UK - Scarlett Vickers (14) stabbed to death at home in Darlington. Parents charged with murder (5 July '24)

[SusanDonim]

A further thought…I hope we hear some testimony regarding attempts to stem Scarlett's bleeding, between the incident and paramedics arriving.
I haven't seen anything on this yet - surely with blood 'gushing' the first thought would be apply pressure?
'Mouth to mouth' is really odd - why would you try to inflate the lungs of someone with blood gushing from their chest?

• One minute I was cooking and the next there was blood gushing out of her chest."
• The defendant said Scarlett said “argh” and saw all the blood coming down the side and she fell on the floor and he asked Sarah to call an ambulance
• Ms Hall says Scarlett is bleeding from her left or right side
• “All of a sudden she shouted…there was a delay…then we saw the blood”.

• He added: “I saw the blood and rang 999, the colour was going and she was falling to the floor. I passed the phone to Sarah, I was trying to do mouth to mouth.”

(Also, please ease up on the 'reefer madness' stuff, I thought better of websleuthers. I use cannabis everyday and I get upset if I accidently step on a slug putting the bin out. Correlation does not imply causation!)

 

[vls12345]

I haven't seen anything on this yet - surely with blood 'gushing' the first thought would be apply pressure?
'Mouth to mouth' is really odd - why would you try to inflate the lungs of someone with blood gushing from their chest?

RSBM.

A lot of people don't have much, if any, knowledge about first aid, or anatomy, or science really. I would think they might remember even less when under pressure in an emergency situation. Perhaps all he could think of is that he saw her collapsed on the floor &, therefore, I need to give mouth-to-mouth. (Probably rote memory from middle school or similar....) It probably never occurred to him that blowing air into the lungs might make the problem worse.

MOO.

 

[Luwin]

A further thought…I hope we hear some testimony regarding attempts to stem Scarlett's bleeding, between the incident and paramedics arriving.
I haven't seen anything on this yet - surely with blood 'gushing' the first thought would be apply pressure?
'Mouth to mouth' is really odd - why would you try to inflate the lungs of someone with blood gushing from their chest?

• One minute I was cooking and the next there was blood gushing out of her chest."
• The defendant said Scarlett said “argh” and saw all the blood coming down the side and she fell on the floor and he asked Sarah to call an ambulance
• Ms Hall says Scarlett is bleeding from her left or right side
• “All of a sudden she shouted…there was a delay…then we saw the blood”.

• He added: “I saw the blood and rang 999, the colour was going and she was falling to the floor. I passed the phone to Sarah, I was trying to do mouth to mouth.”

(Also, please ease up on the 'reefer madness' stuff, I thought better of websleuthers. I use cannabis everyday and I get upset if I accidently step on a slug putting the bin out. Correlation does not imply causation!)

In your first excellent summary you pulled out the detail that the knife had not been removed - i find that odd, I'd think instinct would force you to remove it

 

[Dotta]

In your first excellent summary you pulled out the detail that the knife had not been removed - i find that odd, I'd think instinct would force you to remove it

A knife should not be removed before emergency staff appears.
It slows down the bleeding.

"If there is an object in the wound,
don't remove it
as this could make the bleeding a lot worse.

Apply pressure around it."

Helping someone who has been stabbed with first aid

Anyone who's been stabbed needs immediate help - their life could be at risk. British Red Cross first aid experts explain what to do.

www.redcross.org.uk

 

[Luwin]

A knife should not be removed before emergency staff appears.
It slows down the bleeding.

"If there is an object in the wound,
don't remove it
as this could make the bleeding a lot worse.

Apply pressure around it."

Helping someone who has been stabbed with first aid

Anyone who's been stabbed needs immediate help - their life could be at risk. British Red Cross first aid experts explain what to do.

www.redcross.org.uk

Yes appreciate that is the correct response- i just don't know, I think my natural instinct would be to.

 

[dalsglen]

Yes appreciate that is the correct response- i just don't know, I think my natural instinct would be to.

natural instinct in most people would be to pull it out I'd imagine.

 

[bobbymkii]

The defendant takes the stand:

Updates as dad jailed for 15 years for murdering teen daughter Scarlett Vickers

Simon Vickers, 50, of Geneva Road, Darlington, was found guilty of the murder of his daughter, Scarlett, 14.

www.chroniclelive.co.uk

 

[Yellowbelly]

The defendant takes the stand:

Updates as dad jailed for 15 years for murdering teen daughter Scarlett Vickers

Simon Vickers, 50, of Geneva Road, Darlington, was found guilty of the murder of his daughter, Scarlett, 14.

www.chroniclelive.co.uk

Good. Defendants who are peddling obvious nonsense tend not to cope too well with forensic questioning by trained lawyers.

 

[Tortoise]

This is the kind of story I'd expect to come out of a 5-year-old's mouth.

LUDICROUS!

Just tell the truth, for your daughter.

IMO

 

[Luwin]

Some of his comments - the one about it costing him a fortune in phone calls to speak to his wife daily and the fact he only had cereal bars whilst he was in custody

 

[Smccat]

I was just about this say, I can't follow a word this guy is going on about this afternoon.


From an entry from trial a bit earlier this afternoon 13:45Nicole Goodwin

Vickers says he read the pathologist report into Scarlett's death 'over and over again'​

Vickers said:

It’s hard enough losing a child but no parent should have to read a pathologist report which goes into so much detail right down to the fact she had purple lilac knickers on which were stained, when she passed away she’d relaxed and wet herself. There were 20 pages of it but I read it to work out what had happened so I had to read everything over and over again and some things started fitting together of what I think happened.

 

[Smccat]

It's rather like the baffle them with bs plan.

 

[bobbymkii]

The prosecution says: “At the point when the paramedic asked you to put the knife down, where was the knife?

Vickers responds: “I was pointing at it”.

The prosecution asks: The paramedic asked you to put the knife down at a time when you were not holding the knife?

Mr Vickers says: “Yes.”

Oh dear

Updates as dad jailed for 15 years for murdering teen daughter Scarlett Vickers

Simon Vickers, 50, of Geneva Road, Darlington, was found guilty of the murder of his daughter, Scarlett, 14.

www.chroniclelive.co.uk

 

[imstilla.grandma]

'I now know she had got a knife out and put it next to this hot plate to cut the garlic bread about a minute before this happened.'
The trial continues.

Father accused of stabbing his daughter to death had smoked cannabis

Simon Vickers, 50, denies both the murder and manslaughter of Scarlett in the kitchen of their home in Darlington, Co Durham, claiming he accidentally threw a knife at her without realising.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Yellowbelly]

The prosecution says: “At the point when the paramedic asked you to put the knife down, where was the knife?

Vickers responds: “I was pointing at it”.

The prosecution asks: The paramedic asked you to put the knife down at a time when you were not holding the knife?

Mr Vickers says: “Yes.”

Oh dear

Updates as dad jailed for 15 years for murdering teen daughter Scarlett Vickers

Simon Vickers, 50, of Geneva Road, Darlington, was found guilty of the murder of his daughter, Scarlett, 14.

www.chroniclelive.co.uk

Seems to be going about as well as I anticipated!

 

[bobbymkii]

Simon Vickers arriving at the Durham Constabulary custody suite (Image: Durham Constabulary)

Scarlett Vickers: CCTV footage as dad accused of murder arrives at police station

CCTV footage has been released from inside a police station as a Darlington man accused of murdering his teenage daughter is brought into custody.

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk

 

[bobbymkii]

VIDEO:

https://www.itv.com/watch/news/father-accused-of-murdering-daughter-in-darlington-tells-court-it-was-a-freak-accident/5nvjg9k

 

[bobbymkii]

So she IS giving evidence!

10:46Peter Tennick

The trial has resumed.​

Sarah Hall will be giving evidence this morning. The partner of Simon Vickers and Scarlett’s mum - they have been together 27 years, she says.

Updates as dad jailed for 15 years for murdering teen daughter Scarlett Vickers

Simon Vickers, 50, of Geneva Road, Darlington, was found guilty of the murder of his daughter, Scarlett, 14.

www.chroniclelive.co.uk

 

[OceanElix]

Following the live updates, thank you for posting.

I dread to think what kind of life poor Scarlett had, living in that environment.
May she rest in peace.

 

[SusanDonim]

So she IS giving evidence!

10:46Peter Tennick

The trial has resumed.​

Sarah Hall will be giving evidence this morning. The partner of Simon Vickers and Scarlett’s mum - they have been together 27 years, she says.

Updates as dad jailed for 15 years for murdering teen daughter Scarlett Vickers

Simon Vickers, 50, of Geneva Road, Darlington, was found guilty of the murder of his daughter, Scarlett, 14.

www.chroniclelive.co.uk

We're getting all the utensils now! First a spatula and tongs...now:

"She tells the jury ... that she first thought Vickers he may have “flicked a spoon at her”."
"Sarah says she made an assumption that the knife may have been thrown with a ladle when speaking to police"

Wish they would both just tell the truth. Poor Scarlett.