UT - Jessica Lyman, 44, and son, Eli Painter, 8, died from shooting in their home, Saratoga Springs, March 28, 2025

[Seattle1]

That’s what’s concerning. His sister (the 17 year old) and him share the same father, so if he is with his dad then he’s most likely also with his sister… I can only imagine that’s a recipe for disaster.

Maybe he’s in a mental institution? Either way, where he needs to be is behind bars. I can’t believe an arrest hasn’t been made especially given the evidence.

Thank you. I've seen the 15 yr old referred to as the "step-brother" so this must mean step-brother to the child or victim Eli. Confusing...

 

[mickey2942]

We see so many incidents of "Matricide" here, I wonder why?

Matricide - Wikipedia

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[ChatteringBirds]

We see so many incidents of "Matricide" here, I wonder why?

Matricide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't know if it's happening more often in the U.S. now than in past decades; that would be informative to find out.

But I believe there is currently a problem with some Internet influencers teaching teenage boys misogynistic and sexist ideas and teenagers in general that parents/adults are the enemy.

I also think children and teens have so much exposure to violence now, that they are more desensitized than ever. Even just easy streaming of R-rated movies all day long, nevermind Youtube videos, TikTok, gaming, music videos, Anime, etc. all depicting violence.

 

[mickey2942]

I don't know if it's happening more often in the U.S. now than in past decades; that would be informative to find out.

But I believe there is currently a problem with some Internet influencers teaching teenage boys misogynistic and sexist ideas and teenagers in general that parents/adults are the enemy.

I also think children and teens have so much exposure to violence now, that they are more desensitized than ever. Even just easy streaming of R-rated movies all day long, nevermind Youtube videos, TikTok, gaming, music videos, Anime, etc. all depicting violence.

40 years ago...I did a Masters Thesis on "Juvenile Crime and Rehabilitation". And at that time, before the internet, I used microfiche machines, card catalogs, to research "Juvenile Crime" data.

1985 The data for murder was almost nil, rape, hardly any felonies.

Now, we see those crimes done by Juveniles, literally, on a daily basis. Numerous crimes. I just can't believe the changes.

 

[jess131267]

Possibly matching mask found in home of Saratoga Springs double-murder, search warrant states

A search warrant connected to the shooting deaths of a Saratoga Springs woman and her 8-year-old son reveals evidence that was found when police searched the home months ago.

www.fox13now.com

7/8/25

---Trigger Warning---- Unsealed Warrant Information at MSM link.

Where can I find the unsealed Warrant, please?

 

[Seattle1]

Unsealed warrants reveal details in murder of Saratoga Springs woman, 8-year-old son

Newly unsealed search warrants in the March double homicide of a mother and her young son reveal new details — and references the woman’s 15-year-old son.Jessic

kjzz.com

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7/7/25​

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No murder weapon found​

Police conducted an extensive search of the home and the nearby Jordan River but did not recover any weapons.

KUTV has reached out to Saratoga Springs Police for information on the current status of the 15-year-old son, including whether he is in custody or facing charges.

An official said no arrests have been made and they are continuing to investigate.

 

[cocomod]

I am honestly so surprised he there hasn’t been an arrested yet. I live in this general area and my heart hurts

 

[angelainwi]

40 years ago...I did a Masters Thesis on "Juvenile Crime and Rehabilitation". And at that time, before the internet, I used microfiche machines, card catalogs, to research "Juvenile Crime" data.

1985 The data for murder was almost nil, rape, hardly any felonies.

Now, we see those crimes done by Juveniles, literally, on a daily basis. Numerous crimes. I just can't believe the changes.

I had 5 felonies at the age of 15 in 1990. I definitely wasn't a unicorn. But the charges today are much more violent. Mine were stupid felony theft and fraud charges...oops. They did take custody away from my parents for those back then tho. I had to move into a group home for the waywards. Story for another day.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Unsealed warrants reveal details in murder of Saratoga Springs woman, 8-year-old son

Newly unsealed search warrants in the March double homicide of a mother and her young son reveal new details — and references the woman’s 15-year-old son.Jessic

kjzz.com

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7/7/25​

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No murder weapon found​

Police conducted an extensive search of the home and the nearby Jordan River but did not recover any weapons.

KUTV has reached out to Saratoga Springs Police for information on the current status of the 15-year-old son, including whether he is in custody or facing charges.

An official said no arrests have been made and they are continuing to investigate.

Also:

The documents mention that doctors were concerned about the condition in which Lyman was found. They found possibly DNA and semen on the victim.

 

[Bounceycat]

This case has stayed with me and I keep checking Google for updates. I can't believe there hasn't been an arrest yet!

 

[scapa]

This case has stayed with me and I keep checking Google for updates. I can't believe there hasn't been an arrest yet!

Agree. From coverage of the search warrants and other details it seems pretty clear that the 15YO may have been involved.

Is he living with the father? Someone else? In custody?

 

[Warwick7]

Agree. From coverage of the search warrants and other details it seems pretty clear that the 15YO may have been involved.

Is he living with the father? Someone else? In custody?

How incredibly sad...

 

[bluestsocks]

This case has stayed with me and I keep checking Google for updates. I can't believe there hasn't been an arrest yet!

I’m also very surprised there hasn’t been an arrest, given everything that’s been revealed from the warrants.

 

[maamager]

no updates makes me think they have no DNA from the son at all, and that DNA of whoever did this is an unknown male. surely there would be an arrest by now, even if there is an overabundance of caution due to being a minor? that only affirms my belief once i read about the strange figures in the security cameras. what an odd case this is.... so sad.

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder if he's in a secure mental health facility or something. That would explain why he hasn't been charged yet.

 

[cocomod]

I wonder if he's in a secure mental health facility or something. That would explain why he hasn't been charged yet.

I hope that you are correct. I would hate to think he is free all of this time. I would think that they could have tested the semen to determine if it was him and possibly he is being held on r@p3 charges for now?

 

[cocomod]

Another article that was written in July, but I don't see it posted. This teen seemed to have some serious anger issues!

Police Detail Teen's Angry Texts to Mom — Before She and 8-Year-Old Were Found Dead in Bed

Unsealed court documents reveal hostile texts a 15-year-old allegedly sent to his mom months before she and his younger son were shot in their Utah home. The warrant details bodily fluids at the scene, a handwritten note and a mask found in the teen’s bedroom.

people.com

 

[Seattle1]

Some personal info about the victims in the comments here. Also. a good recap by Mike King.

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4/10/25

Who Murdered Mom & 8-Yr Old Son? | Profiling Evil​

 

[Seattle1]

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4/9/25

Utah Mom, Son Found Covered in Blood in Mysterious Death Investigation​

 

[Bounceycat]

Sept 26, 2025

Police still investigating 6 months after Saratoga Springs double homicide

Police said Friday the investigation into the shooting deaths of a 44-year-old woman and her 8-year-old son is “active and ongoing,” but nobody has been arrested six months after the two were discovered in their Utah County home.

ksltv.com

No new information of note, really.