UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #4

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

We can't (and wouldn't want to) victim blame on this site but it's often indicated that SJL was a confident and forthright person to say the least. Going back to her stuff being located at the PoW, is it at all possible she may have gone there to collect her stuff and someone decided to take her down a peg or two? There are some sick people in this world who don't like confident, bright, forthright young women.

 

[Terryb808]

We can't (and wouldn't want to) victim blame on this site but it's often indicated that SJL was a confident and forthright person to say the least. Going back to her stuff being located at the PoW, is it at all possible she may have gone there to collect her stuff and someone decided to take her down a peg or two? There are some sick people in this world who don't like confident, bright, forthright young women.

If you believe what’s been said about her and the fact she’s likely to have been the sort of person that “calls a spade a spade” as they say. Your conclusions are spot on, it may have been in DV’s thoughts and part of a motive he may have submitted to the Met in his file.

 

[WestLondoner]

That's interesting, thanks. I don't know why so many people here try to deny things that have evidence. Maybe they've never read as much into the case as they claim, or maybe they have other motives, such as trying to get people to believe other theories in a book.

I don't think it's a question of people wanting to sell someone else's theory. It's more that this case is unsolved, the police case is speculative and unpersuasive in terms of evidence that's out there, and meanwhile, there is a place SJL definitely intended to go that was never searched.

Unidentified persons' belief that JC looks like Mr Kipper isn't evidence, and is easily debunked. If the case were any better than it seems, he would have been charged by now.

 

[asyousay]

She did intend to visit the POW but that evening and she vanished at lunchtime. There was never any evidence she made it to the pub. You can’t search a place without a shred of evidence.

 

[RichardKimble]

She did intend to visit the POW but that evening and she vanished at lunchtime. There was never any evidence she made it to the pub. You can’t search a place without a shred of evidence.

The unsuccessful digs suggest you can.

 

[RichardKimble]

@Whitehall 1212 the recent searches for Keith Bennetts remains were from what exactly ?

 

[WestLondoner]

She did intend to visit the POW but that evening and she vanished at lunchtime. There was never any evidence she made it to the pub. You can’t search a place without a shred of evidence.

Circular argument though. If you don't investigate possibilities, obviously you don't gather evidence. There was no evidence Robert Napper killed Rachel Nickell either, until there was.

 

[asyousay]

Circular argument though. If you don't investigate possibilities, obviously you don't gather evidence. There was no evidence Robert Napper killed Rachel Nickell either, until there was.

Well they did question the acting landlord and the wife and there was nothing suspicious found. They even went back a year later if i remember correctly to speak to CV.

 

[asyousay]

The unsuccessful digs suggest you can.

There would have been a review of evidence to do the digs. Do you have proof that no evidence was provided as that would he quite a waste of funds and would need looking into?

 

[WestLondoner]

The evidence would be a syllogism.

Cannan's a bad man
This place is linked to Cannan
Therefore SJL is buried in this place.

It's essentially the same as the argument that Cannan was in Fulham on 28/7 - he was a bad man.

 

[WestLondoner]

Well they did question the acting landlord and the wife and there was nothing suspicious found. They even went back a year later if i remember correctly to speak to CV.

There was nothing suspicious about the house Leah Croucher's remains have been found in, either. Nobody answered the door, so she can't have been in there.

Likewise, the landlord told the police SJL never turned up. So that's all right then.

 

[asyousay]

There was nothing suspicious about the house Leah Croucher's remains have been found in, either. Nobody answered the door, so she can't have been in there.

Likewise, the landlord told the police SJL never turned up. So that's all right then.

SL was seen in other locations and not only that it matched her diary entry. That holds a lot more water than DV claims who has also gone completely silent on his so called claims.

 

[WestLondoner]

SL was seen in other locations and not only that it matched her diary entry. That holds a lot more water than DV claims who has also gone completely silent on his so called claims.

She was not definitely anywhere after she left the office. HR never claimed to have seen her. BW, who did, was dismissed by the police.

If the police search for the Yorkshire Ripper had focused on Cornwall or Scotland, there would not have been a shred of evidence he was from Bradford.

 

[PPowell]

If you believe what’s been said about her and the fact she’s likely to have been the sort of person that “calls a spade a spade” as they say. Your conclusions are spot on, it may have been in DV’s thoughts and part of a motive he may have submitted to the Met in his file.

People keep saying John Cannan wasn't charged as the Crime Prosecution Service felt there wasn't enough evidence, but does anybody think the David Videcette alternative theories could be classed as having more evidence?

 

[Terryb808]

She did intend to visit the POW but that evening and she vanished at lunchtime. There was never any evidence she made it to the pub. You can’t search a place without a shred of evidence.

There’s no concrete evidence as to where she went after she left the office.

The police have searched numerous properties over the years without any evidence that SJL actually went to them.

 

[Terryb808]

People keep saying John Cannan wasn't charged as the Crime Prosecution Service felt there wasn't enough evidence, but does anybody think the David Videcette alternative theories could be classed as having more evidence?

IMO the simple answer based on reading his book is no.
However, like the polices actual complete evidence file, we don’t have access to either that or the file file DV gave the Met.
On the basis of what is in the public domain there’s no evidence which can be deemed concrete that outlines what happened to SJL.

 

[RichardKimble]

There would have been a review of evidence to do the digs. Do you have proof that no evidence was provided as that would he quite a waste of funds and would need looking into?

Why do I need proof, I'm but just a poster on a web site, I comment to what I see, numerous digs turning up nothing might well suggest the evidence is flawed, does that therefore suggest what they have on JC might also be flawed ? especially seeing as the CPS say no link between the two (JC and SL) can be found .

 

[asyousay]

Why do I need proof, I'm but just a poster on a web site, I comment to what I see, numerous digs turning up nothing might well suggest the evidence is flawed, does that therefore suggest what they have on JC might also be flawed ? especially seeing as the CPS say no link between the two (JC and SL) can be found .

Do you have a link where the CPS Said there is no link between the two?

 

[WestLondoner]

Do you have a link where the CPS Said there is no link between the two?

It's been posted previously, either in this thread or the previous. A CPS lawyer said the police need to show a connection between SJL and JC. For all there's a circumstantial case, it falters on the issue that there's no evidence they ever met.

The obvious issue with such a case is that if it ever went to court, the defence would just say OK, how does the jury know you couldn't also concoct a similar case against any old Tom, Dick or Harry? Who else did you try to make this fit, apart from my client? if I can show a similar circumstantial case against Orville the Duck, will the police then dig up Keith Harris's mother's garage?

There are the usual errors in this article but the last paragraph does sum up the problems quite well.

...police held a press conference in connection with the Lamplugh case. Despite previous assurances from the crown prosecution service that Cannan's solicitors would be kept informed of events, they had no knowledge of the conference...."Because we had no prior knowledge of the announcement, we were effectively denied the opportunity of responding at that time on his behalf."...when the police were appealing for more evidence, it was not concerning potential suspects but solely in relation to John Cannan. It was unprecedented for such an appeal to be made on national television in circumstances where the CPS had advised there was insufficient evidence to proceed.

 

[WestLondoner]

IMO the simple answer based on reading his book is no.
However, like the polices actual complete evidence file, we don’t have access to either that or the file file DV gave the Met.
On the basis of what is in the public domain there’s no evidence which can be deemed concrete that outlines what happened to SJL.

The evidence he doesn't have is stuff that should have been gathered 36 years ago by others. Demanding evidence is making an obviously impossible ask. DV's approach is best understood as noting that there are only so many places SJL could have been going that day, and the most obvious one has never been searched.

Personally I doubt she's under the floor. If that is what happened she might have been put there pro tem, but she's more likely to be on the railway embankment. There's no public access to it, so a body placed there would be unlikely to be disturbed, and if it were there's a good chance enough time would have elapsed to muddy the waters as to who put her there.

I don't see how it's possible to search the embankment. I am guessing it's illegal to fly drones anywhere near trains (sure ought to be, if it's not).