UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #8

[kes1972]

he could have got lucky if he snatched SL, then got reckless when he took SB 1 year later.

The situation screams clive barwell type of scenario, i play the women in the car situation with them laughing or screaming and think how did he control that situation , any proof of where barwell was at that time?

 

[tes1984]

The situation screams clive barwell type of scenario, i play the women in the car situation with them laughing or screaming and think how did he control that situation , any proof of where barwell was at that time?

Barwell used a knife or gun to control his victims. In 1987 he had work links to Slough, around twenty miles from Fulham.

Like Cannan, Barwell used aliases. He sometimes went by Clive Teesdale or Clive Wakefield.

 

[EddietheEagle]

Was SL a victim of the late Al Fayed?

Harrods was purchased by Al Fayed in 1985 and he purchased a lot of real estate in and around London at the time.

He also had a penchant for "pretty young blondes"

We know that SL eluded to having been involved in an upcoming deal, and that she gave the impression that something significant was about to happen in her life.

Was Mr Kipper a representative who was hired by Fayed?

I mentioned upthread that I believe that SL never left Fulham, and that her killer deposited her body within relatively close proximity to Stevenage Road, and highlighted that at the time the Thames Reach site was under construction. Well, directly opposite that site is the Harrods furniture depository, which is located on the south bank of the Thames, just north of the London Wetlands Centre and Barnes Cemetery. The site was converted into private flats in 2000, but at the time of SL's disappearance, the site was a privately owned storage facility.

Could SL have been taken to the depository, murdered, and then her body later taken away via the Thames?

Could SL have driven north up Fulham Palace Road at 2.45pm, and essentially past the Thames Reach site, but rather than turn onto the main A4 road, she instead drove west and then south onto the Hammersmith Bridge, and then ended up on the south side of the river; essentially doubling back on herself.

We know that Fayed was alleged to have been involved with the abuse of multiple female victims over a long period of time and that he had a reputation for being inappropriate with women.

Therefore, based on the geographic location, his behaviour, his penchant for young blonde women, their mutual link to real estate, and the fact that SL's car was dumped within close proximity to the Harrods furniture depository; albeit being on the opposite side of the river, then could SL have been a victim of Fayed?

It has also been alleged that Fayed may have been involved with sex trafficking, and so that may be another angle to look at.

Was SL a victim of sex trafficking?

Mr Kipper having a tanned appearance, may also reflect that he perhaps wasn't English.

Interesting also that Fayed went on to buy Fulham FC in 1997, which is of course located on Stevenage Road, just a stones throw from where SL was parked and mere yards from where the BMW was alleged to have been seen speeding off with a "screaming" SL inside.

Did SL have her hair dyed blonde, specifically because she was trying to impress Fayed or because she had been asked to change her hair colour to cater for what he liked?

Was her choice to change her hair colour a big clue that has been overlooked?

And was the photo of her with dark her deliberately circulated so as to not make an initial potential link with Al Fayed?

I am not suggesting that Fayed was directly involved, but that there be a link to Fayed and the disappearance of SL.

It's all supposition and conjecture on my part of course, but an angle that I don't believe has been looked at before?

Was SL a victim of the late Al Fayed?

Harrods was purchased by Al Fayed in 1985 and he purchased a lot of real estate in and around London at the time.

He also had a penchant for "pretty young blondes"

We know that SL eluded to having been involved in an upcoming deal, and that she gave the impression that something significant was about to happen in her life.

Was Mr Kipper a representative who was hired by Fayed?

I mentioned upthread that I believe that SL never left Fulham, and that her killer deposited her body within relatively close proximity to Stevenage Road, and highlighted that at the time the Thames Reach site was under construction. Well, directly opposite that site is the Harrods furniture depository, which is located on the south bank of the Thames, just north of the London Wetlands Centre and Barnes Cemetery. The site was converted into private flats in 2000, but at the time of SL's disappearance, the site was a privately owned storage facility.

Could SL have been taken to the depository, murdered, and then her body later taken away via the Thames?

Could SL have driven north up Fulham Palace Road at 2.45pm, and essentially past the Thames Reach site, but rather than turn onto the main A4 road, she instead drove west and then south onto the Hammersmith Bridge, and then ended up on the south side of the river; essentially doubling back on herself.

We know that Fayed was alleged to have been involved with the abuse of multiple female victims over a long period of time and that he had a reputation for being inappropriate with women.

Therefore, based on the geographic location, his behaviour, his penchant for young blonde women, their mutual link to real estate, and the fact that SL's car was dumped within close proximity to the Harrods furniture depository; albeit being on the opposite side of the river, then could SL have been a victim of Fayed?

It has also been alleged that Fayed may have been involved with sex trafficking, and so that may be another angle to look at.

Was SL a victim of sex trafficking?

Mr Kipper having a tanned appearance, may also reflect that he perhaps wasn't English.

Interesting also that Fayed went on to buy Fulham FC in 1997, which is of course located on Stevenage Road, just a stones throw from where SL was parked and mere yards from where the BMW was alleged to have been seen speeding off with a "screaming" SL inside.

Did SL have her hair dyed blonde, specifically because she was trying to impress Fayed or because she had been asked to change her hair colour to cater for what he liked?

Was her choice to change her hair colour a big clue that has been overlooked?

And was the photo of her with dark her deliberately circulated so as to not make an initial potential link with Al Fayed?

I am not suggesting that Fayed was directly involved, but that there be a link to Fayed and the disappearance of SL.

It's all supposition and conjecture on my part of course, but an angle that I don't believe has been looked at before?

Unless you can provide some evidential connection between the parties then no credible line of enquiry exists. You are simply flying a kite and adding to the general obfuscation surrounding this case.

 

[Rookie D]

Unless you can provide some evidential connection between the parties then no credible line of enquiry exists. You are simply flying a kite and adding to the general obfuscation surrounding this case.

You are of course absolutely right.

But thinking like the police and remaining within those constraints of staying strictly within lines of inquiry, hasn't helped progress the case beyond where it started; hence why it's never been solved.

The case really needs to be looked at from alternate angles, that perhaps haven't been considered before.

But in terms of official lines, I can't disagree with you.

 

[Rookie D]

If SL was seen in Shorrolds Road circa 12.50pm, and then again at 1pm, but her car that she had driven to work was found in Stevenage Road, and was seen parked there at 12.45pm by the woman who lived at 123 Stevenage Road, (a property under the books of SL's manager at Sturgis; MG) then how did she get to Shorrolds Road?

WJ may of course have been mistaken by her 12.45pm sighting, but because we also had a Taxi cab driver who also saw the car just before 2pm, then we have multiple witnesses to the car in Stevenage Road, and sandwiched in between we have the multiple sightings of SL in Shorrolds Road.

So, how is that possible?

Well, unless SL drove to Stevenage Road first, and then got a lift to Shorrolds Road in another vehicle, then it is impossible for SL to have been in 2 places at the same time.

So we either have someone else from Sturgis driving the car to Stevenage Road BEFORE SL leave the office, and then SL has to go directly to Shorrolds Road in a different car, or by walking there; ergo, she never went to Stevenage Road beforehand, or she drove to Stevenage Road and then got a lift to Shorrolds Road afterwards.

But why do that?

Well considering that the viewing of 37SR only took around 10 minutes, then that seems an awfully short viewing for any serious buyer.

And so by parking the car in Stevenage Road first, was the viewing at Shorrolds Road simply a means to disguise the idea that Mr Kipper and SL were looking at other properties nearer to Stevenage Road?

Critically, the front door was heard closing by the witness living next door to 37SR, which would imply that both SL and Mr Kipper had at least been inside the property for a short period of time; perhaps even just a few minutes.

It's interesting to note that SL wasn't heard going IN to 37SR by the neighbour, which suggest that he was only in proximity to his bay window just moments before SL and Mr Kipper had left the property.

But why did Mr Kipper not attack SL in 37SR?

Instead, he opts to wait

Why?

From 12.30pm that day, SL is alleged to have been seen driving in her car with Mr Kipper on 2 separate occasions (once whilst having an argument with her male passenger) she's also heard and seen arguing in Stevenage Road, seen walking along Stevenage Road with Mr Kipper, and seen standing in a garden by the same witness, she's also seen outside 37SR by 3 witnesses, 2 of which with Mr Kipper, and she's also seen screaming or laughing in a BMW that then speeds off.

So what is going on here?

If we consider that ALL the sightings were correct and genuine, then we have to work out the chronology of events in order to build an accurate picture of what really happened.

So, putting motive aside, the primary focus should be on logistics and chronology of events.

Unless we can out work out HOW and WHEN things happened on the day, then the WHY counts for very little indeed.