UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #6

[WestLondoner]

Recollections over time in general get unclear . Our minds remember events and chunks of information but rarely word for word conversations and exact visual details and precise times .

CV's later recollection of the phone calls from / about SJL during 28th are an example of this. When someone rang the pub, asked if "Susan" were there and said to keep her there if she turned up, what says this call had anything to do with SJL? Why can't it have been a wrong number, or about something else, or misremembered from a different day? Did anyone called Susan work at the PoW?

I'm still gobsmacked that the police never searched the pub on Monday 28th July. They searched 123SR and 37SR, the former a place there was no reason to think she had intended to go, but they never searched the other place they did know she was heading? FFS!

 

[su5ie]

On the matter of the car, I'm increasingly of the view that WJ may be right and that the scenario we discussed a few pages up is what happened. That is, SJL went to 123SR and left immediately, and A N Other returned later to remove evidence from her car. He opened the driver door using her keys, pushed the seat back to retrieve something, then left, having not actually driven it.

This still leaves the problem of the BW sighting, which no theory accepts as true even though of all sightings it's likeliest to be.

Incidentally, it is sometimes said that Kipper must have been a genuine appointment because SJL was never known to fake an appointment. The trouble with this is that Kipper appointment itself demonstrably was fake, because the agency knew of no Mr. Kipper i.e. she made him up.

Suzy was also known as a good time keeper and never slacked of work so a lot of things she did that morning were off key for her IF she put in a fake diary entry .
Another thing that came across as conflicting for me was an article I read about Dr pam and her arriving at DLs on the Tuesday very upset ( please don't ask me to find it lol see below )
This to me is natural if some evidence is there that suzy has been hurt even mr and mrs L were not too anxious about suzy at that stage they had thought suzy j had prehaps bumped her head and had amnesia but the heel of the hunt is
she states she was to meet suzy for lunch at 1pm on the Monday and if she had have stuck to the lunch date suzy would not be missing. This raises two red flags for me . Firstly Sturgis didn't have a particular time for lunch so how could suzy have given a time, secondly when was it cancelled? This would give more guidance as to when suzy took the 12 .45 appointment and if pam spoke to her that morning would it not add credence to the diary entry and prehaps a better timeline of when suzy took the call for the appointment with Mr kipper
If she knew at say 11 why didn't she say anything to her co workers or fill out more details. And if pam cancelled last minute . Did Mr kipper ring at the last minute too . Bit of a coincidence. I would like to find out more about this lunch date . But I trawled through so much old newspaper articles yesterday my eyes hurt it seems nothing is on record of value about this . Did pam see suzy or cancel over the weekend ? or the week before ? Personally I'm beginning to get suspicious over Dr pam and TS . As absolutely nothing in the papers in 1986 that I could find from suzys so called bestie and one that was already on tv or eager to be JMO

I also cannot understand why it was never established if JC was tall enough to validate the seat being pulled back so far and why HR was never asked to pick out from an identity parade . If he was the sole witness to what the man looked like surely this was the logical step

 

[su5ie]

CV's later recollection of the phone calls from / about SJL during 28th are an example of this. When someone rang the pub, asked if "Susan" were there and said to keep her there if she turned up, what says this call had anything to do with SJL? Why can't it have been a wrong number, or about something else, or misremembered from a different day? Did anyone called Susan work at the PoW?

I'm still gobsmacked that the police never searched the pub on Monday 28th July. They searched 123SR and 37SR, the former a place there was no reason to think she had intended to go, but they never searched the other place they did know she was heading? FFS!

Same I'm so logical in my thinking that my head hurts with the amount of atrocious oversights made in this case. I think the majority of us would love to go back in time and give the investigation officers a good kick up the you know what lol

 

[Cherwell]

she states she was to meet suzy for lunch at 1pm on the Monday and if she had have stuck to the lunch date suzy would not be missing. This raises two red flags for me . Firstly Sturgis didn't have a particular time for lunch so how could suzy have given a time, secondly when was it cancelled? This would give more guidance as to when suzy took the 12 .45 appointment and if pam spoke to her that morning would it not add credence to the diary entry and prehaps a better timeline of when suzy took the call for the appointment with Mr kipper
If she knew at say 11 why didn't she say anything to her co workers or fill out more details. And if PS cancelled last minute . Did Mr kipper ring at the last minute too . Bit of a coincidence. I would like to find out more about this lunch date .

According to AS (p.39) there was no cancellation as such. PS rang Suzy the week before (no day is specified). Suzy suggested meeting for lunch on the Monday, but PS declined as it was her nanny's day off and agreed to meet for lunch on Tuesday.

Bear in mind that this is what PS told the Lamplughs. Interestingly it also says that she said that prior to her phone call they had not been in touch with Suzy for some months.

 

[su5ie]

According to AS (p.39) there was no cancellation as such. PS rang Suzy the week before (no day is specified). Suzy suggested meeting for lunch on the Monday, but PS declined as it was her nanny's day off and agreed to meet for lunch on Tuesday.

Bear in mind that this is what PS told the Lamplughs. Interestingly it also says that she said that prior to her phone call they had not been in touch with Suzy for some months.

Thank you Cherwell for this .the part about not being in touch is weird as they were supposedly setting up a business together?.

 

[su5ie]

Suzy Lamplugh 'seized by more than one person'

The hunt for the killer of Suzy Lamplugh has been re-opened after a new witness came forward claiming to have seen the estate agent alive shortly after her abduction 14 years ago, police said yesterday.

www.independent.co.uk

BBC News | UK | New attempt to solve Lamplugh case

I'm sure you all know about these articles and they have probably been shared already .
I didn't know there was other suspects and these suspects may not have been under suspicion before . Also that suzy was seen been driven in her car and Allegedly suspected of walking down Stevenage with a man so our scenario of suzy driving herself to Stevenage is plausible.

 

[su5ie]

Can we establish from this photo that suzy definitely wasn't blonde haired as the average joe"s description of a blonde would be if this photo was definitely taken that weekend . Would people even describe the colour as dark blonde ? How would the average British man or woman describe her hair colour if asked by law enforcement?

 

[WestLondoner]

Terry has been a champion of the 'more than one person' hypothesis. It would enable her car to appear in one place while she appeared in another, which if you accept both WJ and HR is what did happen. It would also undermine JT, who provided the information about cars and flats that JC might have used in an abduction (his own basically), but did not admit to any involvement. It would have helped JC no end to have an assistant handling all the "musical cars" that was going on.

 

[WestLondoner]

Can we establish from this photo that suzy definitely wasn't blonde haired as the average joe"s description of a blonde would be if this photo was definitely taken that weekend . Would people even describe the colour as dark blonde ? How would the average British man or woman describe her hair colour if asked by law enforcement?
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LSW has noted that facially she looks to have lost weight between that photo and the last-known prior one(s)

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[Cherwell]

Somewhere I have seen a photo of the CID room during the investigation where the notice board carries a description of Suzy as having "dark hair".
That last photo doesn't show up any highlights, but that could be down to the lighting.

 

[su5ie]

Does anyone think this could look like Mr kipper efit down to broken or crooked nose sorry I took screen shot from crimewatch as couldn't find one in colour

 

[Officer Dibble]

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This is AL at the time of suzys disappearance, he looks tall

The first thing I thought when I saw the photo was how similar to the photofit/drawing of alleged Mr Kipper it looks. JMO

 

[Terryb808]

Someone, sorry can’t recall who said Mr Kipper was a reference to a man who tried to “Stitch Me Up Like A Kipper”.
There appears to be someone who was desperate to get cash out of Suzy. Putting pressure on her, she didn’t like and was possibly afraid of.
This sounds like a recipe for a confrontation and an outcome that results in her disappearance.
Certainly more likely than the Mets JC did it scenario.

 

[WestLondoner]

If JC didn't exist the Met would have had to invent him.

 

[Officer Dibble]

I've just googled JC height and found an interesting document a PDF, which I don't think I can share here. I'm sure you can find it too.

 

[WestLondoner]

The range of heights given suggest the information is compiled from witnesses like CBD's. In his creepy dating video he does look like a shorty when you compare the size of his head to the width of his shoulders.

 

[su5ie]

Someone, sorry can’t recall who said Mr Kipper was a reference to a man who tried to “Stitch Me Up Like A Kipper”.
There appears to be someone who was desperate to get cash out of Suzy. Putting pressure on her, she didn’t like and was possibly afraid of.
This sounds like a recipe for a confrontation and an outcome that results in her disappearance.
Certainly more likely than the Mets JC did it scenario.

This was mine Terry and fairplay to your memory as it was one of my first posts

Did you ever come across a picture of TS I've even looked on newspaper social pages from 1983 through to 1987 to see if there is a picture of him and pam or an engagement or wedding announcement lol I need to get a social life

 

[su5ie]

I've just googled JC height and found an interesting document a PDF, which I don't think I can share here. I'm sure you can find it too.

Share away I won't tell

 

[Terryb808]

This was mine Terry and fairplay to your memory as it was one of my first posts

Did you ever come across a picture of TS I've even looked on newspaper social pages from 1983 through to 1987 to see if there is a picture of him and pam or an engagement or wedding announcement lol I need to get a social life

I’ve never seen a photo of TS, when Pan married him neither were famous, and he doesn’t seem the type to use the likes of Facebook.

 

[Terryb808]

I've just googled JC height and found an interesting document a PDF, which I don't think I can share here. I'm sure you can find it too.

JC’s not going to cause you any trouble, so post away.