UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #8

[Lady Stoddart-West]

fingerprint on letter, SC case. its not JC who left that print.

just checked. it was JH QE2 lover.

Yes, my mistake. P96, AS. You’re quite right on JH re: ‘pact’. On the same page she considers DH as the man she’d like to ultimately marry if only he would ‘settle down and get a respectable job’. DH also endures as a love interest along with JH despite new ‘liaisons’. P.98. DH described as someone ‘she had never entirely broken up’ with. DH met her in Southampton when QE2 arrived for a few hours, before turning around to other destinations & they went to guest houses.

Both JH & DH were clearly very important to her. DH met in summer of 1981 & he became ‘the most enduring boyfriend of her life until her disappearance’. (AS).

To add, it’s interesting, and I don’t mean to sound judgemental here, that she seems to have had relationships with men who were close friends themselves: AL & expat and then DH & MH (MH a former lover & insurance broker). DH & MH had shared a flat together.

 

[Konstantin]

Probably belonged to the till person at W H Smith who sold him the envelope!

Or the postie. Or the chap at the sorting office. Etc.

 

[lee sumner]

Yes, my mistake. P96, AS. You’re quite right on JH re: ‘pact’. On the same page she considers DH as the man she’d like to ultimately marry if only he would ‘settle down and get a respectable job’. DH also endures as a love interest along with JH despite new ‘liaisons’. P.98. DH described as someone ‘she had never entirely broken up’ with. DH met her in Southampton when QE2 arrived for a few hours, before turning around to other destinations & they went to guest houses.

Both JH & DH were clearly very important to her. DH met in summer of 1981 & he became ‘the most enduring boyfriend of her life until her disappearance’. (AS).

To add, it’s interesting, and I don’t mean to sound judgemental here, that she seems to have had relationships with men who were close friends themselves: AL & expat and then DH & MH (MH a former lover & insurance broker). DH & MH had shared a flat together.

yes, SL had also dated MH, who i assume is sarah H brother. DH and AL. they are all members of the putney set.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

yes, SL had also dated MH, who i assume is sarah H brother. DH and AL. they are all members of the putney set.

I had forgotten MH & DH shared a flat.

 

[rvlvr]

Or the postie. Or the chap at the sorting office. Etc.

It’s a bit ambiguous isn’t it, where the fingerprint was found? If it was on the envelope then definitely, it would’ve been handled by so many different people. But the letter inside is obviously a different matter.

letter was posted from southampton which is 80 miles from london, and i cant imagine JC driving 80 miles to post that letter. he would have been working at the prop hire company in acton when that letter was sent.

That is a really good point. I suppose he could’ve driven there at the weekend though? To make it look like a local had posted it?

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

It’s a bit ambiguous isn’t it, where the fingerprint was found? If it was on the envelope then definitely, it would’ve been handled by so many different people. But the letter inside is obviously a different matter.



That is a really good point. I suppose he could’ve driven there at the weekend though? To make it look like a local had posted it?

They need to do the DNA on flap and stamp, in theory could rule JC out if nothing else. I posted an article upthread that said the letter was posted at weekend about 2 weeks later, gave number of days and tallied to the weekend. So, in theory JC could have travelled out of London in his Sierra to post.

 

[Rookie D]

Hi all

I believe there may be a chance that SL never left Fulham.

It's a working hypothesis I have based around the idea that the white Fiesta that was spotted parked in Stevenage Road just before 2pm by the local taxi cab driver, and then seen again by WJ circa 3.30pm when she got back home to 123 Stevenage Road.

There would only be a relatively short time frame in which to abduct SL, silence her, deposit her body, and then get the car back to Stevenage Road by 3.30pm.

I am basing the idea that the Fiesta was moved between 2pm and 3.30pm, based on the evidence given by BW, who was adamant that she saw SL driving her Fiesta northbound up Fulham Palace Road.

I think there's a good chance that SL was taken to an empty property, but considering that she wasn't murdered in 37SR when Mr Kipper had ample chance to, I think that we may be looking at a different kind of deposition site.

So, where else could the killer have taken SL and hidden her body within just a short time frame?

Well, based on BW, SL was still alive at 2.45pm.

And so if the the car is parked back in Stevenage Road by 3.30pm in the SAME spot, then the killer only had between 2.45pm - 3.30pm to do all that he needed to do.

But if not an empty property, then where?

Well, I've looked at some of the building constructions, renovations and building sites that were active at the time, and within close proximity of Stevenage Road and Fulham Palace Road, and I believe there may be one site in particular that could be the deposition site of SL's body.

Thames Reach, Rainville Road, was a new building project located just a 10 minute walk OR a 5 minute drive from 123 Stevenage Road. The drive itself would require SL to have driven along Langthorne Street, then turned left into Fulham Palace Road. SL could have then turn left on a choice of several side roads that then led to the new housing development; Thames Reach.

Or she could have walked along the river path route (if it was indeed fully open and accessible back in 1986?)

But why this particular development?

Well, interestingly enough, circa May 1987, Mark Gurdon was approached to make a comment on the state of the current housing market at the time. Mark's comments were printed in a monthly publication.

What's odd about the new development at Thames Reach, is that if you look online, it will tell you that the site was built circa 1991.

However, this is not accurate, because there's a picture of the new development at Thames Reach in Fulham actually printed in the June 1987 publication to which I refer to.

This proves that the site was built earlier than 1991; but rather, it was built by 1987. Further research online has provided a more accurate build date for the site; ergo, it began construction in 1986.

Based on this data, could SL have been deposited in the grounds of the new construction of the Thames Reach building project?

And when JC quips about SL having been put into concrete, was that closer to the truth than we realise?

And if JC was indeed a copycat, is there a way in which he had learned of the fate of SL having been deposited concrete; or building site?

Could the remains of SL be buried under the foundations of the Thames Reach building?

Here's the article from the London Illustrated News printed on 1st June 1987...

(Mark Gurdon's comments are on page 2)

 

[lee sumner]

It’s a bit ambiguous isn’t it, where the fingerprint was found? If it was on the envelope then definitely, it would’ve been handled by so many different people. But the letter inside is obviously a different matter.



That is a really good point. I suppose he could’ve driven there at the weekend though? To make it look like a local had posted it?

i doubt it. he is not clever enough.

 

[lee sumner]

I had forgotten MH & DH shared a flat.

were they also part time soldiers in the TA.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

were they also part time soldiers in the TA.

AL, DW and expat were members of the Honourable Artillery Company (HAC). That's where SL first met the expat, the first weekend in July I tihink.

 

[lee sumner]

yes, SL had also dated MH, who i assume is sarah H brother. DH and AL. they are all members of the putney set.

SL complained to her friend that DH had been unfaithful while she was away on the QE2, which i thought was strange because she was dating JH on the QE2. JH also said SL liked attention from the men a little to much, and he did not fully trust her.

 

[lee sumner]

AL, DW and expat were members of the Honourable Artillery Company (HAC). That's where SL first met the expat, the first weekend in July I tihink.

they attended an event together. leegood and suzy. where you get dressed up for the party. i dont know the official posh word for the event, ha, ha.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

SL complained to her friend that DH had been unfaithful while she was away on the QE2, which i thought was strange because she was dating JH on the QE2. JH also said SL liked attention from the men a little to much, and he did not fully trust her.

DH was her 'enduring' love and she had strong feelings for him despite everthing it would seem.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

they attended an event together. leegood and suzy. where you get dressed up for the party. i dont know the official posh word for the event, ha, ha.

It was an HAC ball I think.

 

[lee sumner]

They need to do the DNA on flap and stamp, in theory could rule JC out if nothing else. I posted an article upthread that said the letter was posted at weekend about 2 weeks later, gave number of days and tallied to the weekend. So, in theory JC could have travelled out of London in his Sierra to post.

my research shows it was sent on a day during the week. even if it was sent at the weekend. JC is a lazy reckless offender who would have posted letter from london, not southampton.

 

[lee sumner]

DH was her 'enduring' love and she had strong feelings for him despite everthing it would seem.

yes, i think DH was SL soulmate.

 

[lee sumner]

Yes, my mistake. P96, AS. You’re quite right on JH re: ‘pact’. On the same page she considers DH as the man she’d like to ultimately marry if only he would ‘settle down and get a respectable job’. DH also endures as a love interest along with JH despite new ‘liaisons’. P.98. DH described as someone ‘she had never entirely broken up’ with. DH met her in Southampton when QE2 arrived for a few hours, before turning around to other destinations & they went to guest houses.

Both JH & DH were clearly very important to her. DH met in summer of 1981 & he became ‘the most enduring boyfriend of her life until her disappearance’. (AS).

To add, it’s interesting, and I don’t mean to sound judgemental here, that she seems to have had relationships with men who were close friends themselves: AL & expat and then DH & MH (MH a former lover & insurance broker). DH & MH had shared a flat together.

friendship is the key to a real happy relationship in my opinion.

 

[lee sumner]

He might have that personality type, yes, but when, tense, panicked, stressed & seriously on the ropes he said to Barley, to paraphrase “Yes, I was at a car auction in Bristol without much cash & I have to say, I bought a damaged rusty mini with a defective driver’s door from the man who killed, SB & SL & another girl’.. He was a Bristol businessman..

Barley to JC ‘was that man YOU, John’ JC: ‘Yes, I mean no’…

So whilst, you’re right & he was grandiose with a huge ego, he was trying to do all he could to disassociate from SL when chips down. This points to probable guilt IMO.

He’s also been adamant & angry about it not being him when asked not sly & cryptic IMO although some cite the numberplate on mini as evidence of this.

why keep hold of SB mini car. lamplugh car ditched on stevenage rd. a man who sets a trap involving abduction and rape/murder would get rid of the car ASAP. there is nothing to link him to the vehicle so why hold on to it. lamplugh car abandoned by mr kipper, but SB mini car JC kept in the garage at foye house, where he lives. this does not sound like the same offender.

 

[lee sumner]

The 2007 Berry-Dee/Odell book has a section at the end (page 346 on) about the red Sierra. It states that SL's DNA was found in the car.

Cannan apparently denied to police he'd ever used this car. Police approached the book's authors and established from Cannan's copious correspondence with them, quite the opposite.

There's a degree of misinformation in msm around the DNA evidence. Was it SL's or SC's?

it SC, not SL.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

why keep hold of SB mini car. lamplugh car ditched on stevenage rd. a man who sets a trap involving abduction and rape/murder would get rid of the car ASAP. there is nothing to link him to the vehicle so why hold on to it. lamplugh car abandoned by mr kipper, but SB mini car JC kept in the garage at foye house, where he lives. this does not sound like the same offender.

Good point, he says he was going to abandon it or set it on fire. I think he thought painting it blue was good enough disguise and changing plate.

If completely innocent why go to elaborate lengths to say whoever killed (SB) killed SL 'and another girl', hence the '3' in made up mini numberplate some say (although I am not sure I subscribe to that theory). He certainly didn't do this to showboat or boast he was distressed and in trouble in the interview.