UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #2

[asyousay]

Let’s also not forget DV doesn’t even have the courage of his own convictions and changed the landlords name.

So he obviously knew he had zero proof hence covering his arse. That’s why he won’t touch the celebrity couple as he knows he will get sued.

MOO

 

[Crusader21]

also not forgetting DV didn’t even have the courage of his convictions and changed the landlords name.

So he obviously knew he had zero proof hence covering his arse. That’s why he won’t touch the celebrity couple as he knows he will get sued.

MOO

'Courage of his convictions'? The acting landlord is publically named in AS book, so I don't know why DV changed his name, prob on legal advice.

DV must think the 'celebrity couple' have nothing to do with the disapperance, hence their omission from his book ....

 

[Crusader21]

Like DV you have allowed the PoW theory to consume you. It has rendered you incapable of assessing the evidence, its credibility, relevance and weight.

SL lost valuable items prior to going missing.

She received numerous phone calls on the morning she disappeared from the Prince of Wales pub Putney, telling her that property was there.

SL may well have used a ruse to cover her lunchtime absence in all likelihood, to retrieve these items immediately.

The acting landlord changed his story / gave a strange new account one year later.

Q. Why has the Pow never been searched?

 

[asyousay]

'Courage of his convictions'? The acting landlord is publically named in AS book, so I don't know why DV changed his name, prob on legal advice.

DV must think the 'celebrity couple' have nothing to do with the disapperance, hence their omission from his book ....

Oh he is simply scared of getting sued. Yes but AS book didn’t accuse him of murdering Suzy and putting her body on a railway embankment.

 

[Crusader21]

Oh he is simply scared of getting sued. Yes but AS book didn’t accuse him of murdering Suzy and putting her body on a railway embankment.

But DV hasn't accused CV of anything!!!

If you read DVs book, it paints a plausable and understandable picture of SL heading to the PoW to retrieve her items that day.

CV / KH was in charge when she arrived.

Much speculation here has centred on what happened to SL if she did indeed (IMO as looks likely), make it to the pub that lunchtime .....

 

[asyousay]

SL lost valuable items prior to going missing.

She received numerous phone calls on the morning she disappeared from the Prince of Wales pub Putney, telling her that property was there.

SL may well have used a ruse to cover her lunchtime absence in all likelihood, to retrieve these items immediately.

The acting landlord changed his story / gave a strange new account one year later.

Q. Why has the Pow never been searched?

There was never any evidence she was going to the POW so the police just don’t search
places when there isn’t a single bit of evidence.


CV was never seen as a suspect before this book came out as far as I’m aware?!

 

[Crusader21]

There was never any evidence she was going to the POW so the police just don’t search
places when there isn’t a single bit of evidence.


CV was never seen as a suspect before this book came out as far as I’m aware?!

So if you yourself lost some personal and financial items, learned where they were, you wouldn't go to retrieve them as soon as you could?!

Before DVs book on these very forums, KH was being discussed as a suspect. His marriage ending, his pub landlord career ending, moving out of London, criminal activity in the locality where he has resided since 1986, etc ....

 

[asyousay]

But DV hasn't accused CV of anything!!!

If you read DVs book, it paints a plausable and understandable picture of SL heading to the PoW to retrieve her items that day.

CV / KH was in charge when she arrived.

Much speculation here has centred on what happened to SL if she did indeed (IMO as looks likely), make it to the pub that lunchtime .....

We all know what DV is implying though- that’s just arguing semantics.


He thinks she is on the embankment at the back of the pub and CV did it. I have never understood where the wife was though because she was the last person to talk to Suzy on the phone.

Maybe she was in the loo as CV killed Suzy

So if you yourself lost some personal and financial items, learned where they were, you wouldn't go to retrieve them as soon as you could?!

Before DVs book on these very forums, KH was being discussed as a suspect. His marriage ending, his pub landlord career ending, moving out of London, criminal activity in the locality where he has resided since 1986, etc ....

She was going to retrieve them after work. It was literally a road over from where she lived so that’s the logical conclusion. Her Cheque book would of been cancelled so no worries there either.



ETA - didn’t CV in the 80’s come across as trustworthy to the police and AS?

 

[Crusader21]

Maybe she was in the loo as DV killed Suzy


Her Cheque book would of been cancelled so no worries there either.

Or maybe the wife wasn't on the premises at that time. Just KH and SL alone?

Was the chequebook cancelled? Or was it still active as SL was retriving it at lunchtime?

 

[Terryb808]

My problems with the POW theory are:

- the police attended the pub and interviewed the relief landlord the day after Suzy went missing and knew about his part in her story, i.e. he was known to them, the situation was known to them. He would have been considered. THey knew about the phone calls between him / his wife / Suzy / her bank, and they knew she had plans to go there and collect her items. This scenario would have been considered.

- it requires either a complex conspiracy (the relief landlord is part of a group of people who conspired to abduct Suzy through a complicated plot involving stealing a postcard, a chequebook and a pocket diary and then having the relief landlord pretend to find these items, call her bank and arrange for her bank to get them to call his wife at the pub at a time when a stock take was going on and the regular landlord might still be around. Or at the very least a conspiracy silence between a group of people to cover up either a spur of the moment, brutal killing or an accident as the relief landlord was not alone at the pub, his wife and probably other staff must have been there.

-- A body lying in a cellar under some rubble where people do and could access for decades is not that plausible, and if the body was moved in the small window of time that would have been available it would have been done with the knowledge of others, who amazingly kept silent about this horrific event for decades, every day being terrified that someone woudl find the body.

-- we are not privy to most of the evidence and intel that the detectives working on the case are

I don't know, when you break it down, it doesn't seem that convincing any more.
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The DV narrative depends totally on the PoW being closed that Monday, if it was then only CV & his partner would know about what happened.
If (to fit with DV’s theory) CV’s partner was out at the time only CV would know what really happened.
According to our discussions on this thread CV never mentioned what happened to the permanent landlord when he returned, which if true is odd.
Against DV’s narrative is that you don’t arrange for the audit to take place early and finish by 12.00 and then not reopen.
Also, as you point out having a decomposing body under your dining room floor is not good for business (very smelly).
With regular rat catcher inspections it’s extremely unlikely that SJL would have remained undetected for over 30 years.
On the other side of this coin is the railway embankment, it wouldn’t take much effort to move a body to this location and given the layout of the embankment it’s likely to have remained untouched since 1986.
Just my take on the PoW narrative, FWIW the railway embankment should be searched with dogs to eliminate the PoW as a location.

 

[asyousay]

Or maybe the wife wasn't on the premises at that time. Just KH and SL alone?

Was the chequebook cancelled? Or was it still active as SL was retriving it at lunchtime?

Didn’t Suzy know her items were missing when she arrived at work that day?

So the Cheque book would be cancelled as a matter of precaution i would of thought. Unless things were done differently in the 80’s?

 

[Terryb808]

Let’s also not forget DV doesn’t even have the courage of his own convictions and changed the landlords name.

So he obviously knew he had zero proof hence covering his arse. That’s why he won’t touch the celebrity couple as he knows he will get sued.

MOO

Unless you want to end up in court and paying out a lot of money in damages you won’t touch CV & will steer we’ll clear of the celeb couple. Everyone steers clear of them.

 

[asyousay]

Unless you want to end up in court and paying out a lot of money in damages you won’t touch CV & will steer we’ll clear of the celeb couple. Everyone steers clear of them.

This is just me and way I work. But if I was convinced somebody had gotten away with murder and had spent years writing a book then I would happily see CV in court because it would bring a-whole lot more publicity to the case and open Pandora’s box.

Also if CV didn’t take any action then that’s also suspicious.


ETA - I wouldn’t touch the celeb couple because I wouldn’t want to lose millions. But CV wouldn’t be a threat in the slightest!

 

[AfricanGrey]

Just a question which occurs to me, how do you know the PoW has never been searched?
My thoughts with regard to DV and his implied assertions are as follows.
On 25/7/2018 on a Radio 5 interview (can be found on Facebook) he says he is researching his new book and alleges he “perhaps knows where the body is and perhaps knows who the killer is”
In Finding Suzy he visits the PoW on 14/3/2019 and again on 8/5/2019.
If he was so sure there was a body there, why did he not go to the Police immediately?
Why did he go to the Press before contacting the Police? (Article in The Telegraph 23/6/2019)
According to his book, he made contact with the Police on 24/6/2019.
My question is surely the Police would have been duty bound to investigate whatever evidence he presented to them.
What also seems puzzling to me is that from June/July onwards, DV put various threads on twitter alleging he knows who killed SJL. He also takes part in a From the files podcast on 26/10/2019 in which he states he is confident that the investigation will move to a successful conclusion and someone will be prosecuted.
I have difficulty understanding why he now seems to say he doesn’t know what happened.
He also seems rather reluctant to take any further action.
The only reason I can think of is he is no longer quite so confident with his theory or he knows there is no body there.

 

[Crusader21]

There is no mention of the PoW ever being searched. Yes it appears that the police visited it to recover SLs items and briefy speak with CV.

Not sure of the exact dates, but DV said he researched this case for 2 full years then submitted a full file to the police with his findings.

Then, after a further full year of police inaction, he published his book last August (2021).


Could you imagine some time in the distant future, if partial human remains are discovered on the Pow site?

With the evidence pointing towards SL requiring to visit the POW that Monday. Plus a file submitted to the MET by a former cop / and an actual book published pinpointing this location. It would be embarrassing for the authorities to say the least ....

But would there then just be another enquiry and then an apology from the police?

 

[asyousay]

Just a question which occurs to me, how do you know the PoW has never been searched?
My thoughts with regard to DV and his implied assertions are as follows.
On 25/7/2018 on a Radio 5 interview (can be found on Facebook) he says he is researching his new book and alleges he “perhaps knows where the body is and perhaps knows who the killer is”
In Finding Suzy he visits the PoW on 14/3/2019 and again on 8/5/2019.
If he was so sure there was a body there, why did he not go to the Police immediately?
Why did he go to the Press before contacting the Police? (Article in The Telegraph 23/6/2019)
According to his book, he made contact with the Police on 24/6/2019.
My question is surely the Police would have been duty bound to investigate whatever evidence he presented to them.
What also seems puzzling to me is that from June/July onwards, DV put various threads on twitter alleging he knows who killed SJL. He also takes part in a From the files podcast on 26/10/2019 in which he states he is confident that the investigation will move to a successful conclusion and someone will be prosecuted.
I have difficulty understanding why he now seems to say he doesn’t know what happened.
He also seems rather reluctant to take any further action.
The only reason I can think of is he is no longer quite so confident with his theory or he knows there is no body there.

Some wonderful points

It’s great to see more posters not shallowing DV’s theory.

 

[Crusader21]

The only reason I can think of is he is no longer quite so confident with his theory or he knows there is no body there.

Who knows. You may be right .....

 

[asyousay]

There is no mention of the PoW ever being searched. Yes it appears that the police visited it to recover SLs items and briefy speak with CV.

Not sure of the exact dates, but DV said he researched this case for 2 full years then submitted a full file to the police with his findings.

Then, after a further full year of police inaction, he published his book last August (2021).


Could you imagine some time in the distant future, if partial human remains are discovered on the Pow site?

With the evidence pointing towards SL requiring to visit the POW that Monday. Plus a file submitted to the MET by a former cop / and an actual book published pinpointing this location. It would be embarrassing for the authorities to say the least ....

But would there then just be another enquiry and then an apology from the police?

There was multiple teams involved in investigating this case and multiple reviews over the years.


1) So was they all completely incompetent over the years?

2) The Met is now in some big conspiracy to cover up the real killer to save their pride?

3) So is Suzy’s family also in this cover up as they also want nothing to do with DV and his pet theory?

4) Are we meant to believe 1000’s of different officers over a 30 year period all failed to spot CV was lying and the real killer?

 

[Crusader21]

It appears DV is still sticking by what was published a year ago ....

Dying Suzy Lamplugh murder suspect ‘has no reason to deny involvement’

Former Scotland Yard investigator insists John Cannan never met murdered estate agent and is innocent

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Terryb808]

This is just me and way I work. But if I was convinced somebody had gotten away with murder and had spent years writing a book then I would happily see CV in court because it would bring a-whole lot more publicity to the case and open Pandora’s box.

Also if CV didn’t take any action then that’s also suspicious.


ETA - I wouldn’t touch the celeb couple because I wouldn’t want to lose millions. But CV wouldn’t be a threat in the slightest!

I tend to agree, my take on it is the injustice of getting away with a crime, so yes, if it could be proved, then why not go all the way.