UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #7

[greenwoodlad]

Fair point but I can't get over the fact that 2 or 3 years back in a previous thread office junior JC apparently told a fellow Sleuther that the car was parked in Radipole Road which seems extraordinary since for the previous 35 years LE stated it was parked in Whittingstall Road. Can the office junior really have forgotten where he told SL her car was parked on this infamous day? MOO

I think it was established earlier in the thread that there were potential 2-3 white fiestas leased by Sturgis in Fulham Rd - could one have been parked in Radipole and one in Whittingstall Rd however Both those locations would have meant SJL would have turned LEFT out of Sturgis to go to the car.

 

[WestLondoner]

The only vehicles we know of for sure are SJL's white Fiesta 1.1L and MG's red XR3i. Probably the negotiators had a car apiece, so NH would have had one, as would the one who was OOO that week. Ergo a maximum of 3 cars that week and I doubt MG's was used as a pool car (£££ insurance on an XR3i). It doesn't follow that NH also had a Fiesta 1.1L. It was the base Fiesta model and a more experienced employee might get a better car, not even necessarily a Ford.

The simplest explanation for WJ's claimed 123SR car sighting of 12.40 is that she was mistaken about which car she saw at that time. She saw SJL's car later and took it for the same one. The fact that a schoolboy saw a white Fiesta there at 12 noon, that can't possibly have been SJL's, supports this. A schoolboy may be quite a good witness because many are car nuts.

In the 1980s Ford's came in three basic colours that were standard, namely white, red, and mid-blue. Further colours were optionally available each year at no cost, and then there were the metallics and black, which were at-cost options again. As a result, the three commonest Fiesta colours, available every year the car was sold, were white, red and blue, usually bought by fleet operators because there was no charge for these colours.

The presence of more than one white Fiesta in a given road in succession is thus not all that unlikely.

 

[Ljh21]

I was 17 in 1986 - we lived rurally.. what was a cashpoint? we always had to physically go into the bank in the town and write out a cheque to "pay self" to get cash out .....but i've just researched this and there were a thing at most banks / outside banks in London in 1986 ! so fair point raised there

So if we believe that to be true

Agree, absolutely cannot fathom that as i cannot think of any job where you would walk out and no one would know where you are going for how long and when would be back with no clock in the office this just seems so off.

"and just after 12:35 suzy collected the keys from mark gurdon and left the office,a few hours later mark gurdon realised something was not right.suzy had been away a long time and if there were difficulties with the client she would simply return to the office.Suzy had only taken her purse to buy a sand wich and she never takes extended lunch breaks,gurdin went over to suzy’s desk and looked in her diary. On the current page she had written, 12:45 Mr Kipper, 37 shorrolds road o/s, so mg decided to take another staff member to shorrolds road to see if suzy was still at yhe address. There was no sign of either her or her car.
Mark checked the records back at the office, they showed they had not done business with a mr kipper before.mg then telephoned suzy’s mother to see if she had seen her daughtern at lunchtime but she told him she had not seen her since the previous evening. Mg was now getting seriously worried and he telephoned a couple of hospitals. Then he went to Fulham police station but there were a number of people waiting to be seen and having an appending appointment with a client - he did not wait. On his way back he checked to see if suzy’s car was at Shorrolds rd but it was not.
Mg was now extremely worried, returned to the office and phoned the police.

This is 660 Fulham Rd -Coyne medical (near the 20 sign to the left of the photo) . To the right of the photo was Sturgis ( on the corner)

660 Fulham Rd was Crocodile Tears , with tables out on the pavement too where MG and the boss were dining - so just turn RIGHT out of Sturgis - cross the Rd and you are there - it was 2 doors down Fulham Rd ....Suzy turned right out of the agents ....surely not a

 

[Ljh21]

So if we believe that to be true

"and just after 12:35 suzy collected the keys from mark gurdon and left the office,a few hours later mark gurdon realised something was not right.suzy had been away a long time and if there were difficulties with the client she would simply return to the office.Suzy had only taken her purse to buy a sand wich and she never takes extended lunch breaks,gurdin went over to suzy’s desk and looked in her diary. On the current page she had written, 12:45 Mr Kipper, 37 shorrolds road o/s, so mg decided to take another staff member to shorrolds road to see if suzy was still at yhe address. There was no sign of either her or her car.
Mark checked the records back at the office, they showed they had not done business with a mr kipper before.mg then telephoned suzy’s mother to see if she had seen her daughtern at lunchtime but she told him she had not seen her since the previous evening. Mg was now getting seriously worried and he telephoned a couple of hospitals. Then he went to Fulham police station but there were a number of people waiting to be seen and having an appending appointment with a client - he did not wait. On his way back he checked to see if suzy’s car was at Shorrolds rd but it was not.
Mg was now extremely worried, returned to the office and phoned the police.

1 , why take a member of staff to shorrolds “just to check if she was still there”
2 , mg was so concerned he called her mum, 2 hospitals went to the police station, …… then left because of an a queue, and a later appointment.

Seriously you cannot make this up!

 

[greenwoodlad]

1 , why take a member of staff to shorrolds “just to check if she was still there”
2 , mg was so concerned he called her mum, 2 hospitals went to the police station, …… then left because of an a queue, and a later appointment.

Seriously you cannot make this up!

At 12.35 MG was dining in Crocodile Tears wasn't he ? SJL left office 12.30 -12.40 she was the only one there waiting for the temp to come back from the bank - so she could leave

 

[Ljh21]

The times of the supposed sightings outside 123SR and 37SR were inferred, as was SJL's departure from the office. So it's just about possible that if they're out by a few minutes in the right direction, they're all correct. Ish.

Personally I am a bit sceptical of all of them. A school pupil on holiday reckons he saw the car at midday. This cannot have been SJL's car that early. So he saw a different but similar vehicle and hence so probably did WJ.

HR's story is unstable and he never really clocked the woman. The later alleged sightings at 37SR came in after his had been publicised, so may have been influenced by it. One was so vague as to time that the witness, ND, could have been remembering MG's visit at 3.45. MG looks as much like the photofit as Cannan IMO.

BW seems likeliest to be reliable but cannot be right if WJ's account is accurate.

Personally I would be surprised if Kipper took SJL to another Sturgis property to attack her. It would be too obvious a place to look for her.

So if we say there was no kipper, no appointment and just the fact that her car was left sometime at 123 sr, what are we left with. Basically she was at work and then disappeared.

 

[Ljh21]

At 12.35 MG was dining in Crocodile Tears wasn't he ? SJL left office 12.30 -12.40 she was the only one there waiting for the temp to come back from the bank - so she could leave

So many contradictory reports one says mg handed sjl the keys and then your one, only one can br correct so which one ???

 

[greenwoodlad]

So many contradictory reports one says mg handed sjl the keys and then your one, only one can br correct so which one ???

I think that is why she is still missing today ....so many witnesses saying different things - so many theories buy what really happened that day ......will we ever know the truth ?

 

[Eastend Eagle]

DBM

 

[Salah11]

So if we say there was no kipper, no appointment and just the fact that her car was left sometime at 123 sr, what are we left with. Basically she was at work and then disappeared.

Which is why it’s never been solved. She basically vanished into thin air.

 

[Cherwell]

1 , why take a member of staff to shorrolds “just to check if she was still there”
2 , mg was so concerned he called her mum, 2 hospitals went to the police station, …… then left because of an a queue, and a later appointment.
Seriously you cannot make this up!

1. She might have been inside the house having had an accident or incapacitated in some way. He would take another female with him in case it was something sensitive.

2. In the text you quoted (without attribution) it says that he phoned the police on his return to the office. Seems reasonable; he might have had to wait a long time if he'd remained at the police station.

 

[Ljh21]

So many contradictory reports one says mg handed sjl the keys and then your one, only one can br correct so which one ???

The urgency shown and tgen for it to change to oh there is a queue you find reasonable but for me i do not

 

[Cherwell]

The urgency shown and tgen for it to change to oh there is a queue you find reasonable but for me i do not

If you've ever waited in a queue while the person behind the counter kept breaking off to answer the phone, you'd get it.

 

[greenwoodlad]

So if we say there was no kipper, no appointment and just the fact that her car was left sometime at 123 sr, what are we left with. Basically she was at work and then disappeared.

she was reported by MG as officially missing at 6.55pm on 28th July 1986....I do take into account and respect recent posts from members of this forum .....BUT I still think that is a long time .....6 hours after what was supposed to be an appointment where she was away from her desk for half an hour tops....where was MG at 2pm and 3pm ( when she had been absent for well over an hour and 2 hours respectively ....he called DL at 4.55pm ( just over 4 hours after she left the agency ) but a further 2 hours elapsed before she was officially reported to the police ......I think this length of time is ridiculously long ...someone at Sturgis should have been raising the alarm by 2.30pm..

Thoughts....?

 

[Kasparthecat1]

she was reported by MG as officially missing at 6.55pm on 28th July 1986....I do take into account and respect recent posts from members of this forum .....BUT I still think that is a long time .....6 hours after what was supposed to be an appointment where she was away from her desk for half an hour tops....where was MG at 2pm and 3pm ( when she had been absent for well over an hour and 2 hours respectively ....he called DL at 4.55pm ( just over 4 hours after she left the agency ) but a further 2 hours elapsed before she was officially reported to the police ......I think this length of time is ridiculously long ...someone at Sturgis should have been raising the alarm by 2.30pm..

Thoughts....?

I think it depends on the context, and what else was going on in the office that afternoon. MG was not at the office for a proportion of the afternoon - I'm not sure what time he got back...but if there was an informal arrangement whereby people took unofficial time off in lieu it may not be so unremarkable that sjl did not return. I don't think this is the case here, though. If she DID invent the Kipper appointment as a cover for some personal errand that suggests to me an office which was tightly run - not one where people could take lots of unaccountable time off. I wonder what stance MG on discovering sjl was not there? Concern? Anger? As far as we know, sjl may have form for doing this kind of thing - so her behaviour may not be deemed unusual.

He was certainly concerned when sjl did not appear for the 6pm appointment though, naturally - there was a sale at stake.

I'm not sure what I'd have done in his shoes, however. I think he only rang sjl"s mother because he knew her. Sjl was a grown woman, not vulnerable but fit and strong. MG may well have thought there was an explanation for her absence, or that the police would not take the matter seriously.

 

[greenwoodlad]

<modnip>
I still believe MG is the real Mr Kipper .....looking at one of the artist impressions..

 

[Ljh21]

I still believe MG is the real Mr Kipper .....looking at one of the artist impressions..

I still believe MG is the real Mr Kipper .....looking at one of the artist impressions..

Do you have a pic of him at that time ?

 

[Kasparthecat1]

Do you have a pic of him at that time ?

I'm just watching an old Crimewatch featuring Sjl. MG is in it - he does indeed resemble Kipper, but so do many others!

 

[Kasparthecat1]

Do you have a pic of him at that time ?

Tried to upload an image but it's too big, sorry.

 

[Kasparthecat1]

Tried to upload an image but it's too big, sorry.

Title of the video is Crimewarch UK: 4 haunting unsolved disappearances. Sjl's case is first up. MG is at 7.18.