UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #8

[lee sumner]

It takes only 2 and a half minutes to walk from 49 Disraeli Road to the POW.

Walking at pace. and with purpose, it could take as little as 2 minutes.

With heels on, SL could have walked it in 3 minutes.


If the personal items were so important to her, then why not go and get them before she started work?

The drive only around 1 minute, but due to parking, it would have been quicker to walk.

It's clear that she either wasn't that concerned about her personal items, she had no idea she had lost them, or she knew she had lost them, but had no idea where they were.

To say that she knew she had lost personal items, and they were important enough for her to go and get them asap, just doesn't make sense.

The walk from the flat to the pub, is just over 200 meters.


I guess the issue is that the pub wouldn't have been open at that time of the morning.


However, the apparent 6pm timing doesn't make sense either, because she had a viewing at 6pm in Waldemar Avenue.

It would be interesting to know WHEN that Waldemar Avenue meeting had been arranged?

Could that have been an appointment arranged on the morning of the 28th July when SL got into work?

Could SL have intentionally planned to go and collect her items from the pub at 6pm after she had finished work?

What was her usual finishing time at work?

If the Waldemar Avenue viewing had indeed come in at the last minute, then the woman on the phone may have requested a 6pm viewing, and SL may have then chosen to prioritize her work, instead of her need to go and get her items from the pub at 6pm.

Considering the property in Waldemar Avenue was arguably her biggest job of the day, it would have made sense for SL to have delayed her going to the pub in favour of seeing her client in Waldemar Avenue.

But if that's the case, did SL call the pub to delay her going there to pick up her items?

It seems not.

So what's going on here?

Why have a 6pm appointment, but then arrange to pick her personal items up from the pub at the exact same time of 6pm?


Couldn't SL have asked a family member/work colleague/friend/flatmate/bf/lover, to go and collect her personal items from the pub on her behalf?

And in terms of the 6pm viewing; could SL have been abducted much later than is believed?

Was SL alive and well, but was abducted just before or after 6pm?

Could the Waldemar Avenue viewing combined with the POW, be more significant in terms of her disappearance, than the meeting of Mr Kipper in Shorrolds Road?

All conjecture and supposition on my part of course.

thank you. i said the same about SL picking up her lost items. she was not in a hurry to collect them, if she was she would not have agreed to pick them up at 6PM on the way home from work.

 

[lee sumner]

It takes only 2 and a half minutes to walk from 49 Disraeli Road to the POW.

Walking at pace. and with purpose, it could take as little as 2 minutes.

With heels on, SL could have walked it in 3 minutes.


If the personal items were so important to her, then why not go and get them before she started work?

The drive only around 1 minute, but due to parking, it would have been quicker to walk.

It's clear that she either wasn't that concerned about her personal items, she had no idea she had lost them, or she knew she had lost them, but had no idea where they were.

To say that she knew she had lost personal items, and they were important enough for her to go and get them asap, just doesn't make sense.

The walk from the flat to the pub, is just over 200 meters.


I guess the issue is that the pub wouldn't have been open at that time of the morning.


However, the apparent 6pm timing doesn't make sense either, because she had a viewing at 6pm in Waldemar Avenue.

It would be interesting to know WHEN that Waldemar Avenue meeting had been arranged?

Could that have been an appointment arranged on the morning of the 28th July when SL got into work?

Could SL have intentionally planned to go and collect her items from the pub at 6pm after she had finished work?

What was her usual finishing time at work?

If the Waldemar Avenue viewing had indeed come in at the last minute, then the woman on the phone may have requested a 6pm viewing, and SL may have then chosen to prioritize her work, instead of her need to go and get her items from the pub at 6pm.

Considering the property in Waldemar Avenue was arguably her biggest job of the day, it would have made sense for SL to have delayed her going to the pub in favour of seeing her client in Waldemar Avenue.

But if that's the case, did SL call the pub to delay her going there to pick up her items?

It seems not.

So what's going on here?

Why have a 6pm appointment, but then arrange to pick her personal items up from the pub at the exact same time of 6pm?


Couldn't SL have asked a family member/work colleague/friend/flatmate/bf/lover, to go and collect her personal items from the pub on her behalf?

And in terms of the 6pm viewing; could SL have been abducted much later than is believed?

Was SL alive and well, but was abducted just before or after 6pm?

Could the Waldemar Avenue viewing combined with the POW, be more significant in terms of her disappearance, than the meeting of Mr Kipper in Shorrolds Road?

All conjecture and supposition on my part of course.

6PM, viewing with joanna 43 waldermar. after this appointment SL has finished work and will make her way home. its then she will call at the POW to pick up her lost items. its obvious to me anyway that SL was happy to collect her lost items in the early evening after she finished work between 6PM/7PM. she was not in a hurry to collect her lost items.

 

[lee sumner]

It’s a tricky one. Would he actually have been aware of the HFS rapes to begin with? It seems they got a fair bit of news coverage at the time, so perhaps. But would he have been thinking of them so many years later? The wearing of a helmet as a disguise isn’t uncommon either.

I think the problem with Cannan is it’s difficult to say exactly what type of offender he was. I mean, in the Banks case, did he always intend to kill her? Even with his one confirmed murder what exactly happened isn’t clear cut.

He obviously was a fantasist in his ‘real’ life, so it seems reasonable to assume he had no original ideas of his own when it came to his criminal life too. But then that raises issues re Suzy’s case - was this a random abduction and murder (so fairly unoriginal) or was this a carefully thought out killing, the perfect crime? If the latter, he doesn’t strike me as particularly capable of pulling that off but if the former, well, with a bit of luck he perhaps made it look like the latter?

we dont even know if SL was the target. any female EA could have been the target. if so mr kipper would be watching from a car on shorrolds rd to see if a female EA turns up alone.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

KH did not speak to SL regarding her lost items, his wife did. DV just believes what KH tells him. occams principle way of thinking tells me SL was not in a hurry to get her lost items back. this is why DCI carter and his team did not search the POW, because they knew SL had never made it there. they knew she was collecting her lost items on the way home from work between 6PM and 7PM.

Yes, you’re right on KH’s wife. Also, of course we should sift what KH says but also consider & evaluate, keeping an open mind.

Occam’s Razor, in this scenario, speaks rather differently to me. She couldn’t say she was shooting out, when possible, to retrieve personal items as a very busy & unusual day, but to my mind that’s the extremely plausible reality.

We do know factually she had ‘sexual contacts’ distinct from lovers. We know AN was in this book who is well known for his fetishes and was a failed assassin. You’d not want to leave any book for too long with a landlord who may well have a snoop, human nature being what it is.

Diaries, contact books & notebooks were lifelines in the pre mobile phone era. Just as now, if we couldn’t disable our Iphone, leaving it free for any Tom, Dick or Harry to have a good read of all our personal whatsapp etc…Just not ideal! We’d just not leave it comfortably for hours in a stranger’s hands. Perhaps especially if we were as private and compartmentalised as SL.

 

[Konstantin]

Diaries, contact books & notebooks were lifelines in the pre mobile phone era. Just as now, if we couldn’t disable our Iphone, leaving it free for any Tom, Dick or Harry to have a good read of all our personal whatsapp etc…Just not ideal! We’d just not leave it comfortably for hours in a stranger’s hands. Perhaps especially if we were as private and compartmentalised as SL.

This is why, if she did lose it on the Friday - surely she must have told SOMEONE about it? She would have been pretty frantic, surely? Worrying about her chequebook as well? You could use cheques for payment less than a certain amount, couldn't you, without the guarantee card?

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

This is why, if she did lose it on the Friday - surely she must have told SOMEONE about it? She would have been pretty frantic, surely? Worrying about her chequebook as well? You could use cheques for payment less than a certain amount, couldn't you, without the guarantee card?

Exactly. On all the evidence we now have, I think everything points to a Sunday loss.

 

[WestLondoner]

This is why, if she did lose it on the Friday - surely she must have told SOMEONE about it? She would have been pretty frantic, surely? Worrying about her chequebook as well? You could use cheques for payment less than a certain amount, couldn't you, without the guarantee card?

The guarantee card was usually for payments up to £50. Above that you'd have to wait for the cheque to clear.