UK UK - Suzy Lamplugh, 25, Fulham, 28 July 1986

[asyousay]

Who are PSS & TS?

what are their relation to Suzy?

 

[Pinkizzy]

Dbm

 

[Pinkizzy]

I wonder whether MG travelled down to SLs flat in Putney after he tried to call her

 

[sian morris]

yes the AS book says that they looked in her diary and saw the appointment.
This does mean that they had not been verbally informed of it before MG left for his crocodile tears lunch, although we don't know whether SJL was in the habit of informing people if she had made lunchtime appointments to show homes. What we also know is that it was usual practice at the office to make a card for clients so that all clients were recorded and there was nothing at all for Mr Kipper so that suggests the appointment was made shortly before it was to occur, OR that SJL made it up.

If I were SJL and I made teh appointment up I would take the keys and particulars to lend credibility to my lie, otherwise she risked being found out. If it was important enough that she lie to get out of the office that lunchtime why not grab the keys and make it look plausible. And if it were a lie why did she pick that house? Because it was new and she knew no one else was going to show it that lunch or just after so she could get away with it?



Yes it seems that HR spoke to MG and who ever went with him to the house. HR spoke to MG and then later spoke to him again to add to his story the line about the bundling of the woman who he didnt remember clearly into a car. So whoever HR says he saw he definitely didnt confuse them with MG and AN Other.

This idea that he mixed them up was a good one but it doesn't fit with what happened as HR definitely spoke to MG more than once. Whether he called him the second time or MG went again to the house is unclear. AS doesn't say MG went back there.

We are assuming that all these witnesses, in particular MG, are good witnesses in the sense of remembering things and recalling them clearly and also acting in a logical way. MG seems not to have done so in the sense that he wasn't clear about the keys and whether he went into the house or not, and whether he led HR as a witness or not (why did HR suddenly come up with such an alarming story? am I the only one who finds that odd? A grown adult doesn't come back to her office for a few hours, her colleagues are trying to find her. Your first thought might be, she's messing around, got a new job and doesn't care about this, felt sick and went home and we missed a call, had a bit of a car accident and is stuck dealing with that, maybe got injured. It wouldn't be "she was abducted". And yet HR goes from yeah I saw this bloke who I recall in detail and some woman I can't really remember, to the woman was bundled into a car, within a couple of hours.

I would be really interested to know what conversations happened between MG and HR and when. How did he come to talk to MG? Was MG shouting for SJL because he could not get into the property and HR came out? (If the house next door is for sale and an estate agent popped round to see if his colleague was there, used the key to open the door, had a look inside and left, that would not prompt any attention from a neighbour. But if MG had no key, and was banging on the door shouting for SJL, knocking or peering through windows, a neighbour might come out to see what's going on.

Was HR someone who often embellished stories? There are some people who do this.

Was he led by MG? How alarmed did MG seem? If he checked the house once why woudl he go back there? There was no sign of SJL the first time. Did he ask HR to keep an eye out and called him from the office asking did you see her at the house since we were last there and HR now remembered seeing the car bundling?

'AS doesn't say MG went back there'. Yes he does, 'He returned to the house: still nothing.' (AS p10). Also, contrary to one of my previous posts, detectives DID enter and search ShRd (AS p10).

 

[WiseOwl]

If Suzy did intend to go to the Prince of Wales pub to collect her things that lunchtime then why keep it so quiet? Ok, we know the office was short-staffed that day and that MG would have liked the rest of the staff to give up their lunch hour and stay in the office - all hands on deck so to speak.

However, as he went to the pub at midday and knowing he would be some time (as he was going with the boss) then why didn't she just tell NH & SF she was popping out for half-an-hour to collect her things from the pub. I'm sure they wouldn't have minded, they had probably covered each others back's before so why would she keep it quiet from them?

 

[asyousay]

If Suzy did intend to go to the Prince of Wales pub to collect her things that lunchtime then why keep it so quiet? Ok, we know the office was short-staffed that day and that MG would have liked the rest of the staff to give up their lunch hour and stay in the office - all hands on deck so to speak.

However, as he went to the pub at midday and knowing he would be some time (as he was going with the boss) then why didn't she just tell NH & SF she was popping out for half-an-hour to collect her things from the pub. I'm sure they wouldn't have minded, they had probably covered each others back's before so why would she keep it quiet from them?

I still don’t understand why she wouldn’t of just gone and picked them after work as she lived a street over. I know she reportedly had a tennis session that night but she could of still gone to POW before she went home for the night.


I still confused why somebody would steal personal items of hers then leave them behind - to me this sounds personal and somebody she would of known as it wasn’t somebody stealing her purse. This was a diary which is a very item .IMO

 

[sian morris]

If Suzy did intend to go to the Prince of Wales pub to collect her things that lunchtime then why keep it so quiet? Ok, we know the office was short-staffed that day and that MG would have liked the rest of the staff to give up their lunch hour and stay in the office - all hands on deck so to speak.

However, as he went to the pub at midday and knowing he would be some time (as he was going with the boss) then why didn't she just tell NH & SF she was popping out for half-an-hour to collect her things from the pub. I'm sure they wouldn't have minded, they had probably covered each others back's before so why would she keep it quiet from them?

Were they short-staffed though? SL, NH, SF, JC and KR were in the office that lunchtime (AS). It's a bit ambiguous, but AS infers that KR also 'saw' SL pick up the keys and house details.

 

[asyousay]

Were they short-staffed though? SL, NH, SF, JC and KR were in the office that lunchtime (AS). It's a bit ambiguous, but AS infers that KR also 'saw' SL pick up the keys and house details.

She was the only one left in the office who could do that specific job I thought?


That’s why she has already had a argument that morning with a co-worker.


IMO

 

[sian morris]

Who are PSS & TS?

what are their relation to Suzy?

SL worked as a beautician before becoming an estate agent. Two of her clients were PSS & TS, a married couple, both of whom were given facials by SL. SL was tentatively hoping to go into business with PSS, a beauty and fitness enterprise (AS). They were friends.

According to AS, PSS was delighted that SL had found an older partner, as her husband 'was not comfortable in the company of younger adults like SL' as he was older. Now they would be able to go out as a foursome!!!

 

[sian morris]

She was the only one left in the office who could do that specific job I thought?


That’s why she has already had a argument that morning with a co-worker.


IMO

I see what you mean, but SF left the office that lunchtime to 'show a house to a client'. (AS)

 

[WiseOwl]

She was the only one left in the office who could do that specific job I thought?


That’s why she has already had a argument that morning with a co-worker.


IMO

There were two negotiators in the office that day, Suzy and NH.

MG said in his interview with DV that sometimes all three negotiators (the other one was DC, who was on holiday) would be out on viewings but as long as someone was available to answer the phones (like the office junior JC) then that was ok.

 

[asyousay]

There were two negotiators in the office that day, Suzy and NH.

MG said in his interview with DV that sometimes all three negotiators (the other one was DC, who was on holiday) would be out on viewings but as long as someone was available to answer the phones (like the office junior JC) then that was ok.

From the DV book it’s claimed she made up a fake appointment as she didn’t have permission to go out that afternoon as everybody else was out.

That’s what I remember from the book.

 

[asyousay]

SL worked as a beautician before becoming an estate agent. Two of her clients were PSS & TS, a married couple, both of whom were given facials by SL. SL was tentatively hoping to go into business with PSS, a beauty and fitness enterprise (AS). They were friends.

According to AS, PSS was delighted that SL had found an older partner, as her husband 'was not comfortable in the company of younger adults like SL' as he was older. Now they would be able to go out as a foursome!!!

Thank you it’s so hard to remember who is who with some many initials.


Is this where the reported £3000 was coming from?

 

[Terryb808]

The police flew HR to Belgium to where he said that R the diamond dealer who sometimes went by mother’s maiden name - almost ‘Kipper - actually bore a v close resemblance to man he saw at 37 Shorrolds. (The man who owned the stolen BMW identified in St John’s Wood many months later)

HR would be more inclined to remember an attractive male than female, this is obvious when he said he noticed the man, but not the woman.
Never seen any photos the Belgium diamond dealer, so don’t know if he’s instantly noticeable?
There are a few witnesses that have highlighted a number things that are coincidental.
HR and the diamond dealer.
The fact that he owned a LHD BMW.
That it was stolen and turned up in London.
He never tried to locate his stolen car.
A witness (be it many years later) said they saw SJL arguing with someone in a LHD BMW.
I have a lot of these coincidental things that just may relate to SJL’s disappearance. What’s needed is concrete confirmation on the dates & times these sightings occurred and more importantly when the witnesses came forward.
If we look outside of the CV & JC did it box these just may lead to another narrative completely.

 

[Konstantin]

'AS doesn't say MG went back there'. Yes he does, 'He returned to the house: still nothing.' (AS p10). Also, contrary to one of my previous posts, detectives DID enter and search ShRd (AS p10).

ahh ok. So do you think this could be when HR told him the updated version of the story?

it makes the most sense.

 

[sian morris]

There were two negotiators in the office that day, Suzy and NH.

MG said in his interview with DV that sometimes all three negotiators (the other one was DC, who was on holiday) would be out on viewings but as long as someone was available to answer the phones (like the office junior JC) then that was ok.

My mistake: thought NH was just the photographer, but seems he was a negotiator as well.

 

[sian morris]

ahh ok. So do you think this could be when HR told him the updated version of the story?

it makes the most sense.

It's a possibility.

 

[Pinkizzy]

If Suzy did intend to go to the Prince of Wales pub to collect her things that lunchtime then why keep it so quiet? Ok, we know the office was short-staffed that day and that MG would have liked the rest of the staff to give up their lunch hour and stay in the office - all hands on deck so to speak.

However, as he went to the pub at midday and knowing he would be some time (as he was going with the boss) then why didn't she just tell NH & SF she was popping out for half-an-hour to collect her things from the pub. I'm sure they wouldn't have minded, they had probably covered each others back's before so why would she keep it quiet from them?

SL told MG she was going to Putney on a shopping trip sometime that day (DV book). MG knew she'd be in that area. I know he wasn't keeping tabs on her, however she may have had an accident between Putney and the office - that's why she was late from lunch

 

[WiseOwl]

My mistake: thought NH was just the photographer, but seems he was a negotiator as well.

The photographer for the office was JC, the office junior. Suzy, NH & DC were the negotiators.

JC had apparently used Suzy's car that morning for a property shoot, and some have speculated that this is an explanation as to why the driver's seat was pushed back.

 

[WiseOwl]

HR would be more inclined to remember an attractive male than female, this is obvious when he said he noticed the man, but not the woman.
Never seen any photos the Belgium diamond dealer, so don’t know if he’s instantly noticeable?
There are a few witnesses that have highlighted a number things that are coincidental.
HR and the diamond dealer.
The fact that he owned a LHD BMW.
That it was stolen and turned up in London.
He never tried to locate his stolen car.
A witness (be it many years later) said they saw SJL arguing with someone in a LHD BMW.
I have a lot of these coincidental things that just may relate to SJL’s disappearance. What’s needed is concrete confirmation on the dates & times these sightings occurred and more importantly when the witnesses came forward.
If we look outside of the CV & JC did it box these just may lead to another narrative completely.

I have always believed the description given of the man that HR saw is MG.

Good looking, smartly dressed.

Does anybody else think the same or is it just me?