GUILTY UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #4

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  • #821
I will be very disappointed if he gets such a short sentence. In my opinion he knew full well what was happening and could have been part of the actual abuse.
His defence of not being there is ridiculous. He provided the money for tickets and hid in Pakistan. He declined the opportunity to speak and defend himself in court.
Hopefully, you are right!
 
  • #822
One thing I think the reporting could have been clearer on was the dating of some of her injuries. I think they went into a little bit of detail about the brain swelling, in closing argument, but I would have liked to have known about the dating of all of her bone fractures, particularly her spine fractures, and the scalding with boiling water, and branding with the iron. Was this clear and I missed it?
 
  • #823

"Sara Sharif Case Exposes Family Secrets And Struggle.


Particularly chilling are the details of Sara's conditions at home,
with police reports painting a picture of prolonged suffering and neglect.

The atmosphere of fear and control was pervasive,
as noted by several testimonies highlighting the family's abusive dynamics.

The nature of Sara's injuries has invoked widespread outrage and sorrow from the community,
prompting discussions about child welfare and safety.

Sara Sharif's legacy
is likely to push for greater awareness and stricter policies surrounding child welfare –
as her story becomes more than just another case number,
but rather serves as both cautionary tale
and rallying cry for justice."

 
  • #824
It isn't possible to have lived in that house and not known. Every adult is complicit. I hope they are all found guilty of murder. The least I think I will be able to accept as a reasonable outcome is two guilty of murder and one of causing or allowing.

But they are all, forever, guilty of Sara's terrible suffering and appalling end, no matter whose hand delivered the final blow. They are all guilty, they are forever condemned. There is no forgiveness for this.
Agreed. Did the jury see the autopsy/blood spatter evidence? I feel that between seeing the brutality, hearing the med experts remove doubt of prolonged trauma and the neighbour testimonies their may be hope that justice isn't escaped. I strongly feel all and any emotion shown by the defendants should be ignored, the same way Sara's screams were when she was hanging on to life.
 
  • #825

"Sara Sharif Case Exposes Family Secrets And Struggle.


Particularly chilling are the details of Sara's conditions at home,
with police reports painting a picture of prolonged suffering and neglect.

The atmosphere of fear and control was pervasive,
as noted by several testimonies highlighting the family's abusive dynamics.

The nature of Sara's injuries has invoked widespread outrage and sorrow from the community,
prompting discussions about child welfare and safety.

Sara Sharif's legacy
is likely to push for greater awareness and stricter policies surrounding child welfare –
as her story becomes more than just another case number,
but rather serves as both cautionary tale
and rallying cry for justice."

Hopefully it will make neighbours feel bolder about reporting suspicious ongoing screams. English society does a little too well at minding its own business at times. Nobody wants to look like the resident curtain twitcher.
 
  • #826
One thing I think the reporting could have been clearer on was the dating of some of her injuries. I think they went into a little bit of detail about the brain swelling, in closing argument, but I would have liked to have known about the dating of all of her bone fractures, particularly her spine fractures, and the scalding with boiling water, and branding with the iron. Was this clear and I missed it?
I don't think they were all that precisely dated except that if about 25 fractures had healed they must have been over a long period, surely. But the Dragon report of 3 Nov said:

'"These included one burn on each buttock that Mr Martin concluded were likely to have been caused in the same incident.
It described it as a single contact burn and that it was at least two weeks old.

His view was that it had been intentionally inflicted and made by a domestic iron possibly and the iron found in the Sharif house.'

The trouble with the Guildford Dragon making the reports into one long narrative is that the link always takes you to the top and you have to scroll down a long way.

 
  • #827
The trouble with the Guildford Dragon making the reports into one long narrative is that the link always takes you to the top and you have to scroll down a long way.


Nobody's Perfect!
But Guildford Dragon has NO equal while reporting this case.
Best greetings from Wawel Dragon from Poland!!!
 
  • #828
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Anyone wondered (try not to vomit now) if Batool and Malik had something going on and Sharif was taking out his rage on Sarah? You never know what happened in their cesspool. Malik had the funds to easily rent his own one-bed unit but chose to join the horror show. Why would you.

I thought about it but didn’t want to ask as ultimately, I want justice. As to their personal lives…I am not sure that Malik was in UK when Sharif took off to Pakistan, leaving the kids on Batool. I bet Batool was livid when it happened. Complaining to someone close and the person “getting carried away while consoling” is a common scenario. But, these are their lives and honestly, they have nothing to do with the child.
 
  • #829
But they aren't charged with fleeing the scene of a serious crime, or other things like perverting the course of justice. They are charged with murder and causing or allowing the death of a child, and the judge said the jury could find them not guilty of murder but guilty of manslaughter.

I think he also said the second charge (causing or allowing the death of a child) was an alternative not an additional charge in this case?

It's not a minor offence, there could be a life sentence for that too.

Causing or allowing a child to suffer serious physical harm/ Causing or allowing a child to die​

Domestic Violence, Crime and Victims Act 2004, s.5

Guideline effective from: 01 April 2023

Causing or allowing a child to suffer serious physical harm

Indictable only
Maximum: 14 years’ custody for offences committed after 28 June 2022; otherwise 10 years’ custody
Offence range: Community order – 12 years’ custody

Causing or allowing a child to die
Indictable only

Maximum: life imprisonment for offences committed after 28 June 2022; otherwise 14 years’ custody
Offence range: 1 year’s custody – 18 years’ custody
I thought additional charge of fleeing the scene of a crime can be added . My bad .
Bit unfortunate that can not be added too as I felt that was horrendous. Not only did Sara endure horrible abuse and a painful death . Her body was abandoned like a piece of furniture imo
 
  • #830
I thought additional charge of fleeing the scene of a crime can be added . My bad .
Bit unfortunate that can not be added too as I felt that was horrendous. Not only did Sara endure horrible abuse and a painful death . Her body was abandoned like a piece of furniture imo
Still, it's damning evidence of guilt, hence how they've been blaming each other for that too, so it's not all bad news.
 
  • #831
I will be very disappointed if he gets such a short sentence. In my opinion he knew full well what was happening and could have been part of the actual abuse.
His defence of not being there is ridiculous. He provided the money for tickets and hid in Pakistan. He declined the opportunity to speak and defend himself in court.
I think if fasial gets off lightly or altogether. I will be very upset akin to a close family member passing away .
Words I cannot use in this post but nasty nasty B word . Imo he well could have got medical or police attention for Sara above the others even if as it alleges he was only present for those 48 hours. This part is known as urfan stated he called on him when bienash would not allow him to call police . He had access to his phone ,he could walk out the door and above all else he didn't even have the common decency to speak in a police interview and tell the police what happened in those 48hours ,he is not stupid he knew urfan was not a threat at that stage if that's what he feared thats sickening to me . I just hope his silence is not rewarded
 
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  • #832
(...) The court is not sitting on tomorrow (Thursday), or Friday and will reconvene on Monday, December 2, when Justice John Cavanagh will continue his summing up of the case. (...)
 
  • #833
(...) The court is not sitting on tomorrow (Thursday), or Friday and will reconvene on Monday, December 2, when Justice John Cavanagh will continue his summing up of the case. (...)

I wonder if this has something to do with American Thanksgiving long weekend.
Maybe the British have American relatives.

JMO
 
  • #834
This whole case makes me sick to the core :( I<modsnip - off topic>

I did notice the picture at the airport on route out of the UK, the other children seemed to be holding hands together/crossed hands. This struck me as strange as not many children of that age can stay so ‘composed’. Maybe nothing, but just felt very controlled.

Just my own opinion.
I said this before. I noticed and found that very strange.
 
  • #835

I agree about the two young girls’ composure. It disturbed me, knowing as we do about US being a father who demands restraint and control of all actions.
In the link, the photo below the one to which @Summer80 refers, where US is pointing towards N at the boarding gate - FM and BB are looking at him as if he is a madman JMO

I can’t wait for this case to be concluded now and for justice for Sara. It is so frustrating to have this delay.
 
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  • #836
This must have been a useful reminder from the judge (my bold in the first sentence):

'In court today Justice John Cavanagh continued his summing up and reviewed each of Sara’s injuries, both external and internal, using a body map.

He noted that there were more than 71 external injuries to Sara, including extensive bruising, multiple fractures, and a burn on her right buttock.

Internal injuries of note included internal bruising to the lungs and a significant brain injury thought to have been caused by a direct impact to the head.

Human bite marks were also found on Sara’s body which were not self-inflicted. He pointed out that dental impressions were provided by Urfan Sharif and Faisal Malik, and that Beinash Batool was the only one who would not provide her dental impressions.'

 
  • #837
Remorse!! Pass me the sick bucket . Only remorse those trio have is in the getting caught imo .

If they had an ounce of empathy for Sara they would have got help earlier for the horrendous injuries she suffered over a period of two years . And what remorseful parent leaves their dead child that was caused by their hand to save themselves.

The sooner the better the judge hands down the sentences and then we will see how remorseful he is if he doesn't instruct his counsel to appeal
If they felt remorse, they would beg to be locked up, they would not be fighting justice.
 
  • #838

I agree about the two young girls’ composure. It disturbed me, knowing as we do about US being a father who demands restraint and control of all actions.
In the link, the photo below the one to which @Summer80 refers, where US is pointing towards N at the boarding gate - FM and BB are looking at him as if he is a madman JMO

I can’t wait for this case to be concluded now and for justice for Sara. It is so frustrating to have this delay.
The twins' hands are clasped together going through passport control. Sign of an order/control or anxiety, according to my studies. Also noticed the faces of U, B and F nervous at checkup point. Eyes not looking red and swollen from crying. Highlights how fake Urfans bawling on his call a few hours later from Pakistan to UK cops. Kids skinny and possibly underdressed for chilly flight, perhaps in rush to leave? I noticed they did leave a suitcase behind on pristine white master bed. Gross seeing U walking so calmly in his girlfriend jeans. Was that for parking ticket? Just my observations.
 

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  • #839
"Mr Ivers KC added that it was “bluntly laughable” to say that the evidence against Sara’s uncle was the same as the other defendants."

Well Mr Ivers,
The evidence that applies equally to Sara’s uncle and the other defendants include:
  • Living in the same house, knowledge of abuse, neglect, or a suspicious death.
  • Shared access to disposal areas where incriminating evidence (e.g., uniforms, tools) was found.
  • Participation in household activities that would reasonably expose everyone in the household to the same evidence.
  • Certain abuse requiring more than one person as abuser - since B and F are keeping quiet - one has to assume there might be a strong likelihood.
  • Witness accounts or forensic evidence suggesting that all defendants were aware of or involved in the crime or its cover-up.
  • Faisal Malik's incriminating actions over the months, which ultimately led to Sara's tragic death, show that he never made any attempt to report the abuse.
I dont see anything remotely laughable in these facts, Mr Ivers!

Using such dismissive language in this situation does not reflect well on you.
(JMO)
 
  • #840
I hope the trial will proceed on Monday.
And also that these monsters will be finally
"Legally Punished".

Isn't it strange how words we once said come back to us?
Mind the words.

JMO
 
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