UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #8

[lee sumner]

Back in the 80's the police constabularies across England did not communicate with each other.

For the Shirley Banks case, the Met sent 2 detectives to Bristol to question Cannan, but they were effectively stonewalled, because the senior officers dealing with the SB case disliked the idea of the Met police coming onto their patch.

The same issue applied with the Yorkshire Ripper, and the belief by senior officers at West Yorkshire police not wanting to accept that the Ripper may have killed further afield from their patch.

As technology has developed over the decades, the police have had no choice but to communicate more effectively and efficiently, because the various databases available to them demand it.

But back in the 80's the police really had no desire to communicate with each other, and virtually everyone outside of Greater London disliked the Met police.

The bureaucracy and red tape has always plagued policing over the years, which is unfortunate for murder victims who are abducted and deposited in a different county.

yes, i got that impression from DCI saunders, SIO, SB case. he did not appear very confident there was any link between SB and SL. he said the end of the interview, and that is where it should rest, or something along them lines. its almost like he wanted it that way.

 

[lee sumner]

Yes. Cyril died around Jan 85, if this legacy paid out & prob had been by then, JC had some £ to impress ladies by mid 86 & apparently he began to spend a lot May-June 86. If you get it when still ‘half’ in custody. (?) He had £300 a week from Superhire.

wow, 300 a week from superhire. top money back in 86.

 

[lee sumner]

PL was REALLY worried about the optics re: SL’s reputation. The Lamplughs were worried this ‘deal’ (again) might make public think ill of her. They also think the police KNEW about deal/purchase but had forgotten or overlooked this - as they said elsewhere too.

NB: “She would never have taken part in any nefarious activity”. Yet AS had to unwillingly disclose something unfortunate to Carter Ruck in end. It might be she bit off more than she could chew. No one ‘gifts’ ££ with no strings.

Yet her dodgiest associates in that contact book needed more not less scrutiny.

IF anyone did suggest fraud SL would have backed out & her parents view was this led to her abduction. Would she have backed out on grey? Development a murky world back then.

Moving on…

I think it’s worth looking at witness sightings on Stevenage. A couple seen arguing to South of Barrier there. The garage exit south of barrier to flats DL later searched.

there failure to tell det carter, barley, and johnstone about the deal is odd. they would have wanted to know everything SL discussed on that sunday night when she called to her parents. i dont buy they thought it was not important info.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

wow, 300 a week from superhire. top money back in 86.

Sounds a lot, you’re right, was JC telling truth (not exactly a habit ) or mis-remembering?

 

[lee sumner]

She needed to raise money for this new, ambitious purchase, pronto, hence the hurry.

The Walham Grove flat was arguably nicer & a bit more of a prestigious location than SL’s. DL was really ambitious for girls & split the rent with them even though I think Ls not cash rich at time. Poss fuelled an appetite for ‘more’ & social improvement.

Need to look back at dates on Walham - this is 1982 was this SL subletting somehow on QE2 & T back home? Prob a coincidence.,NB: short lets from x1 week in Park Lane. Makes me think is it really out of question JC couldn’t have rented for a week or two to craft facade of businessman? Arguably he could afford in very short term.

do you know what number it was where SL and TL lived walham grove. i thought it was a small house, not a flat just curious.

 

[lee sumner]

Sounds a lot, you’re right, was JC telling truth (not exactly a habit ) or mis-remembering?

if JC was saying this is what he earned at superhire. its probably BS.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

if JC was saying this is what he earned at superhire. its probably BS.

There is that Will find source.

 

[lee sumner]

I don’t know, he had access to quite a bit - relatively - of money - poss even more than we know if behind superhire robberies. He fooled many in his time even those smart enough to know better. His father’s legacy too. Other ££ later from uncle - not then.

If him, he had £ to hire a car & maybe a hotel room or flat in very short term. Not easy though, yes, definitely.

We know he met uptown ‘Sue’ & was investigating buying a house, posing as an executive almost certainly, so must have looked a bit presentable.

JC could turn on the BS to impress people, so i see what you mean. like the dating video where he looks presentable pretending he has achieved what he wanted.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

do you know what number it was where SL and TL lived walham grove. i thought it was a small house, not a flat just curious.

Will have a look/check.

 

[Klclevi]

Was the missing luggage with letters with possible clues about the mystery man ever found?

Hi Yes
Pg 87 AS book

They arrived a week after TS landed at Heathrow (but AS says despite careful scrutiny they produced no significant new clues)

Interesting that TS says in this article SL had mentioned some new names.

 

[Klclevi]

Sorry TL I meant