UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #5

[Terryb808]

You have brought that up. Re KH the only way would be a personal visit but as a prolific criminal JT may well have had his mugshot in the paper at some point. Maybe LSW can weigh in on this...

I’ve only looked using BNA for both, very little on Taggert, nothing on KH.

 

[tes1984]

An article in The Express two months ago, mentions that police have DNA from a smudged fingerprint in Suzy's car.
It's only a partial profile, but Jim Dickie (who ran the Lamplugh enquiry from 2000-06) claims that forensic experts are using technology to grow the DNA in a lab.

 

[Officer Dibble]

An article in The Express two months ago, mentions that police have DNA from a smudged fingerprint in Suzy's car.
It's only a partial profile, but Jim Dickie (who ran the Lamplugh enquiry from 2000-06) claims that forensic experts are using technology to grow the DNA in a lab.

Hi Tes, we have to link MSN we refer to so here is the link to what you mention. Thanks for the heads up on this, I had no idea. 'Keep killer in jail plea' as Suzy Lamplugh cops grow DNA in lab

 

[WestLondoner]

Interesting how poor the MSM are on this, when you know anything about it.

A man believed to be Cannan was seen getting out of a taxi by a witness in Fulham Broadway the morning Suzy, right, disappeared.
The man was seen the day before looking through a nearby estate agency window by another witness.

These claimed sightings came in fourteen years later on reinvestigation. They were in response to public police appeals, almost in as many words, for more dirt on Cannan. They are of no probative value.

Their main use is to the police, in making it look like they had no reason to suspect Cannan until fourteen years later. That long after the fact, it's obviously not their fault they can't nick him. So that's all right then.

This conveniently glosses over the question of why they didn't think about tracing sex offenders recently released from HMP Wormwood, Wandsworth or Brixton a bit earlier. Like in August 1986. These prisons jointly hold about 5% of the UK prison population. In 1986 they would have been releasing about 200 rapists a year. In the year to the end of July 1986, they'd have released about 120 such, including Cannan.

Mr Dickie said: “He was quite uncomfortable as he had no alibi.”

Well, that's not really true. He offered an alibi, it just wasn't checked. By the time someone thought checking it might be a good shout, the providers of his alibi had died. That is not the same as having no alibi.

 

[duquesne]

Interestingly, Barry George of Jill Dando fame did 18 months for attempted rape and was released in September 1984. He's also from the same area of London as SJL. It does show how long a list you can assemble of known sex offenders in west London and in turn it makes wonder if any besides JC were ever seriously looked at.

didn't he live at 1 or 2 Crookham Rd? literally 50m away from the Sturgis office

(lived there for over 10yrs before his arrest according the the DM, and was living there for certain when married in '89
Twisted loner who lived in a fantasy world )

 

[tes1984]

The MSM often have their reasons to present things in a certain way!

The Metropolitan Police have a poor record when it comes to the biggest and most known cases.

Railway rapists - lose the forensics, allowing David Mulchahy to remain at large for another decade.
Dennis Nilsen - fail to investigate Nilsen, despite an escaped victim taking them to Nilsen's front door.
Lynda Farrow - lose all the forensic evidence.
Andrew Gosden - wait three weeks to ask for CCTV from the abduction scene.
London Nightstalker - take a DNA sample from the wrong Delroy Grant, allowing Grant to remain at large for another decade.
Rachel Nickel/Green Chain rapes - arrest the wrong man, using a weird undercover honeytrap. Fail to investigate a statement from the mother of Robert Napper (the actual killer and serial rapist).
Jill Dando - fail to secure the crime scene.

 

[WestLondoner]

You might also have added Daniel Morgan to that list...

"We believe the Metropolitan police’s first objective was to protect itself" - nail / head interface IMO

 

[RichardKimble]

Well, that's not really true. He offered an alibi, it just wasn't checked. By the time someone thought checking it might be a good shout, the providers of his alibi had died. That is not the same as having no alibi.

Concerning alibis Justice Goose had this to say in the summing up of Ashley Dale murder trial.Ive taken the guys name out.Applies to any one with an alibi imo.


Since it is for the prosecution to prove guilt, he does not have to prove his alibi.

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[RichardKimble]

Perhaps JC reads WS and saw about alibis.

Suzy Lamplugh murder suspect's desperate plea as he insists 'I have an alibi'

Convicted rapist and murderer John Cannan claims that, on the day Suzy disappeared, he was treating his mother to lunch and has accused the police of prejudice against him

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[StillDiggin]

Suzy Lamplugh murder suspect denies killing her in letter from prison

John Cannan, 69, sent a handwritten note stating that he had not been in London but was in Birmingham 'treating my mother to a spot of lunch' on the day Miss Lamplugh went missing.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Terryb808]

Suzy Lamplugh murder suspect denies killing her in letter from prison

John Cannan, 69, sent a handwritten note stating that he had not been in London but was in Birmingham 'treating my mother to a spot of lunch' on the day Miss Lamplugh went missing.

www.dailymail.co.uk

As usual the press quotes are inaccurate and wrong.
While I have no sympathy for JC it has to be said that his point regarding the police having no real evidence against him is accurate (based on what’s in the public domain).
They didn’t check his alibi and as they never looked at recent sex criminal releases missed the boat at the time.
Now it’s far too late to rule him in or out of the case, he’s never going to tell the truth and his constant lies in the past make anything he says questionable.

 

[tes1984]

Very peculiar that the police named JC as prime suspect for SJL. Can we think of any other cases where a suspect has been named before even being charged?

He's a suspect for Sandra Court. Yet there's no forensic evidence against him.
Same with the unsolved houses for sale rapes. Seemingly no forensics whatsoever in that series...

 

[RichardKimble]

Very peculiar that the police named JC as prime suspect for SJL. Can we think of any other cases where a suspect has been named before even being charged?

He's a suspect for Sandra Court. Yet there's no forensic evidence against him.
Same with the unsolved houses for sale rapes. Seemingly no forensics whatsoever in that series...

But never named has prime suspect in the Court case.

 

[duquesne]

His problem is that he used his mother's house as an alibi at least once, if not twice before, and it turned out to be proven false, correct? So.. for him, if he's telling the truth this time, it's 'The Boy that Cried Wolf'. Otherwise he is lying again & thus is happy that the witnesses have passed on. Perhaps he should have gotten it in writing and witnessed by a notary public?

 

[Terryb808]

His problem is that he used his mother's house as an alibi at least once, if not twice before, and it turned out to be proven false, correct? So.. for him, if he's telling the truth this time, it's 'The Boy that Cried Wolf'. Otherwise he is lying again & thus is happy that the witnesses have passed on. Perhaps he should have gotten it in writing and witnessed by a notary public?

Didn’t he say he was with his sister shopping in Birmingham, then she has said he used the wrong day and he wasn’t with her.
He’s done such things before, mixing different days to make an alibi.
His sister (AFAIK) has said she thinks he’s guilty, that say a lot.

 

[WestLondoner]

To her credit, his sister probably disowned him. I think my sister would if I had raped and murdered someone.

The house for sale rapes are very interesting because there would surely be witnesses to this who could describe the perp, yet we never hear whether whoever this was looked like Cannan. It's accusation by insinuation, in effect.

Whether he did this or not, I don't think people like him should ever be allowed out. I don't see what society gains by letting him out that’s worth it.

 

[tes1984]

But never named has prime suspect in the Court case.

Depending on which sources are to be relied on, there may be DNA in the future in the Court and Lamplugh cases.

The Lamplugh case is a complete mess though whichever way you look at it.
Naming a suspect who the CPS has refused to charge prejudices any future trial (whether Cannan or anyone else).

 

[RichardKimble]

DBM.

 

[RichardKimble]

Depending on which sources are to be relied on, there may be DNA in the future in the Court and Lamplugh cases.

The Lamplugh case is a complete mess though whichever way you look at it.
Naming a suspect who the CPS has refused to charge prejudices any future trial (whether Cannan or anyone else).

Ch4 Docu "In the footsteps of killers" JD tells Amelia Fox why JC wouldn't receive a fair trial. 21 mins in.

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[WestLondoner]

Despite which we had Whitehall here insisting that a fair trial would indeed be possible.

With hindsight, naming him was a police admission of defeat. You only trash the prospect of a fair trial if you're 100% sure there is no chance of any trial at all.