GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #3

[MobyBluff]

As she was caring for autistic children rather than sick people who might need nursing in the night, her shift was probably a "sleepover" type of shift, where she would have a bed and expect to be able to sleep unless an emergency arose. It's just to have sufficient adults on the premises in case they are needed.

Fair point

 

[MobyBluff]

Heard some absolute horror rumours that are doing the rounds in the local area last night. Obviously I cannot put any of them into this arena but needless to say I am now convinced there is more to come and if any of these rumours are found to be true I will give up trying to understand society.

 

[Clio]

It's strange too that he's done this interview on the Thursday night, with DS sitting there - no idea who else is in the room with him at that point but the interviewer says (I think from his Twitter) that SH and him are in the kitchen alone at one point and he seems quite open. DS must surely have known if his mum and SH scouted the funfair. The police will have went over everything step by step and probably with them all in the same room together as they're looking for a missing child at this point so no need to interview them seperately.

The interviewer said (on Twitter) that he had a private chat with CS, NS and DN so they were in the house aswell when the interview took place.

The bigger point for me is that CS must have known whether he was telling the truth or not! Either she was with him and they both searched the fair in which case why did the fairground people say what they did. Or it was a story that was invented for some reason and CS, and possibly others, were in on it. Or he made it up for the interview in which case why weren't the families alarm bells ringing like mad - maybe they were at that point.

I'm sure the police will have tracked SH/CS mobile phones and checked for sightings of the car on CCTV - it will all be part of the evidence which won't come out until the trial, if indeed there is a trial.

 

[Distant Observer]

If the Sun is right about Lord Carlile of Berriew Q.C. charging only £900 a day that would mean he is one of the cheapest lawyers in London. He also receives £22,000 a year as a non-executive director of Welsh agriculture company Wynnstay Group plc, which after the marginal rate of tax of 50% also works out at about £900 for attending each monthly board meeting in a remote part of Wales.

As he is 64 and approaching retirement, maybe he is keen to take on another high profile case before he writes his memoirs.

 

[laserdisc10]

If the Sun is right about Lord Carlile of Berriew Q.C. charging only £900 a day that would mean he is one of the cheapest lawyers in London. He also receives £22,000 a year as a non-executive director of Welsh agriculture company Wynnstay Group plc, which after the marginal rate of tax of 50% also works out at about £900 for attending each monthly board meeting in a remote part of Wales.

As he is 64 and approaching retirement, maybe he is keen to take on another high profile case before he writes his memoirs.

No one (now or in the future) will ever be able to say he wasn't provided adequate representation

 

[laserdisc10]

Hanging over the family's heads now of course is the spectre of the publicised 'serious case' review re: Tia

Whatever they know (and I am beginning to suspect outside forces may have been at play) the thought of losing not only their eldest child but possibly also the two younger kiddies to social services, would render the family highly cooperative, imo, insofar as they undertake (self monitoring) to keep certain of what they know/suspect/learn to themselves, for life

 

[josie1986]

As I mentioned before, I was in that area on that day and did stop near a fun fair, I was looking for a post office and the GPS in the car took me to a Cost Cutter shop adjacent to a fun fair (that looked lifeless to me). Could the Cost Cutter have CCTV? I would think that they would have.

Well given the description of the area and what "activities" go on there I imagine the whole place would be covered in cameras.

Heard some absolute horror rumours that are doing the rounds in the local area last night. Obviously I cannot put any of them into this arena but needless to say I am now convinced there is more to come and if any of these rumours are found to be true I will give up trying to understand society.

You are such a tease :floorlaugh:
Pm me? I'm far too nosey.


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[laserdisc10]

Not a Facebooker so haven't read CS's page/comments, etc. However, someone in this thread posted the link to CS's page and although I couldn't proceed past that point, nevertheless saw the photo there of Tia wearing what appeared to be an adult's bra (padded) beneath a dress that was too big for her (adult's?)

Every now and then I've tried to understand why a woman in her 40's would choose to display that photo of her grand-daughter

Guess investigators have had a team trawling the net, looking for other inappropriate photos of the child

 

[josie1986]

Not a Facebooker so haven't read CS's page/comments, etc. However, someone in this thread posted the link to CS's page and although I couldn't proceed past that point, nevertheless saw the photo there of Tia wearing what appeared to be an adult's bra (padded) beneath a dress that was too big for her (adult's?)

Every now and then I've tried to understand why a woman in her 40's would choose to display that photo of her grand-daughter

Guess investigators have had a team trawling the net, looking for other inappropriate photos of the child

It could have been a laugh and a carry on at the time but there is no need to take photos and certainly not display on Facebook,IMO that is asking for trouble.

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[laserdisc10]

It could have been a laugh and a carry on at the time but there is no need to take photos and certainly not display on Facebook,IMO that is asking for trouble.

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Yep. And trouble found Tia

 

[Inge Jones]

Yeah I am sure the occasional laugh with a 12yr old dressing in Granny's dresses with a huge bra can happen in any loving home, but only the very naive would then post it publicly on a social networking site. And even leaving aside the attention of possible pedophiles, you'd run the risk of other people tut-tutting on grounds of inappropriateness.

 

[MobyBluff]

It could have been a laugh and a carry on at the time but there is no need to take photos and certainly not display on Facebook,IMO that is asking for trouble.

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Indeed, why have a picture of your grandchild as your profile picture anyway? That's a little odd in itself, or maybe not. I dunno.

 

[JTOL_1984]

Heard some absolute horror rumours that are doing the rounds in the local area last night. Obviously I cannot put any of them into this arena but needless to say I am now convinced there is more to come and if any of these rumours are found to be true I will give up trying to understand society.

Intriguing. I'm not aware of what these rumours involve, but given the hints so far in the media and on Facebook/Twitter etc. (that the circumstances of SH's arrest were 'extrordinary' and the person on the course with the so-called family friend who said it was 'disgusting' and that there was a lot the papers weren't reporting etc.) I think it might be far beyond the realms of our suspicions what really happened. Of course, the 'disgusting' part could point to police 'incompetence' in finding Tia's body- perhaps it's even worse than what's been reported, and of course, the whole situation is disgusting- but it does hint at something even worse than what we already know. That's a very chilling thought.

Given SH's public appearances and his criminal past, I suspect it was an accident which for some reason was covered up by hiding her body, or maybe Tia took some drugs of SH's that were in the house and died as a result so SH covered it up- his emotion in the televised interview may have been genuine sadness and remorse at what had happened. His previous convictions don't indicate paedophilia to me- but remember, there might be other convictions we're not aware of so nothing would surprise me. But he was so convincing- maybe he's just more manipulative than anyone realised, he took in the public and Tia's own family with his lies and maybe Tia really was killed in cold blood or abuse or 'pimping' was involved... I am not convinced either way.

All these 'rumours' suggest it can't really be an accident that was covered up though IMO. Not that I would ever have sympathy for someone who hid a body in the loft for a week while her mother was worried sick and lead the police on a wild-goose-chase, but it's an entirely different scenario if that person died as part of a tragic accident which was covered up by her shocked and confused 'grandad' when he wasn't thinking straight and then things spiralled out of control from there so he felt he just had to keep up with the lies. I think it might be even more disturbing than that.

 

[Inge Jones]

Indeed, why have a picture of your grandchild as your profile picture anyway? That's a little odd in itself, or maybe not. I dunno.

Sadly not. It's pretty common, a similar tribute to getting their name tattooed on you. I don't like it myself, but facebook is full of these sentiments

 

[JTOL_1984]

Not a Facebooker so haven't read CS's page/comments, etc. However, someone in this thread posted the link to CS's page and although I couldn't proceed past that point, nevertheless saw the photo there of Tia wearing what appeared to be an adult's bra (padded) beneath a dress that was too big for her (adult's?)

I think you can view this without being a member of Facebook- I am not 'friends' with CS/CB obviously but could still view her page. When you get to her main page with the photo of Tia, look down the left side and click onto the 'wall' option and you should be able to view the comments. I may be wrong, but I'm sure when I viewed it I wasn't logged into Facebook and I could still see it so it should work for non-members who wouldn't be logged in either.

 

[Inge Jones]

Another theory I have just pulled out of thin air is someone came to the house who the accused owed drug money to and killed the girl in revenge. SH and maybe others in the family too scared to inform in case others in the family get harmed.

When we still thought she was just missing, I did wonder if he'd given her some money to go collect some drugs for him, and something happened to her in the dealer's house, and again SH not feeling able to say for fear of reprisal. That would explain why she had taken nothing but some cash.

 

[Adorabella]

Just been thinking about G'ma and her possible involvement and was wondering whether if there are any other reasons other than SH implicating her in a non-existent fairground search that point to her collusion in some way?

Perhaps she was shocked when she heard that and then spoke to the police herself....and had also noticed an odour emanating from the loft space and put two and two together....?

We have no idea what was going on behind the scenes with any of these characters.

Perhaps that expression on her face on the day the body was found was not because she is involved but more because it was becoming very clear that her grand-daughter had been killed and the body hidden in her loft and the most likely culprit was her 'boyfriend.'

I have to say, I'm not convinced there's anything remotely 'romantic' about their relationship, it seems more convenience based to me.

 

[JTOL_1984]

When we still thought she was just missing, I did wonder if he'd given her some money to go collect some drugs for him, and something happened to her in the dealer's house, and again SH not feeling able to say for fear of reprisal. That would explain why she had taken nothing but some cash.

I'm sure sometimes young children are used as 'drug mules' to deliver drugs to addicts as it's often less likely to create suspicion than someone who looks like a classic dealer- I saw it on TV once I'm sure. Maybe SH was still dealing and using Tia to deliver drugs and somehow her death is tied in to this- either she threatened to tell (maybe it was a secret to family members so she threatened to tell her mum, or maybe not- and that's why they covered for him *if* he's guilty and *if* they covered at all), or perhaps someone related to the drugs scene killed her *if* maybe SH went out and left Tia alone... Just a thought.

 

[JTOL_1984]

Heard some absolute horror rumours that are doing the rounds in the local area last night. Obviously I cannot put any of them into this arena but needless to say I am now convinced there is more to come and if any of these rumours are found to be true I will give up trying to understand society.

Moby, are you allowed/able to PM me the rumours you have heard also. I can't help thinking it's even worse than the scenarios I'm imagining. I want to believe the slightly 'rose-tinted' idea she died in an accident that was covered up, but I can't shake that there's more to it. Thanks.

 

[MobyBluff]

Moby, are you allowed/able to PM me the rumours you have heard also. I can't help thinking it's even worse than the scenarios I'm imagining. I want to believe the slightly 'rose-tinted' idea she died in an accident that was covered up, but I can't shake that there's more to it. Thanks.

To be honest I don't want to be any part of any spreading of sick rumours based on hearsay only, it's one thing sleuthing on here, quite another repeating vile rumours. But the fact that they are doing the rounds shows the intense feelings surrounding this case and emphasises most of our suspicions that there is more going on than meets the eye.