Found Deceased VA - Noah Tomlin, 2, Hampton, 24 June 2019 *ARREST*

[MsFacetious]

One thing I’ve learned following these cases is that it’s never the case that the child ingested the parents’ drugs. Or at least I’m not aware of any cases where that has actually occurred.

The reason for this, sadly, is that the addict will put in effort to protect their precious drugs. They just can’t put the same amount of effort into protecting their precious children.

Though I have been surprised to see there have been a few where the kids did die of overdoses. Generally when given the drugs intentionally by their parent, often in their bottle or sippy cup.

 

[FrostOwl]

This tragedy has inspired a woman to create change. J.B. is petitioning the White House with new protections for kids. Its called NOAH: No Other Angels Hurt

Stop placing children back in homes with abusive, neglectful, drug addict parents

It calls on Congress to create stricter guidelines and criteria for parents to meet before they can get a child back in their custody

A first step could be to get the U.S. to ratificate the United Nation's Convention on the Rights of the Child, as the U.S. is the only country in the world that hasn't done that. U.S. ratification of the Convention on the Rights of the Child - Wikipedia
It may not change much in reality, but it's 30 years ago this year the convention was written, so it's high time to "walk the walk".

 

[BlueBerry101]

One thing I’ve learned following these cases is that it’s never the case that the child ingested the parents’ drugs. Or at least I’m not aware of any cases where that has actually occurred.

The reason for this, sadly, is that the addict will put in effort to protect their precious drugs. They just can’t put the same amount of effort into protecting their precious children.

I suppose that's true... Sad but true... I was just trying to come up with what if's and it just popped into my head. But honestly, now that you mention it that does make sense in a sad twisted way. Not that you're sad and twisted, lol.. I just meant the order of importance to a drug addict.

 

[girlhasnoname]

And just how did she know about a visit? No freakin' wonder that she got to keep those babies/children. Even a slob can clean up reasonably well if she knows "they" are coming in two days, or two weeks or whatever -- especially with help -- which we've said we don't understand. If knowing in advance that AFDC, CPS, or whatever is coming, no wonder some children are allowed to stay, or come back, to the hell that is home. SMH.

CPS will actually set up a time to come and inspect the home. Yes, the parents (or whomever) know in advance, which seems to me about the most unrealistic view of an everyday, normal routine.

I unfortunately had a personal experience with a young woman who was a terrible drug addict. Her CPS folder was inches thick. She would always have her mother or other family member come over to help her clean up the disgusting pig pen and have them buy groceries etc. She often laughed about how stupid CPS was as soon as they walked out the door.

The 2 1/2 year old would be trying to give the infant sibling a bottle because the parents would be passed out cold for hours/days at a time. The little boy was terrified to get into any car because they ran out of gas daily and would have to walk or beg for money on the side of the road. His very FIRST question would always be "Do you have gas?" as soon as he got in any car.

The children of drug addicts suffer much more than we can imagine.

 

[helpfulcharlie]

CPS will actually set up a time to come and inspect the home. Yes, the parents (or whomever) know in advance, which seems to me about the most unrealistic view of an everyday, normal routine.

I unfortunately had a personal experience with a young woman who was a terrible drug addict. Her CPS folder was inches thick. She would always have her mother or other family member come over to help her clean up the disgusting pig pen and have them buy groceries etc. She often laughed about how stupid CPS was as soon as they walked out the door.

The 2 1/2 year old would be trying to give the infant sibling a bottle because the parents would be passed out cold for hours/days at a time. The little boy was terrified to get into any car because they ran out of gas daily and would have to walk or beg for money on the side of the road. His very FIRST question would always be "Do you have gas?" as soon as he got in any car.

The children of drug addicts suffer much more than we can imagine.

Add to that the shady characters that become part of their lives, and so often become immortalized on the pages of WS...

 

[LeslieKnope12]

This tragedy has inspired a woman to create change. J.B. is petitioning the White House with new protections for kids. Its called NOAH: No Other Angels Hurt

Stop placing children back in homes with abusive, neglectful, drug addict parents

It calls on Congress to create stricter guidelines and criteria for parents to meet before they can get a child back in their custody

Julia Tomlin appears in court; Noah still missing

I think it’s great that someone wants to make congress take action but I think it’s no use - these people will always meet the requirements temporarily to get their kids (and precious welfare) back, but will never actually change, and then we will have the same circus act.

 

[borndem]

One thing I’ve learned following these cases is that it’s never the case that the child ingested the parents’ drugs. Or at least I’m not aware of any cases where that has actually occurred.

The reason for this, sadly, is that the addict will put in effort to protect their precious drugs. They just can’t put the same amount of effort into protecting their precious children.

I tend to agree, TristanP -- I'm not so sure he came into contact with drugs. I think he came into contact with those who were on drugs.
IMO, something bad happened when she was under the influence and did not know or care that he was hurt/not breathing/fell into a filled bathtub/fell and hit his head/another child hurt him, etc., etc. She could have gone outside, he followed her and fell off the porch -- I think it was neglect of a high order - she was not there when something bad happened, or she or "daddy" got very angry and hurt him such that he could not recover. JMO.

 

[BlueBerry101]

I may have missed it, but does anyone have a source for all the addiction and drug allegations being made about JT and Noah's father, or is this simply very logical speculation and deduction based on what we know of their life, neglect of children, conditions of home etc?

I agree that drug abuse is far more likely than not with this woman, and may well be a direct cause of Noah's fate, but I would like to see it documented before making it the centerpiece of any theory. I've also seen the applicable Facebook comments, but don't have any idea whether those are from ex-friends, acquaintances, or total strangers.

Other things I'm not sure are verified: JT's claims that Noah could be autistic, and that he has trouble walking/is barely mobile. Has there been any followup with his pediatrician about this? Because I would demand outside corroboration if this woman told me water is wet.

JMO...

I have read several articles from news sources quoting a person who knows this couple personally stating that because of their history of drug abuse that it is worrying to them. That isn't the quote exactly, but I guess that is where this theory came from. I'm not meaning to make allegations at all... Just simple what if's. I personally don't know these ppl but Noah is on my mind constantly these days and if I can give someone an idea of what could possibly have happened to the poor baby, and it ultimately leads to the recovery of him I don't think it's a bad thing... I have also mentioned him being taken or traded or the possibility of someone rescuing him.

 

[borndem]

I suppose that's true... Sad but true... I was just trying to come up with what if's and it just popped into my head. But honestly, now that you mention it that does make sense in a sad twisted way. Not that you're sad and twisted, lol.. I just meant the order of importance to a drug addict.

Things could have happened just as you proposed, BB. Maybe "mom" thought a dose might put him to sleep or make him stop crying -- who knoze?
And the sad part is -- we may never know -- no body for an autopsy so far, and she is not talking. This case may be one of "those" cases that takes years -- or never -- to be resolved.
At least little Noah is no longer hurting.

 

[helpfulcharlie]

Things could have happened just as you proposed, BB. Maybe "mom" thought a dose might put him to sleep or make him stop crying -- who knoze?
And the sad part is -- we may never know -- no body for an autopsy so far, and she is not talking. This case may be one of "those" cases that takes years -- or never -- to be resolved.
At least little Noah is no longer hurting.

If they have enough to assume, and enough to charge, it will be resolved. Virginia is very good about no-body homicides these days.

 

[Simply Southern]

If they have enough to assume, and enough to charge, it will be resolved. Virginia is very good about no-body homicides these days.

Respectfully, not sure VA has had a no body case or I just couldn't find.

EDITED..... Thanks to @helpfulcharlie .... Alex Murphy and Claudine Gifford were both no body murders and convictions for murder.

I did find a couple of good links

List of murder convictions without a body - Wikipedia


Getting away with murder: Of 43 killings last year in Newport News and Hampton, 28 remain unsolved

Victims died in domestic arguments, robberies, retaliations, drug deals gone bad, and all manner of random arguments between strangers, acquaintances and friends. They were shot in their homes or on the street from passing vehicles. They were killed in child abuse and in murder-suicides.

Five of the 50 people killed in the Peninsula area were under 18 — 2-month-old and 1-year-old boys killed in what police say were child abuse, a 12-year-old boy killed by his mother in a murder-suicide, and two 17-year-olds shot outside.

 

[helpfulcharlie]

Respectfully, not sure VA has had a no body case or I just couldn't find.

I did find a couple of good links

List of murder convictions without a body - Wikipedia


Getting away with murder: Of 43 killings last year in Newport News and Hampton, 28 remain unsolved

Victims died in domestic arguments, robberies, retaliations, drug deals gone bad, and all manner of random arguments between strangers, acquaintances and friends. They were shot in their homes or on the street from passing vehicles. They were killed in child abuse and in murder-suicides.

Five of the 50 people killed in the Peninsula area were under 18 — 2-month-old and 1-year-old boys killed in what police say were child abuse, a 12-year-old boy killed by his mother in a murder-suicide, and two 17-year-olds shot outside.

Look for Claudine Gifford in Kilmarnock/White Stone.

 

[helpfulcharlie]

Oh and Randy Taylor. They never found a body in his case, either, IIRC.

 

[Simply Southern]

Oh and Randy Taylor. They never found a body in his case, either, IIRC.

Yeap, you are so right !!!! And Alexis Murphy was in the news alot in my area.

Thanks I edited my original post.

 

[MsGazette]

This tragedy has inspired a woman to create change. J.B. is petitioning the White House with new protections for kids. Its called NOAH: No Other Angels Hurt

Stop placing children back in homes with abusive, neglectful, drug addict parents

It calls on Congress to create stricter guidelines and criteria for parents to meet before they can get a child back in their custody

Julia Tomlin appears in court; Noah still missing

That was exactly my point with my reference about adopting an animal. It seems to be more difficult to do that than for a child to return to custody. I 100% agree with this.

...create stricter guidelines and criteria for parents to meet before they can get a child back in their custody... BBM

 

[borndem]

If they have enough to assume, and enough to charge, it will be resolved. Virginia is very good about no-body homicides these days.

That's great to hear! We know that LE, Prosecutors, and juries do not have to have a body to find someone guilty of murder. Apparently, the People of the State of Virginia don't mess around. Let's hope JT finds that out soon.

 

[TristanP]

I tend to agree, TristanP -- I'm not so sure he came into contact with drugs. I think he came into contact with those who were on drugs.
IMO, something bad happened when she was under the influence and did not know or care that he was hurt/not breathing/fell into a filled bathtub/fell and hit his head/another child hurt him, etc., etc. She could have gone outside, he followed her and fell off the porch -- I think it was neglect of a high order - she was not there when something bad happened, or she or "daddy" got very angry and hurt him such that he could not recover. JMO.

Based on the FB clues that indicate her drug of choice was heroin, if she was high, I think it was neglect. Opiates usually mellow people out and even make them sleep a lot. Meth is more of the rage drug where you see kids getting abused and killed because the person was out of control.

But, she may have just been an abuser in general and knocked him in the head hard enough to kill him.

 

[TristanP]

I suppose that's true... Sad but true... I was just trying to come up with what if's and it just popped into my head. But honestly, now that you mention it that does make sense in a sad twisted way. Not that you're sad and twisted, lol.. I just meant the order of importance to a drug addict.

It’s ok...I am sad and twisted lol. Why else would I be so obsessed with true crime?!

 

[Stunned]

It’s ok...I am sad and twisted lol. Why else would I be so obsessed with true crime?!

Why would any of us be? We care!

 

[TristanP]

Though I have been surprised to see there have been a few where the kids did die of overdoses. Generally when given the drugs intentionally by their parent, often in their bottle or sippy cup.

Good point...I do recall seeing several of those cases. Seriously disturbing that people would give drugs to a child!