VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #2 - ***READ FIRST POST***

[Saracen]

Ok I know that I am behind everyone else on here but here is my point anyway, after watching the Vanished Vids, what bugs me is how the 'bass player' knew something had happened to Amy before any announcment that somebody was missing, and also how he could change his story when questioned by the FBI under a lie detector test...

 

[Chorley8]

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=24282
Traits and Habits: Last seen on a cruise ship
Very friendly, active and outgoing
Very athletic- attended college on a basketball scholarship
Smokes Marlboro Lights cigarettes
Drinks Coca-Cola and Miller Lite
Likes hard candy
Wears all silver jewelry
Likes black onyx

A helpful list. Black onyx is beautiful a good enough reason for some people to like it.

SOME people (and I caution I, at least, don't know in Amy's case) also wear certain stones for spiritual/psychological/health reasons. I attach a short article about the "meaning" of onyx one aspect it is to end troublesome relationships and horribly ironically from our perspective to become relatively "invisible" and to ward off negative attentions. There are no doubt better articles on this if anyone thinks it is even slightly relevant.

Some things are just tastes, like hard candy, but some people are into either the symbolism of gemstones it would be interesting to know in Amy's case, unless we already do and I missed it.

I am certain Amy was kidnapped, the sightings are real (and really one would only need to believe in even one of them to come to the same conclusion, a hopeful one, that we are looking for a live person.)

But a key point we need consensus on and maybe again, one of the old pros on this thread or a mod can lead us here: was Yellow one of the handlers? For sure?

I would be interested to know whether the FBI or Amy's family would be willing to give immunity (as regards prosecution) to someone with helpful information. Such as Yellow or anyone else involved. Even that they could collect the award AND get immunity.

There is no way this is all the work of one person. They have to get into the case somehow and I wondering if that would not be the best way. The award in itself is not working that has to be because nobody wants a big award and life in prison.

Especially if Y is verified as one of the handlers which I am not sure of.

Also Baxter or Zaglianitis.

 

[dotr]

Looking for unusual practices involving black onx and happened to come across this interesting social faux pas and thought of Amy's father receiving request from waiters for her to join them at club...
bbm.
"Etiquette

Formal etiquette is adapted from European etiquette. The small scale of the island societies influences everyday interaction patterns. To outside observers, communication styles lack openness and goal orientation. Respect for authority structures and gender and age roles are important. Refusing a request is considered impolite"


Read more: Culture of Netherlands Antilles - history, people, traditions, women, beliefs, food, customs, family, social http://www.everyculture.com/Ma-Ni/Netherlands-Antilles.html#ixzz26emksVUl

 

[Cazzie]

My wish list: to spot Amy wherever and ultimately get her to safety, and home.

The thought of her reaching out for help multiple times just torments me endlessly.

 

[Kristin83]

My wish list: to spot Amy wherever and ultimately get her to safety, and home.

The thought of her reaching out for help multiple times just torments me endlessly.

Same here. Each time she was sooooo close (the 1998 beach sighting, the 1999 brothel sighting, and the 2005 restroom sighting) but in each of those the witnesses didn't realize who she was at that time. And I'm guessing there's many more we don't know about and the people didn't realize they were looking right at her.

 

[nosyone]

4am this morning, my eyes popped open and I was thinking of Amy's case and a couple of thoughts and a couple of questions came to mind.
The abduction was obviously supposed to have occurred in Aruba at the club she was invited to by the waiters. My question is, how soon after sailing did the "creepy" waiters begin to talk with Amy? Was it immediately or a slow progression of interest?

The hotel/brothel that the Naval Officer saw Amy in, burnt to the ground. I am thinking that the pictures that were placed on the website could have been taken there, thus, the different style room and older style headboard that no one can identify. Does this not seem odd to anyone? That the very hotel she was seen in just burnt to the ground?

 

[neesaki]

Found the widow's peak info. Am reposting it here purely as an FYI -- the verified poster felt they were the same; however, the pics are such poor quality that (for me) it's hard to tell definitively either way.





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The hair is obscuring her hairline so I can't tell if there's a widows peak or not.

 

[neesaki]

Dotr you probably (and hopefully!) have better eyes than me I can't really see anything in the left hand maybe someone can help.

Nor I. And I don't see anything suspicious about her either, just appears to be having a good time and is fortunate enough to have a guy who actually knows how to dance a little, LOL.

Did someone mention she looked Mediterranean or something? She looks totally Caucasian to me, :dunno:.

 

[danzn16]

Ok I know that I am behind everyone else on here but here is my point anyway, after watching the Vanished Vids, what bugs me is how the 'bass player' knew something had happened to Amy before any announcment that somebody was missing, and also how he could change his story when questioned by the FBI under a lie detector test...

except the verified insider said this was false and that it was actually a waiter that said "sorry about your sister" to Amy's brother before anyone knew Amy was missing. ???

 

[dotr]

I posted this very interesting Guardian article about Rebecca back toward the end of Thread 1. Really worth a read, imo. She disappeared almost 13 years to the exact day/hour of Amy's disappearance. Almost the exact same age.



http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/11/rebecca-coriam-lost-at-sea?cat=uk&type=article

Very interesting link, thanks for posting. This caught my eye, among other other things- cctv everywhere, but one wonders who is being watched and by whom?
From the same link...
"Think of where those cruise workers are from," he said. "They're low paid, from third-world countries, on those ships for nine months at a time. The sexual crime rate is 50% higher than in the average American city."

It's true that passengers on just one ship – the Carnival Valor – reported nine sexual assaults to the FBI in less than one year. "You're on a ship," Carver said. "There's no police. Once you leave the port, you're in international waters. Who do you think is attracted to working on those ships?"

 

[Wondergirl]

I posted this very interesting Guardian article about Rebecca back toward the end of Thread 1. Really worth a read, imo. She disappeared almost 13 years to the exact day/hour of Amy's disappearance. Almost the exact same age.



http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/11/rebecca-coriam-lost-at-sea?cat=uk&type=article

Thank-you, Jaime, I didn't see that. What you said about the coincidence, well, when I looked at Rebecca's picture, I immediately thought of Amy.

Wholesome.

Here is my answer:

When Rebecca Coriam vanished from the Disney Wonder in March, hers became one of the 171 mysterious cruise ship disappearances in the past decade

 

[Wondergirl]

very interesting link, thanks for posting. This caught my eye, among other other things- cctv everywhere, but one wonders who is being watched and by whom?
From the same link...
"think of where those cruise workers are from," he said. "they're low paid, from third-world countries, on those ships for nine months at a time. The sexual crime rate is 50% higher than in the average american city."

it's true that passengers on just one ship – the carnival valor – reported nine sexual assaults to the fbi in less than one year. "you're on a ship," carver said. "there's no police. Once you leave the port, you're in international waters. Who do you think is attracted to working on those ships?"

bingo.

 

[~n/t~]

I honestly don't see a connection to Amy's case. Different cruise ship. Different route. Different circumstances.

To get a perspective of what percentage of mysterious disappearances on a cruise ship versus the number of people who take cruises each year, I looked up the statistics.

These are 2010 figures. In 2010, 14 million people took a cruise. If we estimate the same amount of people each year then in a decade there would have been 140 million people.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/cruise-ship-industry-statistics/

The article posted by JamieSommers quoted 171 mysterious disappearances in a decade that equals to .00012% (if my math is correct).

I understand how detrimental it is for a family member to lose a loved one under suspicious circumstances and also when they're left with more questions than answers but we need to put things in perspective as well.

It appears to me that cruises are one heck of a lot safer than walking down streets in some major cities in North America.

Again, I don't see a connection between Rebecca's and Amy's case but if someone can point me to perhaps a link to where there may have been a crew member or band member on that same ship then we may have something to work with.

Until then, I think these are separate sad circumstances without a connection whatsoever.

Do I believe crimes happen on crusies? Absolutely. Do I believe they cover up some of these crimes? Absolutely.

This is a 40 billion dollar industry a year.

Where is Amy and what happened to her? IMO, someone has the answer but for whatever reason, they are untouchable.

 

[Ashfox]

Is the waiter who gave her the creeps the one we have posted in the no discussion thread? Could he be the same person who asked her to Carlos and Charles, is he the same one who told the brother he was sorry to hear about what happened? Is he the same one who looks IMO like unidentifed man number one? Yellow had to hand Amy off to someone... is the ship Amy was on still in service? I am so curious to see what the second floor of the disco looks like... what are the other areas that leads to? On the cruise ship I was on I peeked into the restricted area that was for crew only the halls were deserted not a person around and this wasnt very late at night I am sure it would be even more deserted with the ship getting ready to dock... how many ways are there to exit the ship i know of two myself the area the guests load and unload from and the other area where ive seen the crew members re enter... i know now that if you are a crew member you have to swipe a badge when you come and go as well thats why i think they took amy off the ship covered in something.

 

[JaimeSommers]

I honestly don't see a connection to Amy's case. Different cruise ship. Different route. Different circumstances.

I never said there was a direct connection to Amy's case. The connection, in my opinion, is the lack of action by the cruise line (owned by Royal Caribbean), the secrecy, and the criminal element on some cruise ships. My mentioning that Rebecca's disappearance was almost on the same day years later, and the age similarities, were nothing more than (to me) eerie coincidences. YMMV.

 

[~n/t~]

IIRC, the insider said the waiter was ruled out.

 

[JaimeSommers]

Is the waiter who gave her the creeps the one we have posted in the no discussion thread? Could he be the same person who asked her to Carlos and Charles, is he the same one who told the brother he was sorry to hear about what happened? Is he the same one who looks IMO like unidentifed man number one?

1. Yes, the one in the hat.

2. He is the same one who invited Amy to C&C's and who expressed he was sorry Amy was missing.

3. The verified insider posted that he had been ruled out as being any of the handlers in the sketches. I just reread the post yesterday in which this was stated. Will try to find it again and repost.

 

[Ashfox]

thanks ill have to leave the waiter alone now LOL

 

[~n/t~]

thanks ill have to leave the waiter alone now LOL

I wanted to make sure so I searched for the post. #42 First Thread



09-02-2012, 06:33 PM
FindAmy
Inactive Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 694

Quote:
Originally Posted by FightTheOstrich
Could the man on the left seen in Barbados be Eduardo the waiter? The mouth appears somewhat similar....



Good eye. Eduardo Cabrita has been ruled out.

 

[JaimeSommers]

thanks ill have to leave the waiter alone now LOL

Oh, I'm not so sure he should be left alone. It's just that he wasn't one of the identified handlers.

Originally Posted by FindAmy
Yes. Eduardo Cabrita is the head waiter who was overly attentive and invited Amy to Carlos and Charlies. He is also the one who approached Brad the next morning and expressed how sorry he was to hear that his sister was missing. This was before anyone knew Amy was missing. During his interview with the FBI, Cabrita told them that Iva had been asking what would happen if someone fell off of the ship. Iva never had any discussions with this guy. Iva made several requests for Cabrita to be polygraphed. She was never given any results. The photo below was taken two days before Amy disappeared. Eduardo Cabrita is from Portugual.

The photo being referenced is the one of him in the hat. Our insider also said that it was believed that the photo was taken by Iva Bradley.

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