UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #2

[Pinkizzy]

It sounds like MG returned to the office for something during his lunch meeting with the boss

 

[Crusader21]

Remember MG was in the Crocodile Tears, lunchtime with big Sturgis boss.

How many cocktails did he have?

 

[shadwell]

The owner was a helicopter pilot overseas.

Yup. It’s the combination of vacant and furnished that I particularly note.

 

[Cluesleuth]

Remember MG was in the Crocodile Tears, lunchtime with big Sturgis boss.

How many cocktails did he have?

Can I ask which big Sturgis boss you mean?
I saw it mentioned that he was having lunch with other managers and KP was mentioned.

In DV's book he says that it was never mentioned before that KP had been in the office that morning.

 

[Cluesleuth]

It sounds like MG returned to the office for something during his lunch meeting with the boss

A bottle of champagne?

Were there any presentations of champagne for highest achieving sales negotiator/manager/office/ financial services referrals/ mortgage refferals of the month.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

Suzy had a fear of closed spaces and had panicked in a cable car once - maybe this factored into a situation that somehow escalated out of control?

(This fear is mentioned on the Suzy Lamplugh Trust website - About Suzy)

 

[asyousay]

Suzy had a fear of closed spaces and had panicked in a cable car once - maybe this factored into a situation that somehow escalated out of control?

(This fear is mentioned on the Suzy Lamplugh Trust website - About Suzy)

How though?


It’s not like she was showing somebody around a flat and they asked her to crawl into a wardrobe to see how many people could fit and she freaked out and somehow died.

 

[Crusader21]

Can I ask which big Sturgis boss you mean?
I saw it mentioned that he was having lunch with other managers and KP was mentioned.

In DV's book he says that it was never mentioned before that KP had been in the office that morning.

The Sturgis 'hirer and firer', don't have DVs book at hand, maybe his intials are KP?

 

[Crusader21]

Suzy had a fear of closed spaces and had panicked in a cable car once - maybe this factored into a situation that somehow escalated out of control?

(This fear is mentioned on the Suzy Lamplugh Trust website - About Suzy)

Thats true ...

We know Suzy's belongings were in the cellar in the PoW. No natural lighting, confined space, dark staircase.

If something happening to SL there, shes bound to have paniced, she was young and fit - fighting for her life?

 

[Cluesleuth]

The Sturgis 'hirer and firer', don't have DVs book at hand, maybe his intials are KP?

Yes thats KP I just wanted to confirm you didnt mean MS himself.

It was suggested that MG was having lunch with other managers KP's name was the only one that came up do you know if there were others?

I noted KP didnt work out of a sales office but out of executive office in Barnes, and when Suzy attended the interview with him it was him that placed her in a sales role at the Fulham branch.

Barnes Common was an area searched by police

 

[shadwell]

A bottle of champagne?

Were there any presentations of champagne for highest achieving sales negotiator/manager/office/ financial services referrals/ mortgage refferals of the month.

The ribbon on the bottle was a detail which caught my attention right at the off. In combination with talk of a £3k bonus it definitely had a strong “employee of the month” feel about it.

 

[shadwell]

In the tv Docu The Vanishing of Suzy Lamplugh JC speaking says Suzy asked him to get the keys for Shorrolds road she was going to do a quick showing and then go for lunch.

This is also an interesting detail.

 

[asyousay]

If she was going to do a quick viewing then that raises questions about POW theory.


The question remains though how did the keys end up back in the office if Suzy took them?


It would actually point to somebody in the office IMO

 

[Cluesleuth]

The ribbon on the bottle was a detail which caught my attention right at the off. In combination with talk of a £3k bonus it definitely had a strong “employee of the month” feel about it.

Were Crocodile Tears offering/selling champagne with Red white and blue ribbons that day in celebration of the Royal Wedding?

 

[shadwell]

If she was going to do a quick viewing then that raises questions about POW theory.


The question remains though how did the keys end up back in the office if Suzy took them?


It would actually point to somebody in the office IMO

So did someone actually tell DV that the keys ended up back in the office, or is it something he surmised?

 

[Crusader21]

JD speaks out on the SL case twice in one week?!

Suzy Lamplugh's killer 'could be caught if DNA in car is extracted'

A tiny sample was taken from a smudged print on the white Ford Fiesta after Suzy Lamplugh's disappearance - and now technology may be able to extract a profile to find the killer.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[WestLondoner]

The champagne bottle strikes me as an obvious fabrication prompted by all the cues given by the police. I say this because it's unreconcilable with HR's account. Not only does he not mention any bottle, his supposed Mr Kipper looks little like the other descriptions, and one of those described the man as scruffy, not smart. Was the champagne carrying man carrying glasses, too? If not how was the champagne going to be drunk? Was he going to serve it warm?

Somebody would have remembered if there was an employee of the month thing at Sturgis, and why you'd make any such presentation in a random street rather than in the office I can't think.

The £3,000 is a red herring, I'm sure. As we discussed above, your typical 80s estate agent charged 2 to 2.25% of the sale value as commission and the individual negotiator then got 15% of that. For SJL to be expecting a £3,000 commission, all she needed was for about four or five of her sales, at Shorrolds-ish money, to have completed that month. E.g. five properties at £190,000 each = £950,000; Sturgis charges £19,000; she gets 15% of that, which is £2,850. That's where her £3,000 commission comes from; in all probability it's just her paycheck, and as residential property has quiet periods and busy periods, her commissions would come in unevenly. She is supposed to have mentioned this commission the previous weekend; well, she would, because that was Saturday 26th, and payday would have been Thursday 31st. She would have got three or four such lumps a year, I guess.

It's interesting that the original source for SJL possibly being mixed up in property fraud turns out to be DL, who of course had no evidence for it. Maybe DL got this from Uri Geller, or some equally credible source.

 

[WestLondoner]

If she was going to do a quick viewing then that raises questions about POW theory.


The question remains though how did the keys end up back in the office if Suzy took them?


It would actually point to somebody in the office IMO

Exactly. It's all very well people claiming she took the keys, but in at least MG's case we know this can't have been true, and in every case, these accounts then need to explain how they were still in the office.

 

[Cluesleuth]

So did someone actually tell DV that the keys ended up back in the office, or is it something he surmised?

Its DV's theory that they never left the office

 

[WestLondoner]

So did someone actually tell DV that the keys ended up back in the office, or is it something he surmised?

He inferred it from MG's account. MG said he searched 37SR and this is why the police didn't until next day - it had already been checked. DV then asked how he and later the police got in, if SJL really went there with the keys, given there's no sign of the door being forced. They forced her own door open but they didn't force 37SR.

It could only mean 1/ she didn't take the keys or 2/ there were 2 sets kept separate, which MG and KP thought was extremely unlikely as it would mean remembering which properties they had two sets of keys for and keeping track of both. If they lost one they'd have to pay to replace all the locks.