UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #3

[asyousay]

IMO that's a very poor comment ....

Taken it out but the point stands this business was about making sales not filling in forms if she had gotten a phone call and a client said “ meet me in 35 mins” she is going to do that and worry about paperwork when she gets back.

It’s not like she hadn’t written down where was going. Her office looked at her diary and knew where she had gone that afternoon.

MOO

 

[Cluesleuth]

Not a ruse. A viewing for someone she was 'involved' with, that she wanted to keep low key. SJL was known to compartmentalise her life.

If we choose to stick with what was current that day.
Knowing she had had an argument with NH over which had the best buyer for a property It makes perfect sense that she would seek to put her buyer in best position when MG would have been called on to make a decision. We have discussed previously the competiveness and tactics negotiators use in these situations commission makes up a substantial part of a monthly target. This really is a factor that shouldnt be ignored.
I would be vert interested to know which property the disagreement was over and who SJL's buyer for was.
MOO

 

[Crusader21]

Taken it out but the point stands this business was about making sales not filling in forms if she had gotten a phone call and a client said “ meet me in 35 mins” she is going to do that and worry about paperwork when she gets back.

MOO

Thank you.

I'd like to hear people's theories, backed with credible thinking, who this mysterious Mr Kipper was.

So a 'new retained agent', a 'personal associate of SL'? I'm intrigued ....

 

[Whitehall 1212]

That's interesting speculation. Would you be able to expand on, with reasons why you've came up with this theory?

It's not my theory....it's the assessment of the Met and is the one that I agree with.

 

[Cluesleuth]

A long way - almost as far as the PoW was from the office. It was at Waldemar Avenue, which is east of her office and about 3/4 of the way from there to Stevenage Rd.

Two people at the pub reckon to have spoken to her. One was early, after she heard from the bank. It's not clear why there was a need for her to call again unless it was to change the arrangement after the Waldemar viewing was booked.

Dont forget the top entry of the diary 142 Wardo - Bike contract there no time allotted to this which indicates to me that it was supposed to happen at some stage in the day..
That could prove to be important.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

Thank you.

I'd like to hear people's theories, backed with credible thinking, who this mysterious Mr Kipper was.

So a 'new retained agent', a 'personal associate of SL'? I'm intrigued ....

JC, all day long.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

Dont forget the top entry of the diary 142 Wado - Bike contract there no time allotted to this which indicates to me that it was supposed to happen at some stage in the day..
That could prove to be important.

"Take Contract". Most likely as drop in the door when passing. I recall the the scheduled 18:00 viewing was nearby, so this may have been when SJL was intending to complete this task.

 

[asyousay]

I have no firm person who did this but I put a lot of value in the sighting of her in the car going towards Hammersmith with a man.BW knew her and she also noticed the hat on the back of the boot shelf.

So I believe she met a Client and was lured away under the pretense of the client wanting to see other properties in the area.

IMO

 

[Cluesleuth]

Thank you.

I'd like to hear people's theories, backed with credible thinking, who this mysterious Mr Kipper was.

So a 'new retained agent', a 'personal associate of SL'? I'm intrigued ....

Retained agents are people like BW .. they act as househunters for prospective buyers who dont have the time to look themselves. We know SJL and negotiators worked with them. When an estate agent is instructed to place a property on the market the negotiator will arrange to show the the house to their retained agents as well as their own clients.

 

[WestLondoner]

In doing so effectively preventing JC from ever receiving a fair trial, and saying JC is guilty, no jury would be able to forget this statement.

If you do a Google image search for "John Cannan", the first four hits all mention SJL in the caption, and she herself appears in the second row.

It was an extraordinary claim for the police to make when they can't even show JC had ever been to Fulham.

I really do think we need a change of the law in this area. It shouldn't be legal for the police, constructively or explicitly, to announce that someone has murdered someone, while presenting no evidence. In other cases, they've constructively done the same thing and demonstrable public harm arises. In the case of, say, Rachel Nickell, after the judge threw their disgraceful case against Colin Stagg out, the police huffily remarked that they weren't looking for anyone else. Nobody could take this as meaning anything other than that Stagg did it and the stupid judge had let him off.

Women who had small children and who followed the news might therefore have imagined that it was safe to be around Robert Napper, the actual killer for whom the police were not looking. Leaving aside the harm done to the hapless Stagg, saying someone who's innocent is a killer allows the real killer to carry on doing what he does.

 

[Cluesleuth]

"Take Contract". Most likely as drop in the door when passing. I recall the the scheduled 18:00 viewing was nearby, so this may have been when SJL was intending to complete this task.

No it says 'Bike Contract' that suggests that a bike courier was being used.
Wardo Av is 3 mins by car from Stevenage rd

Stevenage Road to Wardo Avenue

www.google.co.uk

 

[WestLondoner]

Correct, and it doesn't mean she or anyone else had to go to 142 Wardo. It could equally mean they had been appointed sales agents and the contract needed to biked there or to the seller's solicitors.

 

[Crusader21]

Retained agents are people like BW .. they act as househunters for prospective buyers who dont have the time to look themselves. We know SJL and negotiators worked with them. When an estate agent is instructed to place a property on the market the negotiator will arrange to show the the house to their retained agents as well as their own clients.

If SL was meeting someone like BW, then why didn't she put '12.45 37 Shorrolds Rd BW o/s'?

Why 'Mr Kipper'?

Why be secretive, after all that desk diary was her own and sat on her own desk ....

 

[asyousay]

If you do a Google image search for "John Cannan", the first four hits all mention SJL in the caption, and she herself appears in the second row.

It was an extraordinary claim for the police to make when they can't even show JC had ever been to Fulham.

I really do think we need a change of the law in this area. It shouldn't be legal for the police, constructively or explicitly, to announce that someone has murdered someone, while presenting no evidence. In other cases, they've constructively done the same thing and demonstrable public harm arises. In the case of, say, Rachel Nickell, after the judge threw their disgraceful case against Colin Stagg out, the police huffily remarked that they weren't looking for anyone else. Nobody could take this as meaning anything other than that Stagg did it and the stupid judge had let him off.

Women who had small children and who followed the news might therefore have imagined that it was safe to be around Robert Napper, the actual killer for whom the police were not looking. Leaving aside the harm done to the hapless Stagg, saying someone who's innocent is a killer allows the real killer to carry on doing what he does.

Wonderful post and I wholeheartedly agree.

 

[Cluesleuth]

Correct, and it doesn't mean she or anyone else had to go to 142 Wardo. It could equally mean they had been appointed sales agents and the contract needed to biked there or to the seller's solicitors.

Thats right.
I would like to have more information about that particular contract. Was the contract picked up from Sturgis that day and if SJL had contact with the bike courier?

 

[Crusader21]

It's not my theory....it's the assessment of the Met and is the one that I agree with.

OK. Though having followed this case I don't understand how the Met have come up with this theory.

Perhaps this is shrouded in the police know a heck of a lot more than the general public do?

 

[Cluesleuth]

If SL was meeting someone like BW, then why didn't she put '12.45 37 Shorrolds Rd BW o/s'?

Why 'Mr Kipper'?

Why be secretive, after all that desk diary was her own and sat on her own desk ....

I only used BW as an example as she was a retained agent.

I know people think Kipper is an odd name but there are people out there with the name. So to me Mr Kipper isnt strange as in a name. Its wether the appointment was false or not.

 

[Cluesleuth]

If you do a Google image search for "John Cannan", the first four hits all mention SJL in the caption, and she herself appears in the second row.

It was an extraordinary claim for the police to make when they can't even show JC had ever been to Fulham.

I really do think we need a change of the law in this area. It shouldn't be legal for the police, constructively or explicitly, to announce that someone has murdered someone, while presenting no evidence. In other cases, they've constructively done the same thing and demonstrable public harm arises. In the case of, say, Rachel Nickell, after the judge threw their disgraceful case against Colin Stagg out, the police huffily remarked that they weren't looking for anyone else. Nobody could take this as meaning anything other than that Stagg did it and the stupid judge had let him off.

Women who had small children and who followed the news might therefore have imagined that it was safe to be around Robert Napper, the actual killer for whom the police were not looking. Leaving aside the harm done to the hapless Stagg, saying someone who's innocent is a killer allows the real killer to carry on doing what he does.

I agree

 

[Crusader21]

If you do a Google image search for "John Cannan", the first four hits all mention SJL in the caption, and she herself appears in the second row.

It was an extraordinary claim for the police to make when they can't even show JC had ever been to Fulham.

Can someone explain why (quite rightly so), you cannot accuse people of murder without being prsecuted via liable laws in courts. Yet the police can openly and repeatly accuse JC of this murder?

A claim that has been repeated by so many docs, publications etc.

Is there a 'parlimentary privileage' type thing in place for the police? If so, I agree that is wrong and should be removed ....

 

[Whitehall 1212]

I have no firm person who did this but I put a lot of value in the sighting of her in the car going towards Hammersmith with a man.BW knew her and she also noticed the hat on the back of the boot shelf.

So I believe she met a Client and was lured away under the pretense of the client wanting to see other properties in the area.

IMO

The witness BW, who reported seeing the vehicle towards Hammersmith claimed she knew SLJ. She sounded very vague in the TV clip of her being interviewed by a journalist. Four things stood out for me:

1. BW said was unsure if it was SJL's car as they are "very common"
2. The woman in the car had her head turned away from the BW
3. If SJL had changed her hair colour only three days before did BW know this/seen her since Friday? If not and she describes SJL's hair colour as dark brown or similar, and doesn't see the drivers face, it's throws significant doubt on this BW's evidence.
4. BW said she didn't look at the man in the passenger seat. My contention is, if a woman you thought you knew was in a car with a man you would have a look at the man that 'SJL' is with!

I have doubts over whether this 'sighting' ever took place.

I firmly believe that SJL knew her abductor/murderer. Such an abduction on a working day at lunch time in a London street would be exceptionally risky for a complete stranger without significant chance of being witnessed and the police being called or people intervening. A victim who knows the offender is much more likely to enter a house, car, go to a quiet place with the offender, affording him the luxury of choosing his moment to attack, when she is most vulnerable and he is most protected from external interference.

JC's three known abductions/attempted abductions of women in motor vehicles all took place in quiet areas later in the evening. For me JC is the only suspect and therefore I believe in this instance that he must have known SJL to abduct her without a trace.

MOO