Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #3

[Hdk]

It's too wide for something to get stuck. I mean I guess if she was wrapped in something maybe/ but it is a pretty wide culvert.


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[kammiemc]

I've seen some pictures online of culverts that look like tunnels. That's what I'm envisioning so I'm wondering if it would be difficult to put a body inside the culvert.

It seemed, to me, that it would be very easy to get down to the ditch and the tunnel/culvert it leads into. The ditch itself is deep but the slope getting to the ditch from the parking space isn't prohibitively steep. At least looking it, it seemed like it all made perfect sense to hide a body there.


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[Kale]

Rsbm

This scenario sounds so likely. She is hurried, returning to get her badge. Not paying full attention. Runs right into someone in the middle of something.

I can see this happening.

I could see this happening... I parked in a line of cars on a side street near Northgate late one night a few months ago to wait for my husband. I saw a guy walking down the line of cars trying doors. He got one open right in front of me and then noticed me watching. He came running toward me. I gunned it and got out of there -_-;;

I'll bet a lot of car thieves are poor druggies looking for anything they can hawk. So they're probably super unpredictable and overreact pretty badly, on a hair trigger no less.

JMO

 

[Hdk]

When you come down the hill in the daytime it's definitely an obvious place to stick something you're trying to ditch. Going over the culvert is less likely I would think unless they really know the area and had it in mind prior to seeing it. But I could def see someone coming down the hill and having the a-ha moment. But I stand by the opinion that there is zero chance she was dumped during the daytime or evening hours. Middle of the night would be make the most sense since traffic is lighter


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[cs2012]

I might go back up and look at the gravel areas. There are cameras in the park and ride as you exit the trail. I wish we knew for certain if she actually walked into the lot enough to actually see her. I guess the possibility there would be that she got to that point and then realized her badge was missing so turned around. It's possible she did interrupt someone breaking into her car or another car- and instead of them being ran off they hurt her in the heat of the moment. It does feel like a second person/second car would be involved though since it seems unlikely that they would drive her in her own car and then return it. Seems more like they would have ditched her car near the dump site.

The culvert is large. It's not a small opening. When you come down the hill you can see the water running in through it. It's wide and taller than some may be imagining.


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why do you think a second person would be involved? couldnt they have picked her up on their own and driven her in their own car?

 

[cs2012]

I could see this happening... I parked in a line of cars on a side street near Northgate late one night a few months ago to wait for my husband. I saw a guy walking down the line of cars trying doors. He got one open right in front of me and then noticed me watching. He came running toward me. I gunned it and got out of there -_-;;

I'll bet a lot of car thieves are poor druggies looking for anything they can hawk. So they're probably super unpredictable and overreact pretty badly, on a hair trigger no less.

JMO

and speaking on my own experience with some active drug users in the area, they are very paranoid and impulsive.

 

[cs2012]

If she had other visible injuries or evidence of a heart attack, stroke, etc. I believe it would have been noted by the ME instead of simply the two self-inflicted cuts to the fingers, don't you think?

im sure she had more scratches than just those two i mean she was in a culvert with debris rushing over her for god knows how long. just because the me releases those details about the two fingers doesnt mean thats all the injuries she saw.

 

[Kale]

Lol idk, it looked small to me, but I think I was having scary illogical thoughts of what being inside it would be like =P

There are a lot of flowers over there and I've been thinking of bringing some... I guess doing so would also be a good opportunity to get a better look. I feel guilty saying that though ^_^;;

 

[Hdk]

why do you think a second person would be involved? couldnt they have picked her up on their own and driven her in their own car?

I don't have any real reason to think a second person is involved, but it was just something I thought about as I have heard about car prowler rings having someone in a getaway car and another to do the smash and grab.

So I thought in that case it might make sense that someone else was with the perp.

I have dumped my purse numerous times and I seem to always be leaning into my passenger side of the car looking for things that dumped out. I can imagine her leaning in and being hurt from behind or hurt enough to be confused but still standing and led to another car which would explain nobody hearing or seeing anything because that could possibly look normal.

I watch and read too many crime scenarios but I still think it's possible.


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[Hdk]

Lol idk, it looked small to me, but I think I was having scary illogical thoughts of what being inside it would be like =P

There are a lot of flowers over there and I've been thinking of bringing some... I guess doing so would also be a good opportunity to get a better look. I feel guilty saying that though ^_^;;

I hear you. I took my friend who had not heard about Cheryl. I felt weird driving by her house and walking the trail and then seeing the sad place she ended up. In my heart I kept thinking that maybe one of us would figure something out or see something in a picture that would make sense of things.

After retracing her steps that day this person is from the area. It was almost like no thought went into this at all because of how close the culvert was to the transit center and her house.

I want justice for her but even more so I wish it didn't happen.


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[kammiemc]

I hear you. I took my friend who had not heard about Cheryl. I felt weird driving by her house and walking the trail and then seeing the sad place she ended up. In my heart I kept thinking that maybe one of us would figure something out or see something in a picture that would make sense of things.

After retracing her steps that day this person is from the area. It was almost like no thought went into this at all because of how close the culvert was to the transit center and her house.

I want justice for her but even more so I wish it didn't happen.


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That was my big takeaway too--the realization that you could drive the whole triangle of locations in like 5 mins. So close. (I am sure you know this, but I wasn't 100% sure when I went there: her body was found on the other side of Cedar from the flowers where the "welcome to MLT" sign is.)


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[Stripehaven]

Yeah, I agree, the culvert is a very restrictive size/shape for something large to wash or roll into it and get stuck. On the other hand I totally believe something would be stuck in there after being placed directly inside.

I agree.

 

[PLT]

When you come down the hill in the daytime it's definitely an obvious place to stick something you're trying to ditch. Going over the culvert is less likely I would think unless they really know the area and had it in mind prior to seeing it. But I could def see someone coming down the hill and having the a-ha moment. But I stand by the opinion that there is zero chance she was dumped during the daytime or evening hours. Middle of the night would be make the most sense since traffic is lighter


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Wonder if any locals ever recall that culvert being used as shelter or cover during dry weather by anyone or even someone walking around that stretch . It seems there had to be some familiarity with that particular spot .

 

[eucalyptuz]

Mountlake Terrace police concede they’re holding back on releasing “sensitive information” about the death of Cheryl DeBoer until toxicology and forensic analysis of her computer and cellphone records are complete.

“We want to do what we can to hold sensitive information back until we see the phone, computer and lab results,” he said.

Police have said that it appears DeBoer’s phone was turned off shortly after her friend received the text.

Pickard said police are not trying to be cagey by releasing only small pieces of information. He said he suspects that once the investigation is concluded, people will understand why some information was withheld.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...n-continues-as-police-await-forensic-results/

Same info that was posted on other MSM today but with seemingly more emphasis of the "sensitive" nature of not-yet-released information.

-as an aside, does anybody know if it's possible for the police to know whether a phone has been turned off as apposed to damaged, submerged or its battery removed?

 

[MU42M]

Their focus on phone and computer records makes me think they are actually investigating it as a suicide but just keeping that quiet for the family?


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[DanceCard]

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...n-continues-as-police-await-forensic-results/

Same info that was posted on other MSM today but with seemingly more emphasis of the "sensitive" nature of not-yet-released information.

-as an aside, does anybody know if it's possible for the police to know whether a phone has been turned off as apposed to damaged, submerged or its battery removed?

Thank you so much for this update.


I'm not able to quote from the article, but I find this final comment very telling :
“We want closure, too,” he said. “We want it for the community and most of all for the family.”

 

[2Hope4]

Personally, I think there's physical, visible evidence of how Cheryl died. I believe police are holding that close to the vest. If say she was shot, someone in the area mentions her being shot, well, only the killer would know!

Someone is being watched, IMO. LE is building their case, and will make an arrest. IMO. I don't believe LE or family think it's a suicide. While some cases here have shocked me when it was suicide, I don't think suicide in this case at all.

Prayers for those that loved Cheryl! For those hurting from her death. May LE be able to gather the evidence, apprehend, and make a conviction stick!

JMO!

 

[IMissCrossfit]

Their focus on phone and computer records makes me think they are actually investigating it as a suicide but just keeping that quiet for the family?


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Analysis of phone and computer records is not evidence that they are investigating the case as a suicide. Analysis of these types of possible sources of evidence are not a 'focus' but rather routine and *can* be quite valuable sources of pieces of evidence. This type of evidence is /should be analyzed when available whether suspected suicide or homicide.

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[idfinch]

The quote from Pickard was quite reassuring, at least in my case.

After the latest media update & social media blitz of the crimestoppers posting, I was convinced they had next to nothing. Now I feel they DO have much more than they're showing & are just waiting to tie it together.

The consistent safety warnings are pretty standard since we know there is evil among us everywhere... But what Cheryl suffered makes that very real and very scary here. My hubs & I were talking last night about what those hours, that first night, those 6 days, that Valentine's Day must have been like for her husband. Her son. The anguish. I can't even imagine.

Praying for swift justice for Cheryl & her loved ones.

 

[PLT]

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...n-continues-as-police-await-forensic-results/

Same info that was posted on other MSM today but with seemingly more emphasis of the "sensitive" nature of not-yet-released information.

By the tone of this article and lack of movement, I get the sense LE knows what happened and just needs confirmation. This is the first time that I felt suicide could be an option and I am basing that on silence for the past week. Even if test results were not in ....if LE suspected murder - wouldn't more communication be going out like video of the car that morning? I've seen cases where LE made announcements that the victim 'appeared" to have been assaulted or shot but they were waiting on confirmation. Meanwhile they cautioned the public and searched for the perp aggressively. In this case it seems they have information but can't release it until those tests come back but I sense the public is not at risk.

I am not local so I cannot say if LE is keeping the pressure on locally for a suspect, or have pulled back. I just cannot imagine waiting on tests results if there is a strong belief or visual evidence that this was homicide.