UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #5

[NorthParade]

Yes, I despicable character all told, I say a transcript of “Have I Got News For You” with Jim & Paul Merton.
Paul clearly knew all about him, pull no punches, I honestly don’t know how they managed to get enough clean material to get the show out.
That was long before he died, if Paul knew, why wasn’t he prosecuted.

Savile was vile, and I don’t doubt there is much we still don’t know about his crimes. That said, I believe it’s been confirmed that the ’HIGNFY transcript’ is a fake, albeit a very plausible one.

 

[Terryb808]

Savile was vile, and I don’t doubt there is much we still don’t know about his crimes. That said, I believe it’s been confirmed that the ’HIGNFY transcript’ is a fake, albeit a very plausible one.

Must admit it was good, very very in Paul Mertons style.

 

[Crusader21]

I used to moderate football fans forums and a there was a debate once (again long before he died), on Saville's (then alledged) behaviour.

The football debate followed on from a re-run of a Top of the Pops tv show hosted by Saville, who very oddly, was wearing a half Rangers, half Celtic football shirt!

Anyway, for legal reasons, we had to censor and remove many parts of the debate and warn posters. Those contributors claimed Saville's behaviour was 'common knowledge'! Yet as Terry said, JS had never been brought to book for any of his crimes ....

Have a look yourself at one of the clips from that particualar programme, which was first aired in 1976!

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[Pinkizzy]

Some have linked JS to the Yorkshire Ripper

 

[RichardKimble]

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[WestLondoner]

Some have linked JS to the Yorkshire Ripper

Indeed

Savile and Sutcliffe shared a taste for the same sort of banter

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

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'anything I can get my hands on'

'I know I am...'

'YES'

OMG talk about hiding in plain sight, it's abhorrent and every person who had any form of collaboration, alliance, friendship, with him should have been monitored urgently.

 

[WestLondoner]

The girl he's assaulting in the TotP video looks about 15 to me.

 

[Crusader21]

The girl he's assaulting in the TotP video looks about 15 to me.

She was 18 then ...

Jimmy Savile victim opens up on being groped by beast live on Top of the Pops

Londoner Sylvia Edwards, 63, was filmed on camera during an edition of the music show as late host Jimmy Savile continuously grabbed at her.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk

 

[WestLondoner]

Yes, there was a minimum age for the audience I think. So she couldn't be 15, but of course he picks the one who looks like she is. She can't pull away because of the girls to her right and behind her.

 

[RichardKimble]

I'm sure, I'll rephrase that, I'd like to think that would not happen today, not that it should have before but there seemed to be at least three presenters who abused their position, Saville, Harris and Hall.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I'm sure, I'll rephrase that, I'd like to think that would not happen today, not that it should have before but there seemed to be at least three presenters who abused their position, Saville, Harris and Hall.

And a currently on TV one who has been clearly identified as grooming a youngster / work experience person. Plus all the other notable people there’s been decades of talk about at least one of whom left the country in a hurry. Seems people remain untouchable.

 

[lee sumner]

Agree (and welcome to the discussion BTW). However, as DV points out, you really would think someone would have asked MG and colleague how they had got into the property to look for SJL if she really had gone there taking the keys. There is not a single contemporary mention of there being multiple sets, it wasn't normal practice to have more than one, and if there were still a set in the office, who was it who asserted that this was the extra set out of two that they had for that property? Who swore to that off the top of their head?

The next problem is that HR did not say he saw SJL; he said he saw a blonde and a man who was about 5'8" or 9" emerging from the house. It was the police who said this was SJL. How were they emerging if she didn't have the keys? If she did, well, did she leave any prints? The perp could have walked around not touching anything, but someone had to open doors, and if it wasn't him, it was her. Yet we never hear that there was fingerprint evidence proving a visit by her. If there are no prints then she was never inside, which means HR cannot have seen her emerging.

The other witness usually cited, ND, said he saw a couple but it could have been 4pm. HR identified a 44-year-old Belgian as Mr Kipper. Taken together it looks IMO like HR has no idea what he saw or when he saw it, and that ND probably saw the search party, MG and colleague, not SJL herself.

Another strike against the involvement of the 5'8" man supposedly seen outside is that the Fiesta's seat was found pushed all the way back. A man of that height would not need to do this IMO. If he did, then given that this is the average male height, it would mean that 50% of males would find the front seat of a Fiesta cramped. From what I recall of small cars, the front seats fit anyone and it's the occasional seats in the back where space is saved. So the driver of the car probably wasn't anyone of the height of the man supposedly seen outside 37SR.

Cannan was never put on an ID parade and the case against him (that the CPS does not buy) consists of insinuation and perfect recall decades after the fact. The only bit of "evidence" that he was involved is the opinion of some police officers that one of the artists' sketches looks like him.

not just the E FIT. JC putting SLP, on shirley banks car is what convinced me he was mr kipper, and he confessed to DS mike barley, but then shut down interview. now i think he could be playing mind games, and is trying to take credit for her kidnap and murder.

 

[Crusader21]

The above clip of JS abusing a young girl on camera and shown on BBC1 speaks volumes of how untouchable he actually was. He is so confident that he won't be brought to book.

Obviously people knew, yet nothing was ever done?!

'It was good while it lasted'. Perhaps a mocking epitaph to have?

Where is Jimmy Savile's grave and what is written on it?

PAEDOPHILE Jimmy Savile was one of Britain’s most recognisable broadcasters, presenting Top Of The Pops and Jim’ll Fix It. But revelations over the gruesome extent of Savile’s crimes after hi…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[lee sumner]

I would *really* badly love to know what all of SJL's former work colleagues, associates, friends, boyfriends, lovers, house mate, neighbours, local contacts and everyone who was part of her life back then thinks about this crime now after all these years. Now that her parents are deceased and such time has gone by with no leads and new information and not a trace of SJL, what are their thoughts after all this time?

It would be so interesting to know their private thoughts, feelings, and speculations with hindsight. I can't imagine what everyone in the Sturgis office said about it, they must have surely debated it to death, wondering and speculating - how would you ever stop? I wonder if anyone had any secret ideas they've never divulged?

My SO used to be a freelance documentary maker - she used to make salacious documentaries about Restoration actress-tarts and what not. It is very hard. You need the right contact to pitch your idea, and your idea needs to be very well elaborated when you do, otherwise if it's a good one, there's a strong chance it simply gets nicked and they say it was their idea and yours was just similar.

You've also got to give them a rough production cost, which it's in your own interest for it to stick to because her production fee was typically 15% of that. If the cost doubles you don't get twice the money, you may not even get the original 15%.

Well, the police are able to rustle up people who can remember 30 years later and with perfect recall that they saw Cannan looking in Sturgis' window at 3pm on Sunday 27th July 1986. Personally I'd check their perfect recall by asking them who was on Top of the Pops on Thursday 31 July. It's not as long ago as the Sunday, so if they can remember the Sunday they should be able to remember Thursday. It's on the basis of stuff like this that the police reckon he dunnit. So your docu would just need a few such talking heads.

a witness seen JC looking through the window of sturgis on a sunday. the office would not be open on a sunday,yet DCI jim dickie believes these BS statements.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

And oh boy it lasted all the way to a knighthood and dignified death.

I believe god can deal with him

 

[lee sumner]

Okay, not their MO, but they were experimenting at the time. According to general info, they were certainly capable of abducting someone in broad daylight without a fuss.
Didn’t one of them own a motorcycle and work as a bike currier for a time? Also, one of the has an uncanny resemblance to the taxi drivers James Galway man

 

[lee sumner]

david mulcahy owned a motorbike. they used it in the abduction of marty tambozer. they used it to travel towards horsley, parked up the bike, then stashed there helmets in bushes, then took a train the rest of the way to horsley.

 

[WestLondoner]

I'm sure, I'll rephrase that, I'd like to think that would not happen today, not that it should have before but there seemed to be at least three presenters who abused their position, Saville, Harris and Hall.

There was also Dave Lee Travis. John Peel married a 15-year-old child in America, and then there's Jonathan King and 14- and 15-year-old boys.

not just the E FIT. JC putting SLP, on shirley banks car is what convinced me he was mr kipper, and he confessed to DS mike barley, but then shut down interview. now i think he could be playing mind games, and is trying to take credit for her kidnap and murder.

The trouble is that it is totally speculative. What is the 386 supposed to mean? I don't really buy that this means "three killings in '86", because as far as we know, Cannan has only killed once.

Another way of looking at it is that he intended to use the car to lay a false trail re SB to a fictitious person. When found and identified with those plates, it would point to SB's abductor having previously killed SJL. He had an alibi for SJL, therefore he'd have an alibi for both. In the conversation with MB, he was trying to tell him he'd bought the car already looking like that from a bloke called Hodgeson.

So yes, he expected the plates to incriminate. But because he's a great big twit, it was still in his own garage when found. Thus, and not at all as planned, it pointed to himself.

 

[RichardKimble]

So yes, he expected the plates to incriminate. But because he's a great big twit, it was still in his own garage when found. Thus, and not at all as planned, it pointed to himself.

He's supposed to have got away with killing SJL according to some quarters, but yet later he was either too stupid or cocky to hang on to stuff linking him to SB,