what happened to Sara on the Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday leading up her death was Batool and pointed to her in the box.'
I think the defence counsels for Urfan Sharif and Beinash Batool have ensured that both of them will be convicted of murder - they can't possibly exonerate their own clients. JMO
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