UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #8

[Lady Stoddart-West]

@WestLondoner the police were angry at not knowing about this deal at time NB: article upthread. I think there’s good evidence it was real. SL told her parents she couldn’t discuss the specifics but was very excited & would tell all when able. Her uncle’s comments on it also very compelling. I hope the reinvestigation refocused here & on her contacts.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

@WestLondoner the police were angry at not knowing about this deal at time NB: article upthread. I think there’s good evidence it was real. SL told her parents she couldn’t discuss the specifics but was very excited & would tell all when able. Her uncle’s comments on it compelling.

On below @rvlvr made a very insightful post NB: Ryan’s comments on keys.

The police said there was no sign anybody had been inside that day. I don't know how they knew that - mail piled against the inside of the front door? They quietly knew the keys never left Sturgis, as they'd used the only set to get inside? - but it's quite categoric.

IMO it would be impossible to leave no prints. Kipper might avoid it, but she would not know she was supposed to, so she would be touching door handles, cupboards, light switches and banister rails.

It makes little sense to assume you can carry out a SA in a house for sale. How do you get out? How will neighbours react to

 

[lee sumner]

The police said there was no sign anybody had been inside that day. I don't know how they knew that - mail piled against the inside of the front door? They quietly knew the keys never left Sturgis, as they'd used the only set to get inside? - but it's quite categoric.

IMO it would be impossible to leave no prints. Kipper might avoid it, but she would not know she was supposed to, so she would be touching door handles, cupboards, light switches and banister rails.

It makes little sense to assume you can carry out a SA in a house for sale. How do you get out? How will neighbours react to a struggle?

there is no way DCI carter would think SL took the keys to 37/SR if she did not. there is no way a street smart detective like carter would miss something like that. its only DV who says she never took the keys, and people here are buying into it. iam going to believe the late DCI carter as he was SIO on the case, not DV the conspiracy man.

 

[kes1972]

@Klclevi he had some money from father’s will/death (died 1985) there was some evidence he’d been saving & splurged in a short window before SL went missing apparently. Need to find source. Prime Suspect. CBD. I think.

His father had apparently set aside a generous amount to help him ‘go straight’ & get life together on release. If he spent all in a short window it might have been enough to give a brief impression of an affluent life to impress, reassure or at least not alarm SL.

AS tells us SL was in an unusually good mood early on (via SF) & later DV tells us she lost a hoped for or expected commission to NH & there was an argument. Could this have influenced a later decision? That final call ‘half sitting half standing’ at desk (AS) springs to mind. There were also x3 failed attempts to sell flat & lack of funds had prevented her travelling to NZ to see her sister although that obviously ££. She’d looked into being a courier to facilitate legitimate cheap travel to NZ (AS).

JC had discussed setting up a management consultancy & similar with AR & was looking at poss offices (Prime Suspect: CBD). So may have done similar here with SL.

A bit of a distraction but david fuller is a name i would like to throw in the ring, murderer of at least two women in 1987, in 1986 was following the cutting crew whose record label tower records was located nearby to fulham road, his mo was to follow his victims prior to his crimes, had links to tunbridge wells as did sl with that telephone code on her diary and her bf working there, could also have had access to luxury properties as his link with the group and people may have allowed that, we also know he was a keen cyclist as per photo of him and (bike courier) mentioned in her office diary could possibly provide a link.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

there is no way DCI carter would think SL took the keys to 37/SR if she did not. there is no way a street smart detective like carter would miss something like that. its only DV who says she never took the keys, and people here are buying into it. iam going to believe the late DCI carter as he was SIO on the case, not DV the conspiracy man.

Carter & team were smart enough to question whether SL had invented the viewing back in 1986. It was one line of enquiry.

 

[kes1972]

The data on a 6pm pick up came from pub & poss temp publican’s wife. Poss lost in translation & she was never late for apts even by 5 mins, so seems odd she’d have volunteered 6pm as pick up . It stands to reason she’d want her diary/contacts asap IMO or she’d have not been so dedicated/persistent about it to temp landlord. His recount to DV showed her particular worry about the diary.

Agree, the pub staff would not be able to provide a clear time if they were guilty as they would not have known her days routine so would have given a readonable time early evening but not too late not knowing of her 6pm app

 

[lee sumner]

Carter & team were smart enough to question whether SL had invented the viewing back in 1986. It was one line of enquiry.

they did wonder this, which is why carter and team went back and looked at every viewing she attended since she started work at sturgis, and carter said every viewing was real. SL was not known for faking appointments.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

A bit of a distraction but david fuller is a name i would like to throw in the ring, murderer of at least two women in 1987, in 1986 was following the cutting crew whose record label tower records was located nearby to fulham road, his mo was to follow his victims prior to his crimes, had links to tunbridge wells as did sl with that telephone code on her diary and her bf working there, could also have had access to luxury properties as his link with the group and people may have allowed that, we also know he was a keen cyclist as per photo of him and (bike courier) mentioned in her office diary could possibly provide a link.

Thanks for this. Just coming back on telephone code - where’s the source/info on a Tunbridge Wells code? About 4-6 of ‘Putney set’ group of friends had parents living around Ockley, Surrey.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

they did wonder this, which is why carter and team went back and looked at every viewing she attended since she started work at sturgis, and carter said every viewing was real. SL was not known for faking appointments.

Yes, but they never entirely took the poss off the table. I am open minded on it. DV & the Ryan account is quite compelling. The police do effectively admit there were only one set of keys & they stayed in the office. IF we believe it’s an honest recount from DV ofc.

Not everything DV uncovered can be rubbished although I don’t defend everything he said. The police themselves agreed with much of it, including, if we take his word for it, views on keys.

 

[tes1984]

A bit of a distraction but david fuller is a name i would like to throw in the ring, murderer of at least two women in 1987, in 1986 was following the cutting crew whose record label tower records was located nearby to fulham road, his mo was to follow his victims prior to his crimes, had links to tunbridge wells as did sl with that telephone code on her diary and her bf working there, could also have had access to luxury properties as his link with the group and people may have allowed that, we also know he was a keen cyclist as per photo of him and (bike courier) mentioned in her office diary could possibly provide a link.

IIRC Fuller kept a detailed diary of what he did. Obviously he could have faked diary entries on certain days.

A lot of offenders have links to Fulham. The Railway Killer David Mulcahy used to go roller blading in Bishop's Park. His parents lived nearby in Barnes. Mulcahy was a bike courier in the 80s, but I'm not sure where he worked or if he doing that job in summer 1986.

 

[kes1972]

AS was deeply hurt by what happened leading up to the publication and afterwards.

I agree re reinvestigation, this is completely warranted given the current media regarding SW , but I would say that most of us here would say the SW angle is off the table

If you research AS articles (post the articles from the book excerpts) , he comes across as almost a broken man over the book.

I reference an article from 1991 - nearly 3 years from when the book was published in Oct 88.

The Independent Monday 8.4.1991

as i understand there is absolutely no evedence proving jc and sl ever met but there is evidence the pow had her personal items, and had contact with her that day.They say she was due to visit the pub to collect her items at some point, police had an uneasy feeling, her car parked at the furthest point from the pub on stevenage road on the opposite side of the thames leaving a convenient quiet walk back all quite handy.

 

[kes1972]

Thanks for this. Just coming back on telephone code - where’s the source/info on a Tunbridge Wells code? About 4-6 of ‘Putney set’ group of friends had parents living around Ockley, Surrey.

It is on here on one of the threads, sorry i am not sure which one if i find it i will supply asap

 

[EddietheEagle]

Carter & team were smart enough to question whether SL had invented the viewing back in 1986. It was one line of enquiry.

SIO Nick Carter went on prime time television, Crimewatch, to state the keys went with SL on a distinctive Sturgis fob which had not been found. He even held the distinctive yellow fob up to camera.

You appear to be suggesting the SIO may have been a misguided fool.