Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #2

[marcyjoy]

The texts and powering down of the phone soon after she texted she would take the bus would, IMO, fall in line with suicide.

But why park your car at (or near) your usual carpool meet up spot?


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It wasn't her normal car to drive, from what I understand. Maybe she left it in a place where it would be found - so not to be an inconvenience. Sounds terrible, I know. Just a thought though. She obviously knew her husband would look there, because as I recall, he reported the car?

 

[Seatowner]

The idea it wasnt her typical car came from a SM post. So let's not focus on that too much.


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[steelman]

“Mountlake Terrace detectives continue to investigate this case as a homicide,” assistant chief Pete Caw said in a press release. “However, other possible causes of death are also being investigated.”
Several search warrants have been executed and a significant amount of evidence has been collected, some of which are pending lab and forensic analysis, police said.
That work will take time, and the department urged patience.
“While the City recognizes the community’s desire for more information related to DeBoer, the integrity of the investigation must be maintained while leads are followed,” police said in the press release.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20160217/NEWS01/160219243


If you just read the highlighted parts, it'll make you feel all better.

 

[gaia227]

If they declare this a suicide I'm going to rip my hair out! It's of course possible but it seems very unlikely. Why would she go to a culvert? It does not seem like a spot that would have special meaning. I guess she could have gone there so her kids wouldn't find her at home and because it's a pretty public spot she thought she'd be found quickly.
It's not the idea she could have committed suicide that's so hard to believe, it's the circumstances.
I thought from the beginning this was a homicide but now I'm not sure. I'm starting to lean towards accidental death. I wonder if she had any history of drug abuse? Maybe she took too many pills/drugs became disoriented and ended up in the culvert where she drowned? It's hard to believe no one would notice a woman walking around disoriented at 7am. Or maybe she has recently started taking a new prescription medication. Meds for mental health especially can be really strong and take time to get used too. If she accidentally took a double dose she could have easily become 'high' and disoriented.
All speculation of course. Just thinking out loud.

 

[Elainera]

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20160217/NEWS01/160219243


If you just read the highlighted parts, it'll make you feel all better.

:blowkiss:

 

[Yvettea]

If there was a suicide I think it's most likely the body washed into the culvert.

 

[Stripehaven]

I feel like I'm at risk of sounding like I'm defending a suicide scenario, but yes, there are many heavily wooded areas. Maybe this area had special meaning to her. Maybe she would go there to think, maybe it was far enough away that she wouldn't be found by anyone she knew, but close enough to be able to walk to?

There are things that haven't added up for me with regards to the stranger and random theory - which is why I originally (and falsely) believed MD was involved. But there were too many "wrong things" that happened. Leaving the badge, driving a different car, not meeting the carpool. Seemed like an awful lot to go "wrong" on a day that something devastating happens. I guess it wouldn't surprise me much if they could explain a plausible suicide theory.

I don't know how to describe the area where she was found but I can't imagine it having special meaning. You could go to Google maps street view and see what I mean. The culvert where she was found is right by a crummy little lot where a crappy house once stood. It was demolished a few years ago and nothing rebuilt. Ironically, there is now a big fancy sign that says Welcome to Mountlake Terrace right at the culvert.

There is a creek that runs into the culvert but it's just a suburban run-off type of creek - nothing pastoral or special about it that I can imagine.

I don't mean to sound like a know-it-all - sorry. I obviously don't really know. But basically she was found at the side of the road in a culvert, at an intersection that is busy at times. I doubt it had meaning for her.

ETA: It's not very pedestrian-friendly around that intersection, either, so I'd like to think someone might having noticed her walking and dodging traffic on the shoulders of the road if she had made her way over there. Which I really really really do not buy.

 

[Treelights]

What I wonder is, was her car locked?
If she was forced from her car, would anyone lock her car?
IMOO.

 

[Ontario Mom]

What I wonder is, was her car locked?
If she was forced from her car, would anyone lock her car?
IMOO.

Good question.

 

[marcyjoy]

I don't know how to describe the area where she was found but I can't imagine it having special meaning. You could go to Google maps street view and see what I mean. The culvert where she was found is right by a crummy little lot where a crappy house once stood. It was demolished a few years ago and nothing rebuilt. Ironically, there is now a big fancy sign that says Welcome to Mountlake Terrace right at the culvert.

There is a creek that runs into the culvert but it's just a suburban run-off type of creek - nothing pastoral or special about it that I can imagine.

I don't mean to sound like a know-it-all - sorry. I obviously don't really know. But basically she was found at the side of the road in a culvert, at an intersection that is busy at times. I doubt it had meaning for her.

You don't sound like a know it all I never intended to focus on it being special to her. If you look at my comment,, I have several maybes (Maybe this area had special meaning to her. Maybe she would go there to think, maybe it was far enough away that she wouldn't be found by anyone she knew, but close enough to be able to walk to?).

I am not sure that there wasn't a specific reason they started searching there. I remember someone questioning in the first thread why they would have even looked there - questioning whether there might have been a tip.

So many things just don't add up in this case. Being a local (as you are) I find it incredibly hard to believe that in MLT someone did someone to this woman in broad daylight at or near a transit center. I also find it so bizarre that there are so many coincidental things (badge at home, text message then powered off, not meeting up with the carpool) that happened to occur on this same day that this random attack occurred.

I also think that the "there are no safety issues" from the last few days is telling.

 

[SassyBenton]

Is it possible that the cause of death is still undetermined because they are waiting for the toxicology report? Perhaps she ingested something to commit suicide? I don’t understand how they could possibly know the cuts on her hands were self-inflicted. Were police saying there was no threat to the public because this was a suicide? Wow I just don’t know what to think of this case, it’s all over the place.

 

[Elainera]

Good question.

VERY good question.

 

[Treelights]

Good question.

Her husband found the car, and LE had to get a search warrant to search the car.
I wonder if he found it unlocked and left it unlocked, or found it unlocked and locked it.
Or found it locked period.

IMOO.

 

[Elainera]

Let's say she took some pills, then started walking, didn't want to die sitting in the car. When she reached the culvert she was so drowsy that she fell down there, and died, maybe even drowned. Maybe she had intended to die elsewhere but the pills worked faster than she had anticipated.

Then the questions are:
Why did nobody notice her?
Where are her missing belongings?

 

[Treelights]

When her husband found the car, I wonder if the car's engine was still warm? You know, if you felt the hood of the car...
I know he found it in the afternoon, but if someone returned it there later, then it's possible, I suppose?

IMOO.

 

[Treelights]

I wonder how much gas was left in the tank of her car?
IMOO.

 

[steelman]

City official: Death of Mountlake Terrace woman investigated as homicide

Updated: Feb 17, 2016 - 3:18 PM

Police say blood stains were found in the car of a Mountlake Terrace woman who had been missing for nearly a week before she was found dead in a culvert.

On Wednesday, a community relations specialist with the City of Mountlake Terrace said detectives are investigating Cheryl DeBoer's death as a homicide.

Other possible causes of death are also being explored.

An autopsy revealed small cuts on two of DeBoer's fingers appear to have been self-inflicted.

On Tuesday night, Mountlake Terrace Police Cmdr. Kevin Pickard confirmed blood stains were found on the passenger side of DeBoer's car.

The stains are being tested by the Washington State Patrol crime lab to determine if the blood is DeBoer's.

Pickard previously said investigators did not believe residents should be concerned for their safety. Yet, In a press release issued Wednesday, Chief of Police Greg Wilson encourages residents to be aware of their surroundings and report unusual behavior by calling 911. The release also discourages use of headphones while walking and advises residents to walk with keys, personal alarms, or panic buttons to attract attention if necessary.

http://www.kiro7.com/news/blood-stains-found-in-mountlake-terrace-womans-car/90792538


The C.Y.A. has begun. The M.E. performing an entire autopsy and only reporting on a couple of small cuts on her fingertips is laughable in itself. The cops know cause of death, manner of death, and approximate time of death. They also know when she would have died based on the contents of her stomach and when she last ate. They also know if there are cuts, scrapes, or abrasions present that aren't being reported. I'm at a loss to explain the lame M.E. report that was issued, which is barely a report at all, but it appears the damage control department has decided to assure everyone that this is a homicide investigation....until further notice.

 

[Yvettea]

What do we know about her personable belongings? Pickard said they didn't have her cell phone. One news article said her purse was not in the car. Is there anything else?

 

[pinklilies]

You don't sound like a know it all I never intended to focus on it being special to her. If you look at my comment,, I have several maybes (Maybe this area had special meaning to her. Maybe she would go there to think, maybe it was far enough away that she wouldn't be found by anyone she knew, but close enough to be able to walk to?).

I am not sure that there wasn't a specific reason they started searching there. I remember someone questioning in the first thread why they would have even looked there - questioning whether there might have been a tip.

So many things just don't add up in this case. Being a local (as you are) I find it incredibly hard to believe that in MLT someone did someone to this woman in broad daylight at or near a transit center. I also find it so bizarre that there are so many coincidental things (badge at home, text message then powered off, not meeting up with the carpool) that happened to occur on this same day that this random attack occurred.

I also think that the "there are no safety issues" from the last few days is telling.

"I am not sure that there wasn't a specific reason they started searching there"
(Sorry, I can't bold)

Maybe she was seen walking that way. Just because Pickard hasn't told of any sightings doesn't necessarily mean there hasn't been any. In fact, I think she must have been seen somewhere at some stage that day, either by a camera or a person.

 

[Treelights]

Could she have had septic shock or sepsis from the small cuts on her fingers while being in that culvert? Bacteria from that water?

http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/in...ction-to-bacteremia,-sepsis,-and-septic-shock

IMOO.