VA - Amy Bradley - missing from cruise ship, Curacao - 1998 #3

[RandyMcDonald]

I disagree with your post. Human trafficking can happen anywhere, at any time, and to anybody. Make no mistake about it. It also happenst to men and children and not just women. Travelers need to always stay on high alert and be educated about such occurences. The FBI would have never investigated this case if they didn't suspect human trafficking or murder could have happened in this case. Anyone can be drugged and then be kept addicted to drugs for others to capitalize on them. Read the following FAQS to become better educated about the topic. Anyone can become prey and that includes AMY. Human Trafficking FAQs

The FBI is investigating because it does not know what happened. Maybe there was a crime, maybe not. How can it tell unless it investigates?

Beyond that, while it is true that anyone can be trafficked, it is just not true to say that everyone is at equal risk. Women are at much greater risk than men, for instance, while people coming from relatively poor countries and communities are at much greater risk than people from rich countries and communities, people belonging to historically discriminated-against groups are at much higher risk than others, people with weak social connections more than people with strong social connections, and so on.

Amy Bradley does not tick many boxes. She was not isolated, travelling with her family; she was not poor or materially challenged, having a career and home set up; she did not belong to a member of a group that faced discrimination. She was a woman, yes, but she was in a pretty good position.

There are circumstances where Amy Bradley could have been at higher risk. If she had not disappeared from her family's stateroom on board the cruise ship before she visited one of the safest islands of the Caribbean, but had instead disappeared into Curaçao after landing and meeting someone, that would indeed put her at higher risk. If she had not been on a cruise ship with her family but had been travelling by herself, that would put her at higher risk.

But she was doing none of these things.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Yes, vulnerable people get sex trafficked. Teenagers on poor terms with their families, runaways, migrants looking for options, desperate people.

Amy was none of that.

ANYONE CAN BE SEX TRAFFICKED!!! LETS BE CLEAR!

 

[GXP Sleuther]

Amy Bradley was not sex trafficked.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

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Did you see where I encouraged readers to click through to the sources?

Beyond that, consider. What, exactly, would be the point in my lying about demographic statistics that are public domain and could be easily checked?

Go to the CIA World Factbook and see if the figures I offer differ.

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They do not for Cuba. Venezuela's entry does not list race, but there are other sources that do. Again, the existence of historically substantial immigration from Europe to Venezuela in the mid-20th century, and earlier waves going back to the 16th century, is historically verified.

 

[maamager]

I apologize if this has been mentioned in this quick-evolving thread.

I recently saw the other NSFW pictures of the woman they theorize is AB, and those additional pictures (I haven't seen anywhere else and certainly not in the Netflix doc) def do not bear a ton of likeness to AB, imo. Especially because the photos with her back shoulder don't have the Tasmanian devil tattoo.

I obviously cannot post the link to those photos here, but I'm happy to share the thread in which they're talked about.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

And a middle-class girl from suburbia could find herself in trouble even easier still. And quite often does.

Which could make sense and could be relevant, talking about sex trafficking, if she had actually gotten lost in Curaçao instead of disappearing from her family stateroom. Curaçao is not Port-au-Prince.

ANYONE CAN BE SEX TRAFFICKED!!! LETS BE CLEAR!

Maybe, but some people are at much less risk than others. Amy Bradley belonged to that low-risk group.

Moreover, it also seems clear that the whole fuss of Amy as an obvious target for sex trafficking abduction came about as a consequence of her family not handling her coming out as lesbian very well, not at the time and definitely not now.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Even if the woman was desperate, she was attractive to pimps. We have both agreed Amy could have quickly become desperate.

In what context?

 

[otto]

ANYONE CAN BE SEX TRAFFICKED!!! LETS BE CLEAR!

Should we give Amy a little credit?

Was she so addicted to drugs that she would enter a foreign country for the purpose of obtaining illegal drugs and transporting them onto a cruise ship? Did she use drugs?

While in desperate search for drugs, would she trust a complete stranger to secretly introduce her to drug dealers in a foreign country?

After meeting the illegal drug dealers, who told her she would spend the remainder of her life as a prostitute, did she not mention that her brother knew exactly who she was with and where she was going?

All of this requires that Amy is a drug addict who cannot survive a week without drugs, and that she was so desperate for drugs that she was reckless with her life.

Is that Amy according to her friends? I doubt it. Her letter in a bottle does not sound like it was written by a desperate, reckless drug addict.

 

[TizerisT]

She was not isolated

Clearly at some point she was isolated. Whether on the boat or on the island. If she wasn't she'd probably still be with us.

she did not belong to a member of a group that faced discrimination

Thats completely ludicrous if you think that makes her odds any better in the eyes of a trafficker / pimp. Thats simply not how this world works.

 

[lohrtabitha]

The FBI is investigating because it does not know what happened. Maybe there was a crime, maybe not. How can it tell unless it investigates?

Beyond that, while it is true that anyone can be trafficked, it is just not true to say that everyone is at equal risk. Women are at much greater risk than men, for instance, while people coming from relatively poor countries and communities are at much greater risk than people from rich countries and communities, people belonging to historically discriminated-against groups are at much higher risk than others, people with weak social connections more than people with strong social connections, and so on.

Amy Bradley does not tick many boxes. She was not isolated, travelling with her family; she was not poor or materially challenged, having a career and home set up; she did not belong to a member of a group that faced discrimination. She was a woman, yes, but she was in a pretty good position.

There are circumstances where Amy Bradley could have been at higher risk. If she had not disappeared from her family's stateroom on board the cruise ship before she visited one of the safest islands of the Caribbean, but had instead disappeared into Curaçao after landing and meeting someone, that would indeed put her at higher risk. If she had not been on a cruise ship with her family but had been travelling by herself, that would put her at higher risk.

But she was doing none of these things.

Can you please provide your credentials as an expert in sex trafficking and human trafficking. Websleuths can verify them

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Should we give Amy a little credit?

Was she so addicted to drugs that she would enter a foreign country for the purpose of obtaining illegal drugs and transporting them onto a cruise ship? Did she use drugs?

While in desperate search for drugs, would she trust a complete stranger to secretly introduce her to drug dealers in a foreign country?

After meeting the illegal drug dealers, who told her she would spend the remainder of her life as a prostitute, did she not mention that her brother knew exactly who she was with and where she was going?

All of this requires that Amy is a drug addict who cannot survive a week without drugs, and that she was so desperate for drugs that she was reckless with her life.

Is that Amy according to her friends? I doubt it. Her letter in a bottle does not sound like it was written by a desperate, reckless drug addict.

We should also keep in mind that it would not be in the interest of the drug dealers to abduct an American tourist and make her a sex slave. Why would they want to risk calling attention to their activities in such a way? How would it even make sense for them to turn a potential customer into a sex slave, even if things somehow went badly?

It would be possible, mind, for some much more random crime to have happened, for a drug dealer to have attacked and murdered her. This is not a scenario that the Bradleys have spent much time considering because this is a scenario where she would not be alive now.

All of this is moot if there is no evidence of Amy actually getting to Curaçao.

 

[otto]

Clearly at some point she was isolated. Whether on the boat or on the island. If she wasn't she'd probably still be with us.

Thats completely ludicrous if you think that makes her odds any better in the eyes of a trafficker / pimp. Thats simply not how this world works.

There's absolutely nothing to support the claim that Amy was "isolated". She was on her balcony and then she was gone. The table was pushed against the railing, her shoes neatly placed next to the table.

At the moment she vanished, her father heard a sound and looked at the balcony - seeing that she was gone.

Everything beyond that is finger-pointing and unfounded speculation.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Should we give Amy a little credit?

Was she so addicted to drugs that she would enter a foreign country for the purpose of obtaining illegal drugs and transporting them onto a cruise ship? Did she use drugs?

While in desperate search for drugs, would she trust a complete stranger to secretly introduce her to drug dealers in a foreign country?

After meeting the illegal drug dealers, who told her she would spend the remainder of her life as a prostitute, did she not mention that her brother knew exactly who she was with and where she was going?

All of this requires that Amy is a drug addict who cannot survive a week without drugs, and that she was so desperate for drugs that she was reckless with her life.

Is that Amy according to her friends? I doubt it. Her letter in a bottle does not sound like it was written by a desperate, reckless drug addict.

Anyone can hold you down and shoot drugs into your veins and especially if you are inoxicated. She was 5ft 6 and only weighed under 130 pounds . Amy had 7 beers that night according to the Netflix documentary. Then they keep you druggged.

 

[TizerisT]

How would it even make sense for them to turn a potential customer into a sex slave, even if things somehow went badly?

It makes a lot of sense if you can get years and years of profit by making someone work in the sex industry. You may never have to work again.

 

[otto]

We should also keep in mind that it would not be in the interest of the drug dealers to abduct an American tourist and make her a sex slave. Why would they want to risk calling attention to their activities in such a way? How would it even make sense for them to turn a potential customer into a sex slave, even if things somehow went badly?

It would be possible, mind, for some much more random crime to have happened, for a drug dealer to have attacked and murdered her. This is not a scenario that the Bradleys have spent much time considering because this is a scenario where she would not be alive now.

All of this is moot if there is no evidence of Amy actually getting to Curaçao.

When Natalee Holloway disappeared from an Aruban beach, there were years of imaginary scenarios. The most popular was that she was forced into a life of prostitution on nearby Islands.

That scenario has one big problem in common with Amy: reward money. All it takes is one customer, and only one, and the prostitution business is exposed while the customer collects the reward.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Thats completely ludicrous if you think that makes her odds any better in the eyes of a trafficker / pimp. Thats simply not how this world works.

No, it obviously does work that way. Here in Canada, for instance, indigenous people are at considerably greater risk of facing human trafficking, including sexual trafficking, than non-indigenous one, CBC suggesting half of trafficked women are indigenous.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/human-trafficking-ontario-indigenous-akwesasne-survivor-2023-1.6760973

Human Trafficking | ONWA

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Human Trafficking Needs to be Addressed through a Decolonial Lens - The Canadian Centre To End Human Trafficking

Written by Dr. Shelagh Roxburgh and Dr. Candice Shaw The story of trafficking in Indigenous peoples is long and complex. It is also well hidden in Canada, where the reality ...

www.canadiancentretoendhumantrafficking.ca

This vulnerability is partly a consequence of past discrimination against indigenous people, and partly a consequence of the current marginalization and desperation of so many indigenous people. Indigenous people in Canada are poorer than the Canadian average, often live in more isolated communities, and are more desperate.

That does not mean that white people are not vulnerable, of course. It does mean that white people share fewer of the factors and have lower risks. Drilling into the data, meanwhile, it is worth noting that many of the source regions are poorer than the destination regions--many of the women and girls who leave Atlantic Canada on the corridors, for instance, come from the poorer small towns of a region that is the poorest of the country.

https://www.canadiancentretoendhumantrafficking.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Human-Trafficking-Corridors-in-Canada-Report.pdf

 

[Chypre]

In what context?

Please keep up with your own statements.

 

[otto]

Anyone can hold you down and shoot drugs into your veins and especially if you are inoxicated. She was 5ft 6 and only weighed under 130 pounds . Amy had 7 beers that night according to the Netflix documentary. Then they keep you druggged.

According to her brother, she had 6 lite beer over 12 hours. She wasn't feeling well at 4 AM, so she didn't go to bed.

Were there illegal drugs on the cruise ship that staff used to inject passengers before sneaking them off the ship into the waiting arms of prostitution gangs? There's no evidence of that whatsoever.

There are so many "what if" possibilities, but very little reason to lean into them.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Can you please provide your credentials as an expert in sex trafficking and human trafficking. Websleuths can verify them

For starters, I am the person who has been consistently providing links.

Elsewhere in this discussion, I have provided links to US State Department reports on human trafficking in Curaçao, and to the details of emigration from Venezuela to Curaçao and to Spain. I have also provided links on patterns of human trafficking in Canada, including corridors of trafficking and a profile of the vulnerability of indigenous people. I have also been providing accurate demographic statistics on the Caribbean, pointing out that white people are not nearly as uncommon in the area as proponents of the sex trafficking suggestion say. I have provided links to profiles of what human traffickers look for. And so on.

I have been providing actual information, from sources that are not my own. If you want to take issue with my sources, please, provide other ones. I look forward to learning.

 

[lohrtabitha]

We should also keep in mind that it would not be in the interest of the drug dealers to abduct an American tourist and make her a sex slave. Why would they want to risk calling attention to their activities in such a way? How would it even make sense for them to turn a potential customer into a sex slave, even if things somehow went badly?

It would be possible, mind, for some much more random crime to have happened, for a drug dealer to have attacked and murdered her. This is not a scenario that the Bradleys have spent much time considering because this is a scenario where she would not be alive now.

All of this is moot if there is no evidence of Amy actually getting to Curaçao.

Drugs and sex trade runs hand in hand. Many American tourists are abducted and trafficked throughout the world. Read the report. chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://polarisproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/us-citizen-sex-trafficking.pdf