VA - Couple & two teens found murdered, Farmville, 15 Sept 2009 #2

[Nikolai]

A third party could have committed the crime, someone not associated with SKR possibly.

Of course, and after McCroskey is convicted of all 4 murders and LE has told you a million times nobody else was involved in the crime you will still say the same thing, so theres no point in debating anything.

 

[dangrsmind]

Of course, and after McCroskey is convicted of all 4 murders and LE has told you a million times nobody else was involved in the crime you will still say the same thing, so theres no point in debating anything.

You assume a lot here.

There has been no statement of this sort at all from law enforcement in this case.

If and when there is such a statement from the authorities I will in all probability accept it.

Edited to add: I'm going to ignore your repeated personal attacks.

Just a reminder that in America you are innocent until proven guilty. This applies to Sam McCroskey too.

 

[tapu]

I was thinking about Sam, and the smell, and how he was there for days after the first murders, and how he didn't appear to have blood all over him when he was arrested.

Remember his sister saying that he went days and days with no shower? We noticed that his clothes never seemed to change from the SFTW through the jail walk with chains on.

I think his clothes probably were covered with blood, and that it didn't show on the dark coloring and after so much time. In the intervening days, he washed his face and hands off, and maybe stuff sort of wore off, and wore into the clothes, but he was wearing the clothes he killed them in and that's why the smell was so strong.

 

[dangrsmind]

I was thinking about Sam, and the smell, and how he was there for days after the first murders, and how he didn't appear to have blood all over him when he was arrested.

Remember his sister saying that he went days and days with no shower? We noticed that his clothes never seemed to change from the SFTW through the jail walk with chains on.

I think his clothes probably were covered with blood, and that it didn't show on the dark coloring and after so much time. In the intervening days, he washed his face and hands off, and maybe stuff sort of wore off, and wore into the clothes, but he was wearing the clothes he killed them in and that's why the smell was so strong.

Well there was one high resolution screen shot I examined from the walk into the building. I didn't see anything that was obviously blood although there is some fake blood like printing on his clothing.

Inconclusive IMO. However I think the people he interacted with including the police would have noticed the blood on him if it was there.

Possible the odor was related to not showering, but I think some of the people that met the guy before the event would have said something about this. My recollection is that he is only reported as smelling badly after the murders. Will have to confirm that...

And since you mention the odor, I just have to offer this link to a book that describes the odors associated with demonic possession.

You knew I would.

 

[tapu]

Ye-es... I am seriously considering the case for demonic possession over his just being a "crazy deranged psychopath," cause unspecified.


About the clothes and the blood and the smell: I stick with my theory. He's clearly in the same clothes, and people made the smell out to be more than body odor. I think that you may not necessarily be able to tell if blood is worn into those off-color black clothes, from a photo, even at high res. It may not be all that much blood, but enough to smell. If he had a long-handled instrument, blood could have sprayed elsewhere more than right back at him.

Also: how do you know the police didn't notice blood and just haven't said so??

 

[Nikolai]

Just a reminder that in America you are innocent until proven guilty. This applies to Sam McCroskey too.

I understand you care about McCroskey's possible innocence,

But just a reminder that this also applies to people who havent been charged in the case, not ever called suspects, and not even named as persons of interest in case that matters to you.

 

[Nikolai]

Well there was one high resolution screen shot I examined from the walk into the building. I didn't see anything that was obviously blood although there is some fake blood like printing on his clothing.

Inconclusive IMO. However I think the people he interacted with including the police would have noticed the blood on him if it was there.

Cmon. "high resolution" screenshot examination? Thats enough for police, if you let them know it may save them time getting the lab to exam them. He couldnt have possibly wiped any noticeable blood off of himself and there couldnt possibly be any almost microscopic blood amounts found on his clothing, jewelry, or shoes, because that never happens. Cmon man, are you serious? No need for using any luminol.

And since you mention the odor, I just have to offer this link to a book that describes the odors associated with demonic possession.

 

[tapu]

Another thought: I doubt that Sam would smell as awful as people have described just by being around the bodies in his clean clothes (even if he'd worn those clean clothes for days after the murders). He's had something on him. That's what's going down. Sure, maybe he got a lot on him afterwards during whatever he did, but those clothes he was wearing when they picked him up is where the foul odor people couldn't believe was emanating from, and that foul odor was not just from the "air" in the house. He's had blood and tissue on him.

Again, barring odors caused directly by demonic possession.

 

[Heroine]

Another thought: I doubt that Sam would smell as awful as people have described just by being around the bodies in his clean clothes (even if he'd worn those clean clothes for days after the murders). He's had something on him. That's what's going down. Sure, maybe he got a lot on him afterwards during whatever he did, but those clothes he was wearing when they picked him up is where the foul odor people couldn't believe was emanating from and that foul odor was not just from the "air" he was around in the house. He's had blood and tissue on him.

Again, barring odors caused directly by demonic possession.

You will probably laugh when I say this, even I lol at the thought, but maybe he didn't have any clothes on. haha!

 

[tapu]

You will probably laugh when I say this, even I lol at the thought, but maybe he didn't have any clothes on. haha!

For the 3-4 days? Well, I guess nothing is ruled out.... Whatever.

 

[dangrsmind]

Cmon. "high resolution" screenshot examination? Thats enough for police, if you let them know it may save them time getting the lab to exam them. He couldnt have possibly wiped any noticeable blood off of himself and there couldnt possibly be any almost microscopic blood amounts found on his clothing, jewelry, or shoes, because that never happens. Cmon man, are you serious? No need for using any luminol.

I assume if he committed the murders there *IS* blood on whatever clothes (if any) that he wore during the murder.

What I meant specifically is that there is no visible large stain anywhere I could find. What looks like blood in the image is text made to look like fake blood printed on the clothing. Obviously microscopic blood splatter can not be detected this way nor could blood that was washed out. I never said otherwise.

You are misrepresenting what I am saying.

 

[dangrsmind]

You will probably laugh when I say this, even I lol at the thought, but maybe he didn't have any clothes on. haha!

I'm not laughing. Remember Leilah Wendell...

 

[dangrsmind]

I understand you care about McCroskey's possible innocence,

But just a reminder that this also applies to people who havent been charged in the case, not ever called suspects, and not even named as persons of interest in case that matters to you.

Did I accuse someone else of committing the murder? I am sorry if I gave you the impression that I was promoting an alternative suspect. I am not.

I reposted what McCroskey's sister wrote about there being more to the story, that he was innocent, and that he was set up. Her words.

I never said whether I believed that story or not. I did point out he has only been charged with one crime so far. Since I also don't believe I have accused anyone else of being involved in the murder. So I'm not sure what you are talking about.

 

[tapu]

I assume if he committed the murders there *IS* blood on whatever clothes (if any) that he wore during the murder.

What I meant specifically is that there is no visible large stain anywhere I could find. What looks like blood in the image is text made to look like fake blood printed on the clothing. Obviously microscopic blood splatter can not be detected this way nor could blood that was washed out. I never said otherwise.

You are misrepresenting what I am saying.

Hm. Well, no offense intended but I read it the same way Nikolai did--that you were saying there was probably no blood on the clothes because you didn't detect it on the high-res. I see now what you're saying but it sounded the other way.


"I do not think that that word means what you think it means." Hope you've seen that movie....

 

[tapu]

oh christ. now i have to go look up Leilah Wendell...

 

[colette]

Since the 3 women were murdered in their sleep, the killer could have been naked, dresssed, or even in costume.... the victims had no warning. He was most likely dressed for the father's murder, but still used some sort of a "sneak" attack. As a lover of blood and gore, it seems like he would enjoy wearing clothes with blood on them from his victims ( especially since he wasn't a clean person to begin with).

 

[Nikolai]

I reposted what McCroskey's sister wrote about there being more to the story, that he was innocent, and that he was set up. Her words.
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Why is it surprising his sister would claim her brother is innocent? That carries weight with you? The set-up of Sam McCroskey makes the set-up of OJ Simpson sound legit and realistic.

 

[Heroine]

For the 3-4 days? Well, I guess nothing is ruled out.... Whatever.

No I mean he was naked when he murdered them. not for 3 to 4 days! ha!

 

[dangrsmind]

Hm. Well, no offense intended but I read it the same way Nikolai did--that you were saying there was probably no blood on the clothes because you didn't detect it on the high-res. I see now what you're saying but it sounded the other way.


"I do not think that that word means what you think it means." Hope you've seen that movie....

Sorry my bad I guess.

 

[Heroine]

I'm not laughing. Remember Leilah Wendell...

Yeah I thought maybe there was a reason behind being naked, or he just liked those clothes and didn't want to get them dirty. I didn't think it was too funny either I just kinda thought everyone would disagree with me.