VERDICT WATCH - Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Retrial Day 43, Part 2

[RadarLuv]

quite a bit of good info on http://www.spreecast.com/events/the-gold-patrol-jodiarias-final-curtain

He has other guests in there, so if you don't care for him Cathy is also on and I really enjoy her tweets

 

[Ransom]

Good point that we really don't know how much they really knew about this case before this phase started.

I flip-flopped a few times during the 1st phase but as I have witnessed her and her defense continue with the child porn lies, it has come to the point that she is practically begging for the DP herself IMO. If the 27 stab wounds wasn't enough for me during the 1st phase, her constant trashing of Travis about the child porn and unrelated porn viewing sure has done it for me. And the no remorse aspect.

Had she gone with a "normal" defense of just saying she was sorry and that she was just mad at him because he dumped her, I may be thinking differently right now.
Her whole defense and how they approached it swayed me into thinking she really deserves the DP.

But its the jury decision and I would respect it IF they would just come up with one. LOL
I have a hard time respecting a hung jury again. But one of our posters did educate me that getting a hung jury IS kind of the process we have. So I suppose I need to try not to get too upset if they hang.

But darn it is upsetting. LOL

This jury DID know she was convicted of premeditated murder of Travis Alexander. Out of twelve jurors, five jurors found her guilty of first-degree premeditated murder, and seven jurors found her guilty of both first-degree premeditated murder and felony murder.

The presumption of innocence is OVER.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have no problems with the death penalty but it does not mean that I would absolutely vote for a death sentence for a murderer. I do not think JA is the worst of the worst, not by a long shot. And when people say that if she was in Texas we would surely give her the DP and execute her, I would say Texas has had a lot of problems with putting people on death row, only to exonerate them later.

I don't think anyone that believes in the death penalty will vote every time for death. But this is not about death penalty cases in general but JAs just punishment instead.

There is no way in hell that the foolish mitigating factors substantially outweigh the aggravating factors in this case.

Based on this case, this murder, this victim, this defendant, and with all the evidence entered the only fair, and just punishment is death for JAA. Remove the gender of the defendant and she would already be on death row since last year.

She is one of the worst. Most do not do gruesome overkills like she did. Most don't drive 1000 miles to slaughter someone. Most don't continue to twist the 'knife' into the hearts of the victim's loved ones years and years after the slaughter. Most don't create the most outlandish lies against the victim two years after they are arrested for murder.

Oh yeah, indeed she is one of the worst, and bad to the bone.IMO She is a very dangerous person. Even when she was arrested she had already replaced the small caliber.25 with a 9mm pistol and of course more knives.

IMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Good point that we really don't know how much they really knew about this case before this phase started.

I flip-flopped a few times during the 1st phase but as I have witnessed her and her defense continue with the child porn lies, it has come to the point that she is practically begging for the DP herself IMO. If the 27 stab wounds wasn't enough for me during the 1st phase, her constant trashing of Travis about the child porn and unrelated porn viewing sure has done it for me. And the no remorse aspect.

Had she gone with a "normal" defense of just saying she was sorry and that she was just mad at him because he dumped her, I may be thinking differently right now.
Her whole defense and how they approached it swayed me into thinking she really deserves the DP.

But its the jury decision and I would respect it IF they would just come up with one. LOL
I have a hard time respecting a hung jury again. But one of our posters did educate me that getting a hung jury IS kind of the process we have. So I suppose I need to try not to get too upset if they hang.

But darn it is upsetting. LOL

The sex and porn lies make me crazy. I don't believe a word of it. I don't care what age she was unless she was 12. I just am for some reason weighing this hard and sympathizing with this jury.

I don't think She is mentally ill enough to escape death. I wish I could put my finger on it.
One thing that I do find appealing about no DP, is that the Anti Death crowd will not be working on this. No one is going to make her a cause except the 9 people she has now. She will fade as the years go by and then she will cease to exist. She will just rot in that cell and be in the nothingness that is prison. Maybe that is it for me. Maybe because of who she is, I feel like for her rotting in that jail being nothing special is better than DP that sadly comes with notoriety, its own set of people that will come out of the woodwork to support any nut on DR.

Does that make sense? I think that in this case I just feel like LWOP is worse for her in the long run?

 

[east2west]

How long was it after she came out of the killing fog that she left the message?

Approximately 6 hrs after the murder (maybe between Kingman AZ and the Hoover Dam ?)

http://youtu.be/Il2iAxpacaw

 

[SuperTmo]

Honestly this sounds juvenile and the jury should be escorted out in private.

I absolutely agree! Not only is it less stressful for the jurors but I would assume it is safer for them as well. These people don't need someone watching them walk to their cars. The last thing we want is some psycho following a poor juror and threatening them in the parking lot. Or worse.

 

[Ransom]

UM no. He still killed two people.

Only in certain states. Other states do not agree. http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx

So now what? In MY state, NM, means nothing. Just a dead p.g. mom.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Only in certain states. Other states do not agree. http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx

So now what?

HE killed 2 people as far as I am concerned. That is that. California agreed so it would not be an issue.

 

[DebinGA]

Wasn't one of the excused jurors already found to have been either related to, or was a friend of someone related to JA? Makes me wonder if there was more than one.

Iirc that juror was the one excused for asking BK, "Aren't you Nancy Grace?" I think her relative was a friend of JA in Yreka long ago.

 

[Ransom]

HE killed 2 people as far as I am concerned. That is that. California agreed so it would not be an issue.

It is an issue in this US. Not all states agree that killing a p.g. mom is killing two. I know you want to "qualify" per DP case, but I don't. Each to their own. Peace.

 

[MeeBee]

The jury went home. Tomorrow is another day!

Yes I know they have gone home I posted about it already.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

IMO
I can help answer the BBM ones based on what I read.

For 1st part, they were waiting in a spot where the jury would normally walk by when leaving for the day.

For 2nd part, I agree with you. I dont think either side should do that.

For 3rd part, No, the JA clan definitely did it on purpose and stole TA families spot.
But the joke was on them because jury went out the back. LOL

I have never been in a courtroom when I didn't see the victim's family members present when we walked out for a break/lunch or for the day when we were in deliberations. We all were aware they were waiting inside as we deliberated. It was common to see the defendant's family there as well. I only remember one case I served on where no family members showed up for the defendant the entire length of the trial.

I don't think the jury holds it against either family. They know they are waiting as they deliberate. IMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

It is an issue in this US. Not all states agree that killing a p.g. mom is killing two. I know you want to "qualify" per DP case, but I don't. Each to their own. Peace.

http://nchla.org/issues.asp?ID=25

You asked me what I thought I told you. As far as I am concerned a pregnant murder victim always counts as 2 people.

 

[Apparition]

OK, lets say they are a hung jury. If she gets life WITH Parole. That would be 25 yrs -the 8 she already did, then prison over crowding, good behavior, she could be out in 12, all the time making friends in jail, laughing that she got away with it, living life. That would make her around 45 when let go free and clear. This Monster could be out on the streets again. I guess if you want to rage kill your lover, do it in Arizona, the jury will let you go, not like Texas where murders get the justice they deserve quick.

 

[Ransom]

Yes I know they have gone home I posted about it already.

It's all good MeeBee. :blushing:

 

[SuperTmo]

You can be completely honest and then in the end not be able to vote it because you don't think that it is the right decision. I think that it is really a hard take on people who give the time and effort to do the right thing and then for them to be criticized or called liars or frauds. IMO

For me personally, I don't think there is necessarily a liar or fraud on the jury. I feel that the deliberation room really isn't the place for personal feelings on whether the person deserves the DP or not. If it is on the table and the evidence fits the criteria for this case to be punishable by death, its my opinion that that should be the verdict. I guess I feel like this should be black and white; personal opinions about whether they deserve death or not should be irrelevant. If they are proven guilty and the crime has all the components to = a DP case, its the jury's job to simply look at the evidence and follow the instructions given to them.

I don't know. I think its really simple yes or no answers. Is her being abused by her parents an excuse to murder Travis? No. Is her being just 27 and having no priors an excuse to save her life? No. Is her being allegedly abused Travis an excuse to murder him. No. She wasn't acting in self defense and was in no imminent danger. Is her saying she'll donate her hair to locks of love and start a book club in prison an excuse to save her life (first trial)? No. If nothing the DT offered mitigates what she did, I just can't wrap my mind around the juror's personal opinions having any sway. It should simply be based on the law. Even more confusing about why personal opinions matter is that she didn't even stand up and say she was sorry for what she did, tell the jury that she was worth saving.

Edited to say that I also don't understand this mindset that as a juror you'd somehow be responsible for the death of an inmate, or responsible for putting someone to death. No, nope. Not even at all. The only person that is responsible for the death of the killer is the killer. Had she not done what she did, she wouldn't be in the execution chamber. The only thing the juror would be responsible for was upholding the law and doing their civic duty. Beyond that, its all on her. Nobody in that jury room is sending the killer to her death or is responsible in any way for the decision. She made her decision almost 7 years ago.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

Today's discussion on this board is a perfect example of why we may have a hung jury. Everyone has a different opinion of who "deserves" the DP. Some have said they could give the DP, and therefore believe they would quality for a DP jury, but then not be able to give it to Jodi because she's not the worst of the worst. I very much disagree with that but I guess I have to realize that not everything thinks or believes the same things, hence why the last jury was hung and this one may be also.

I can't compare SP to JA because I find them equally evil and both deserving of the DP. He murdered his wife and unborn child which is the worst thing a person could do, but he didn't put Lacey and the innocent unborn baby on trial for his defense or torture her family for years on end with disgusting lies about their loved one that HE murdered. Jodi didn't kill a husband or a child but she did BRUTALLY murder an innocent person and then continue to murder him through her disgusting lies about him and torturing his poor grandmother and family. We have seen over the years how sneaky and conniving she is and what lengths she will go to to get her way. I don't consider it a competition by any means, but I find them both evil and both very deserving of the death penalty. I don't think it has to be for the exact same reasons. I find them both the "worst of the worst". If I had to break it down, I guess I would have to say that I find JA a bit of a scarier person because I feel as if she would do harm to ANYONE to get what she wanted or thought she deserved to have. JMO.

 

[Sulamith]

Who?... TIA

http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/exonerated

 

[SuperTmo]

Aaaaaaand...........She snapped pictures all the while. Boy she sure was a multi-tasker

Dang. I forgot about that. I keep reading little tidbits about this case that I've forgotten about since the first trial and SMH… I can't think of any way she could have made this crime worse.

 

[Turnadot]

OTOH, I'd make a terrible DP juror because "mitigating factors" mean nothing to me unless the person is mentally retarded or truly mentally ill, but they wouldn't qualify for the DP anyway. I'm just saying that a killer's sob story and mommy issues mean nothing to me. At all.