UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #8

[lee sumner]

i doubt it. he is not clever enough.

mr kipper had at least 2 hrs to do what he wanted to SL inside 37SR, but he did not do this for some reason. i think he wanted SL all to himself overnight. this MO points to JC. we know he took SB back to his place, foye house, so he obviously wanted her to himself all night long. so was SL held captive somewhere, or was she killed on the 28/july/1986.

 

[lee sumner]

Good point, he says he was going to abandon it or set it on fire. I think he thought painting it blue was good enough disguise and changing plate.

If completely innocent why go to elaborate lengths to say whoever killed (SB) killed SL 'and another girl', hence the '3' in made up mini numberplate some say (although I am not sure I subscribe to that theory). He certainly didn't do this to showboat or boast he was distressed and in trouble in the interview.

this is what convinced me JC abducted SL, but over the years something just does not add up when it comes to JC being the notorious mr kipper.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

mr kipper had at least 2 hrs to do what he wanted to SL inside 37SR, but he did not do this for some reason. i think he wanted SL all to himself overnight. this MO points to JC. we know he took SB back to his place, foye house, so he obviously wanted her to himself all night long. so was SL held captive somewhere, or was she killed on the 28/july/1986.

He had his father's legacy to spend and, if so, that's enough to rent somewhere decent with cash for a few days if so and buy suits and assume the persona of a 'Mr Peterson' NB: dating agency video.

 

[lee sumner]

They really didn’t want to blacken her moral character I feel. NB: ‘she was just a modern girl’ article which some were comfortable about.

It seems curiously old fashioned IMO now to worry about who she may or may not have seen on Sun night, outside of AL.

i agree. they all sound so prude.

 

[lee sumner]

He had his father's legacy to spend and, if so, that's enough to rent somewhere decent with cash for a few days if so and buy suits and assume the persona of a 'Mr Peterson' NB: dating agency video.

true. if so i would love to know where that location was.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

this is what convinced me JC abducted SL, but over the years something just does not add up when it comes to JC being the notorious mr kipper.

i agree. they all sound so prude.

Of course it depends though on what the sensitivity on Sunday night might have really been about.

 

[lee sumner]

This is my thinking regarding the keys too. These things perhaps weren’t immediately considered very important, and over time assumptions and suppositions became hardened and entrenched.

On who knew about the pub, AS says Suzy was ‘preoccupied’ with finding her belongings. But did he deduce this based on statements made by her colleagues, or simply from her behaviour, eg the calls and plans she made to retrieve said belongings across the morning? It’s not clear to me.

In the 80s would your bank also have known where you worked and how to reach you there? I didn’t get a bank account until the 90s, I don’t think any of the banks I’ve used since then have ever had my employer’s contact details as well as my own. I wonder what the exact sequence of events was that morning? Did Suzy call her bank (perhaps leaving with them her work number in case they needed to reach her?), then the pub called the bank, then the bank called Suzy back using the number given? Or would the bank have had that number anyway, a sort of ‘in case of emergencies’ type of thing?

SL arranged to pick up missing items at 6PM, so she was obviously not in a hurry to get them back.

 

[lee sumner]

Of course it depends though on what the sensitivity on Sunday night might have really been about.

true. the mystery deepens. i would love to see the original case files.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

SL arranged to pick up missing items at 6PM, so she was obviously not in a hurry to get them back.

Well truth is we don’t know. AS talks about her ‘sexual contacts’ distinct from her lovers. DV that this contact book never seen before by friends. It’s a 2026 iphone without a code - most would collect earlier rather than later!

 

[lee sumner]

Well truth is we don’t know. AS talks about her ‘sexual contacts’ distinct from her lovers. DV that this contact book never seen before by friends. It’s a 2026 iphone without a code - most would collect earlier rather than later!

then why did she agree to pick them up at 6PM.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

then why did she agree to pick them up at 6PM.

She wouldn’t have said precisely 6pm as meeting someone then - DV puts forward a theory. But fact is most are going to want & need a contact book like that back soonest.

 

[lee sumner]

She wouldn’t have said precisely 6pm as meeting someone then - DV puts forward a theory. But fact is most are going to want & need a contact book like that back soonest.

SL was more than happy leaving her lost items at the POW all day. its obvious her plan was to collect them on the way home around 630PM. she was not rushing to pick them up. early evening on the way home from work. killing 2 birds with 1 stone, as the saying goes.

 

[lee sumner]

I didn't realise JC used the phrase "another girl" in that interview. Do you think he is referring to SC here?

no. just more BS from JC.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

SL was more than happy leaving her lost items at the POW all day. its obvious her plan was to collect them on the way home around 630PM. she was not rushing to pick them up. early evening on the way home from work. killing 2 birds with 1 stone, as the saying goes.

It was a personal contact book, poss very personal, she had a busy day but it’s obvious anyone would want & even need it earlier rather than later. (Numbers). The evidence says she was preoccupied in the morning about loss of belongings KH tells us decades later she said, to paraphrase ‘my book, do you have it? Do you have it? You have got it, haven’t you?!’

Most would zip over whenever they had chance.