VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #2 - ***READ FIRST POST***

[neesaki]

http://www.caribbeaninstyle.com/imgs/jets/newyorktimes.pdf

This New York Times article gives some idea of the cost of private jets in 2007. Richmond is a lot further than Florida I doubt it would cost less than 30,000 dollars unless the boss had a corporate rate which is possible.

I was remembering it to be the boss's personal or maybe the company's private jet. Maybe I'm wrong, will have to look back to verify.

 

[Chorley8]

I too have been quite confused about the Curacao versus Puerto Rico thing. I mean, this is straight from the AmyBradley.net website on the page explaining the lawsuit filed by the Bradley's attorneys. It states she was removed from the ship after it docked in Puerto Rico then shoved into a waiting taxi.

Did FA ever help us to reconcile the present search including for BX and Z with some of the these earlier held beliefs of the family? I mean it was actually put forward in a law-suit that is important.

 

[Ashfox]

I was remembering it to be the boss's personal or maybe the company's private jet. Maybe I'm wrong, will have to look back to verify.

I think you are right I think it was the companies maybe...

 

[dotr]

Odd coincidence that both Amy and "attentive waiter" had Tasmanian Devil tattoos.I imagine it had something to do with sports, or cartoon - did the waiter think it might score points with Amy, did the waiter acquire it before Amy did? Did anyone question why she wore a man's watch?
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasmanian_devil"]Tasmanian devil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

"It is a common belief that devils will eat humans. While they are known to eat the bodies of murder victims or people who have committed suicide, there are prevalent myths that it eats living humans who wander into the bush.[134] Despite outdated beliefs and exaggerations regarding their disposition, many, although not all, devils will remain still when in the presence of a human; some will also shake nervously. It can bite and scratch out of fear when held by a human, but a firm grip will cause it to remain still"

 

[~n/t~]

Odd coincidence that both Amy and "attentive waiter" had Tasmanian Devil tattoos.I imagine it had something to do with sports, or cartoon - did the waiter think it might score points with Amy, did the waiter acquire it before Amy did? Did anyone question why she wore a man's watch?
Tasmanian devil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"It is a common belief that devils will eat humans. While they are known to eat the bodies of murder victims or people who have committed suicide, there are prevalent myths that it eats living humans who wander into the bush.[134] Despite outdated beliefs and exaggerations regarding their disposition, many, although not all, devils will remain still when in the presence of a human; some will also shake nervously. It can bite and scratch out of fear when held by a human, but a firm grip will cause it to remain still"

Oh my. I didn't know the waiter had the same tattoo. What are the chances of that? Is Taz tattoo popular? I have no clue.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

What was Amy's curriculum in college? Was she an Education major or more towards Physical Education major? Was she taking these classes to be a teacher? Did she have to take any psychology courses?

 

[neesaki]

My Bolding:

I think that they did do searches in the water and air for Amy if I remember correctly. I have to also say when I took my cruise I missed the ship. I was hysterical when I came back to the port and saw my ship leaving they said they waited an extra 15 minutes for me and when I didnt show up they gave another cruise line who was docked there my passport in case I came back so that way I could get home. Do we know if any other ships were docked with her RC ship there in Curaco or was it the only ship? Dont ask me why I am asking these questions lol I have no idea it just was something I was thinking about... I was up late last night thinking about how completely helpless she must have felt being in a totally different place with nothing at all of hers.

Post #150 (thread one) Posted by FindAmy: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8186737#post8186737"]SPOTLIGHT CASE VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - Page 6 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Prior to her disappearance, Amy had spoken with several women from Sea Org and the Freewinds, who were on the cruise ship. The Freewinds was docked near Rhapsody of the Seas, because Curacao is the home base of the Freewinds. The night that Amy disappeared, several high ranking Scientologists went to the Bradley's stateroom. They were dishonest when they claimed that they had been sent by the US Embassy. Many now believe that the Scientologists were attempting to recruit the Bradley family in their moment of extreme vulnerability. They were taking advantage of the family's fragile emotions. Scientology has sent cease orders to the Bradley family because of public accusations that have been made. These accusations now present a potential liability for them.

 

[neesaki]

I am not sure why the family left the boat again flew home from St. Thomas. As they were leaving the boat was arriving in Puerto Rico.

Ron's boss chartered a Lear Jet for them. I will just guess that maybe or more of Amy's family were cracking up under the strain (?). (Or in line with what I recently suggested and C.M. concurred with could someone in the company be trying to get the family back to the U.S.)?

Why do this and why this huge expense? I'd be wanting to talk as long as possible to people on the boat surely some others would be interested I doubt everyone of the boat is completely shallow and wouldn't care about a missing woman - also Puerto Rico has a very different status politically vis a vis the U.S. And since the trip was ending there Puerto Rico would be one place you would want to make sure she was not being smuggled off.

Anyone know what the status of the FBI and American Law Enforcement is in Puerto Rico?

As I understand it the Puerto Rico sighting is unverified but it makes some logical sense it IS eerie how close in nature it is to the other sightings with a handler controlling Amy etc. It could be fiction but why does it fit the later Curacao and Barbadoes and San Fran stories so closely?

It is totally possible that Amy was on the boat until Puerto Rico. Also do we know where the boat went and when after Puerto Rico?

There are no doubt innumerable places to hide someone on board a ship and as someone pointed out there is information the Captain may have been around when this ship was being commissioned and built?

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This is similar to what was stated in the lawsuit - S&BBM
From:
Amy Interrupted - http://www.styleweekly.com/richmond...ly-refuses-to-give-up-the/Content?oid=1390272

According to a lawsuit the Bradleys filed against Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd. last month alleging negligent security and other charges, the Spanish-speaking man told Iva's friend that he saw Amy &#8212; four days after her disappearance &#8212; being forced into a taxicab at the terminal at San Juan, Puerto Rico shortly after Rhapsody of the Seas docked there on March 28, 1998, the day that should have been the last day of the family's aborted week-long cruise.

Providing previously unpublished details not mentioned in the lawsuit, Bradley's lawyers say the witness was a Puerto Rican local who was studying to be a police officer. He called Iva Bradley after seeing a story about Amy on Puerto Rican television and recognizing her photo as the woman he had seen just days before.

Andrew Hall, one of the Miami-based attorneys representing the family in the lawsuit, says the witness claims that Amy was under the control of a man wearing a baseball cap.

"It was a clear day and she passed right by [the witness]," Hall says of the Puerto Rican man's account. "She was firmly held. Her appearance was not that of a happy person, to say the least. The [witness] thought they were fighting. They didn't look like they were getting along, like they were disagreeing."

The witness said the man in the ballcap then guided a disoriented-looking Amy into a taxi, leading her much like a policeman would direct a suspect into the back seat of a squad car, according to Hall.

Hall won't say more about the alleged abductor or the eyewitness for fear of harming the investigation, he says, though he adds there is a suspect in Amy's disappearance.

 

[Saracen]

Oh my. I didn't know the waiter had the same tattoo. What are the chances of that? Is Taz tattoo popular? I have no clue.

Did Amy have that tatoo before she went on this trip?

 

[neesaki]

What was Amy's curriculum in college? Was she an Education major or more towards Physical Education major? Was she taking these classes to be a teacher? Did she have to take any psychology courses?

I thought I had read about Amy's educational background somewhere but can't find exactly what I was looking for. As far as psychology courses, there would be some basic ones only in her undergraduate studies. But if she was going to major in sports psychology that would have involved more. Anyway, this is all I was able to come up with thus far, sorry :sigh:

On the Monday after Amy was to get back from the cruise, she was to start working as a marketing and office assistant for Mary and her husband Mike, who own a software company.

Amy had cut her hours at Ruth's Chris Steak House, where she worked full-time, so she could take the job. Long-term, Amy was thinking about getting a masters in sports psychology or opening a sports bar.

 

[Wondergirl]

Odd coincidence that both Amy and "attentive waiter" had Tasmanian Devil tattoos.I imagine it had something to do with sports, or cartoon - did the waiter think it might score points with Amy, did the waiter acquire it before Amy did? Did anyone question why she wore a man's watch?
Tasmanian devil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"It is a common belief that devils will eat humans. While they are known to eat the bodies of murder victims or people who have committed suicide, there are prevalent myths that it eats living humans who wander into the bush.[134] Despite outdated beliefs and exaggerations regarding their disposition, many, although not all, devils will remain still when in the presence of a human; some will also shake nervously. It can bite and scratch out of fear when held by a human, but a firm grip will cause it to remain still"

Do you have a link, Dotr? Maybe I missed that.

WHEN did EC get the Taz tattoo???

 

[neesaki]

Respectfully snipped for space and content. BBM

I hope nobody will be offended if I just bring up a couple of discrepancies between the Vanished and Mysteries shows as well as as magazine articles.

In Vanished Ron says he went back to sleep after seeing Amy at 5:30 because he knew they were planning to get up in twenty minutes to have breakfast because they were planning to go into Curacao. In the other show he says he woke up at 6:00 but he doesn't know why, something just made him wake up. Vanished is the later show obviously so in effect there he claims to have known he was going to get up in 20 minutes and then does, in the earlier show he doesn't seem to be planning to get up but something, he doesn't know what wakes, him. In the earlier show he seems slightly annoyed when he asks Amy to turn off the light (a simulation) and when he insists that he would have shut the balcony door.

The times of when Amy arrives back to the cabin vary a lot. Some say 5 minutes after Brad. But one article says the ship lock system recorded I think 3:40 for Brad that article doesn't give a time for Amy but on Vanished Brad says she came back between 4:15 and 4:30. Lot's more time for Amy to be talking to someone alone though on the other hand they seemed to be separated for a lot of the night anyway.

I have no idea if these are significant differances or what it would mean if anything. Just documenting it.

http://www.ehow.com/how_2323457_jet-ski-two-people.html

Ok, I didn't even realize there were discrepancies until the last 30 minutes, so I really am , as to the time that Amy and Brad returned to the
cabin. I had always understood they had returned together. But, :no:?:dunno:
This is what is reported here:
From Part II Amy Interrupted http://www.styleweekly.com/richmond/part-ii/Content?oid=1390780

About 3:45 a.m., Brad and Amy returned to the room. They went out onto the balcony to smoke, but Ron woke up because they had left on the bathroom light. He told Amy to turn it off and the last thing he remembered before going to sleep was the glow of her Marlboro Light as she walked past.

 

[Dushi]

I too have been quite confused about the Curacao versus Puerto Rico thing. I mean, this is straight from the AmyBradley.net website on the page explaining the lawsuit filed by the Bradley's attorneys. It states she was removed from the ship after it docked in Puerto Rico then shoved into a waiting taxi.

Is this suggesting that she was hidden on board til the ship docked in Puerto Rico?

 

[Dushi]

I understand that Findamy said the cab driver witness account was thought to be false because of no shoes/barefeet not being noticed

What about the lawsuit?

 

[Saracen]

Is this suggesting that she was hidden on board til the ship docked in Puerto Rico?

And the captain had said the they had searched the ship at Curacuo when they had not?

 

[dotr]

Always forgetting about timeline- great pics. and info. Wondering if that photo of Amy with "Santa" is showing her black onx ring on left hand Post 33.. Also a reminder of some of the staff A had become friendly with on cruise.post 34
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183570&page=2
"It is known that the last person seen with Amy in the early hours of the morning was a cruise ship band member of a group known as 'Blue Orchid' by the name of 'Yellow'...and, there were other crew members who spent time with Amy, as well...Katalin (from Hungary); Eduardo Cabrito (a waiter); David Cato (a waiter); and, Patrick (a waiter)."

 

[neesaki]

Is this suggesting that she was hidden on board til the ship docked in Puerto Rico?

According to the lawsuit, and the information from the article, I guess so.
The thing is, Amy was discovered missing right before docking in Curacao. The kidnappers knew the family would be looking for her, so they had to have a very secret place to put her. Could this be why the ship wasn't searched completely as the crew ship staff claimed it was?

I guess it could make sense that they wouldn't have taken her off the ship in Curacao, as everyone would have been watching for Amy there. So, they waited? And just had to keep her out of sight, and keep the ship from being thoroughly searched. All this really blows my mind, that all the time she could have been right there on the ship. :shakehead: But the Bradley's left the ship to search in Curacao, did someone on the ship encourage them to stay in Curacao and search, did they want them off the ship ? I dont' remember, darn it.

So if this is the case, that would mean that Amy would have been on the boat the whole time being held in one of those "hidey holes" or someplace like that that no one knows about, except for the ship's crew and I guess criminals who make it their business to know these things. In this case, seems like maybe the crew and the criminals may well be one and the same. :tsktsk:

The FBI did conduct a complete search later IIRC, don't remember how much later or where it was. Was it after Puerto Rico? Sorry if it seems I'm talking in circles, I think I'm going through a melt down, lol. And TIA to anyone who can answer this.

 

[Saracen]

According to the lawsuit, and the information from the article, I guess so.
The thing is, Amy was discovered missing right before docking in Curacao. The kidnappers knew the family would be looking for her, so they had to have a very secret place to put her. Could this be why the ship wasn't searched completely as the crew ship staff claimed it was?

I guess it could make sense that they wouldn't have taken her off the ship in Curacao, as everyone would have been watching for Amy there. So, they waited? And just had to keep her out of sight, and keep the ship from being thoroughly searched. All this really blows my mind, that all the time she could have been right there on the ship. :shakehead: But the Bradley's left the ship to search in Curacao, did someone on the ship encourage them to stay in Curacao and search, did they want them off the ship ? I dont' remember, darn it.

So if this is the case, that would mean that Amy would have been on the boat the whole time being held in one of those "hidey holes" or someplace like that that no one knows about, except for the ship's crew and I guess criminals who make it their business to know these things. In this case, seems like maybe the crew and the criminals may well be one and the same. :tsktsk:

The FBI did conduct a complete search later IIRC, don't remember how much later or where it was. Was it after Puerto Rico? Sorry if it seems I'm talking in circles, I think I'm going through a melt down, lol. And TIA to anyone who can answer this.

My thoughts exactly..

 

[neesaki]

I understand that Findamy said the cab driver witness account was thought to be false because of no shoes/barefeet not being noticed

What about the lawsuit?

That is confusing as well. There was the report that Amy was seen running up to a taxi asking for a telephone. I thought that's the one that she supposedly had on no shoes, but also the one that was unverified.

The other one sounds completely different to me, where she was pushed into the waiting taxi in Puerto Rico. This is the one referenced in the law suit.

That's really all I know. Talk about feeling :crazy: by now. I think I'm gonna have to go do something else for a while...

 

[Dushi]

According to the lawsuit, and the information from the article, I guess so.
The thing is, Amy was discovered missing right before docking in Curacao. The kidnappers knew the family would be looking for her, so they had to have a very secret place to put her. Could this be why the ship wasn't searched completely as the crew ship staff claimed it was?

I guess it could make sense that they wouldn't have taken her off the ship in Curacao, as everyone would have been watching for Amy there. So, they waited? And just had to keep her out of sight, and keep the ship from being thoroughly searched. All this really blows my mind, that all the time she could have been right there on the ship. :shakehead: But the Bradley's left the ship to search in Curacao, did someone on the ship encourage them to stay in Curacao and search, did they want them off the ship ? I dont' remember, darn it.

So if this is the case, that would mean that Amy would have been on the boat the whole time being held in one of those "hidey holes" or someplace like that that no one knows about, except for the ship's crew and I guess criminals who make it their business to know these things. In this case, seems like maybe the crew and the criminals may well be one and the same. :tsktsk:

The FBI did conduct a complete search later IIRC, don't remember how much later or where it was. Was it after Puerto Rico? Sorry if it seems I'm talking in circles, I think I'm going through a melt down, lol. And TIA to anyone who can answer this.

Four days later??
OMG, I hope that is not the case