UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 Jul 1986 #8

[Lady Stoddart-West]

The quote from the CPS saying SL and JC's DNA were both in the same car was from a book by Christopher Berry Dee called Talking with Psychopaths - A Journey Into the Evil Mind.

The DNA link to Sandra Court was purely from this on Cannan's Wikipedia -

"Additionally, after a red Ford Sierra that Cannan had access to when Court was murdered was discovered at a north London scrapyard during the Lamplugh reinvestigations of the early-2000s, two hairs were found inside that matched the DNA of Court. Despite this, the DNA evidence was not strong enough to bring a prosecution against Cannan for her murder."

The citation on Wikipedia is from a Channel 5 documentary but I also found this from the Daily Echo newspaper from 12 November 2002 which seems to back it up.

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I’ve followed up & was told officially no link to SL via DNA.

 

[ctaylor]

I’ve followed up & was told officially no link to SL via DNA.

Sorry for any confusion! You'll all know the ins and outs of this more than me.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

Apologies for any confusion, I just haven't read through all the threads in full. The author quotes the CPS as confirming DNA of both SL and JC were in that car. That book was published in 2017 so maybe debunked since but if it had been debunked before that, he clearly shouldn't have published it with that in it.

No need to apologise - it’s incredibly confusing & unclear. Also if chain of custody ok, advances re: DNA mean the hair could be looked at again in theory. CBD published in good faith I believe.

 

[lee sumner]

There was no link to SL at all via DNA. Officially confirmed. What’s out there is inaccurate & misleading although I think may have been given in good faith at time.

i knew it. no link to SL via DNA.

 

[lee sumner]

No need to apologise - it’s incredibly confusing & unclear. Also if chain of custody ok, advances re: DNA mean the hair could be looked at again in theory. CBD published in good faith I believe.

prime suspect is well written, but there is info that is not accurate. i enjoyed reading it, but knew the BS in the book. i dont think CBD wrote BS info on purpose.

 

[WestLondoner]

I think the confusion arose from the concept of a partial match of say 60%. This doesn't mean there's a 60% chance SJL was in the car. It means DNA matching 60% of the population, including herself, was found, i.e. 42 million people could have left it there.

A 99.9% match to SJL would mean that she and 0.01% of the populace - 70,000 people - could have left it there.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

No need to apologise - it’s incredibly confusing & unclear. Also if chain of custody ok advances re: DNA mean the hair could be looked at again.

I think the confusion arose from the concept of a partial match of say 60%. This doesn't mean there's a 60% chance SJL was in the car. It means DNA matching 60% of the population, including herself, was found, i.e. 42 million people could have left it there.

A 99.9% match to SJL would mean that she and 0.01% of the populace - 70,000 people - could have left it there.

I see the logic for that confusion. DNA can now be much more definitive. Were they testing autosomal DNA etc? Mitochondrial DNA much more generic. I was told definitively no link to SL.

In theory, autosomal DNA could now be extracted from the hair/hairs & SL & SC definitively ruled in or out. Even without a root.

 

[WestLondoner]

Don't know what they were testing, but it would be amazing if a DNA test in 2026 on a car set for scrapping in 2000 revealed a killer from 1986.

A little-parsed corollary is that whoever did this surely had accomplices to help hide bodies and move them between cars. I'd want to know who they were too.

 

[Lady Stoddart-West]

Don't know what they were testing, but it would be amazing if a DNA test in 2026 on a car set for scrapping in 2000 revealed a killer from 1986.

A little-parsed corollary is that whoever did this surely had accomplices to help hide bodies and move them between cars. I'd want to know who they were too.

They can do now via hair if they can successfully extract the DNA & chain of custody ok etc. Amazing what can be done & has been done in recent years.

On accomplices. ‘Galway’ perhaps one? Re: AL, it was interesting to see that article that said he felt SL never went to Stevenage Rd. Thinking DV felt same.

JT? If JC, JT really wanted to disassociate in later years, perhaps understandably. JC ‘friendly’ with his wife.

Also, there is an article I am looking for that discussed a theory police had re: a few people being involved.

 

[Clairybums]

i think this info is wrong. i have never heard this.

I either read about this recently or my brother may have told me about the dna of SL and Cannan and about there only being a 60% match. Part of the problem is there is so much posted out there and so many videos, sometimes it's hard to distinguish or identify what is fact and what is misinformation. Between that and cockups made in the first investigation and, from what I've now read on here, the interference from DL, it's no wonder some of us are confused.

P.s. Met up with an old friend today from 45 years ago. I met her around 1981, when we were 15 and she happened to live in Hestercombe Ave back then. I was shocked that she only had a vague memory of the SL case.

 

[Clairybums]

I am in awe at the depth of knowledge in these threads about this case!

Same!

 

[kes1972]

They can do now via hair if they can successfully extract the DNA & chain of custody ok etc. Amazing what can be done & has been done in recent years.

On accomplices. ‘Galway’ perhaps one? Re: AL, it was interesting to see that article that said he felt SL never went to Stevenage Rd. Thinking DV felt same.

JT? If JC, JT really wanted to disassociate in later years, perhaps understandably. JC ‘friendly’ with his wife.

Also, there is an article I am looking for that discussed a theory police had re: a few people being involved.

Thinking about that maybe jc had jt over a barrel so to speak with him being an accomplice or having knowledge of the event / his crimes he had to do what jc asked him to do including-driving jc up to sutton coldfield

 

[kes1972]

Thinking about that maybe jc had jt over a barrel so to speak with him being an accomplice or having knowledge of the event / his crimes he had to do what jc asked him to do including-driving jc up to sutton coldfield

Did jt have links to anywhere around south of england?

 

[kes1972]

Slight correction.

It's Richard Mahon, not Marne.


Coincidentally, just after RM got married, he and his wife were living in Epirus Road.

Epirus Road is the next road north of Shorrolds Road.

Both roads run west off of North End Road.

A small yet interesting nugget of coincidence.

Hi, Was rm the chef off of the qe2?