WA - Civil rights activist Rachel Dolezal pretending to be black, parents say #1

[Snoods]

What an odd and fascinating story. That deer in the headlights look when she is asked if she is an African American! Just now watching the video and to me it's odd when she says "As the mother of two black sons..." and "my son, a black male..." Why would she feel the need to constantly refer to her children as black? If she's black of course her children would be black.

Is anyone familiar with the story of Tania Head, the 9/11 faker? She barely escaping the south tower before it collapsed. Her husband was killed in the north tower. She was led to safety by the famous "man in the red bandanna" who lost his own life. She even visited the deceased man's family and tearfully told them how he saved her life. She woke up from a coma six days later in a burn unit and endured an extensive stay in the hospital recovering from her injuries. Except for none of that ever happened. She wasn't even in the country at the time of 9/11. She became one of the most visible faces of 9/11, meeting with Mayor Guiliani, even starting and leading The World Trade Center Survivors' Network. Obviously I realize Tania Head is an extreme example, but the parallels of pretending to be something you're not for attention and becoming such a visible talking head for a movement based on a lie are the same, IMO. This documentary about Tania is utterly fascinating, I highly recommend watching it.


[video=youtube;NpNReEbDNG8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpNReEbDNG8[/video]

 

[al66pine]

Wait, what? If you mean this, Rachel Dolezal said it, not I....

Oh! My apologies, no, no, no, no, not you. Let me try this again.

Feb 26, 2014 link quoted Ms Dolezal, saying: "I have always been a creator, so art was a natural fit for me as a form of expression,..." bbm sbm
Why does this ^ ring in my ears, w Jody Arias' delivery?
http://easterneronline.com/30681/eag....ohYmIhCX.dpuf


I cannot tell you how sorry I am that you or anyone thought I was comparing you to Jody Arias. No, never in a million yrs.

 

[Donjeta]

Oh! My apologies, no, no, no, no, not you. Let me try this again.

Feb 26, 2014 link quoted Ms Dolezal, saying: "I have always been a creator, so art was a natural fit for me as a form of expression,..." bbm sbm
Why does this ^ ring in my ears, w Jody Arias' delivery?
http://easterneronline.com/30681/eag....ohYmIhCX.dpuf


I cannot tell you how sorry I am that you or anyone thought I was comparing you to Jody Arias. No, never in a million yrs.

No i didn't think you were comparing me to Jodi Arias, it's just that you said sorry about all the trauma that me and my siblings went through, and it was a Rachel Dolezal quote. I had good parents and I don't even have any siblings.

 

[Tugela]

I guess you're right. She's going for it. It can;t have escaped her that people keep bringing this up and trying to make a comparison. RD is good at capitalizing on things.



She is very bright but IMO, very very disturbed. She's a fraud and a con and personality disordered. She wanted attention but not just as a victim, but as the biggest and toughest victim of them all.

I mean, do you know she had people marching on the streets because of the hate crimes she seems to have made up?

http://www.pressherald.com/2015/06/12/race-controversy-surrounds-head-of-the-spokane-naacp/

http://www.krem.com/story/news/loca...sm-after-naacp-president-threatened/24665839/

It's sick. How do you betray a community that way? Your parents? Your own kid? That's what really makes me angry - the kid stuff.

I think she is just one of those people who feed off the energy derived from the victim culture. And being a black woman makes you one of the biggest victims of all, so that was a natural role for her to gravitate to. So she goes to a traditionally black college, marries a black guy, has black kids, and so that sort of makes her black too, in her mind.

If you look at all the other things she has been claiming, it is all about being a victim of something or the other. Having to hunt for food and living in a tent as a kid, being abused, being "targeted" by unknown persons or groups doing hate crimes, etc etc etc, none of which can be verified or happened under dubious circumstances. And it is all Mom and Dad's fault because if they had just kept quite none of this would have happened. There is a common theme going on in her life story. It is a narrative that she is writing, rather than stuff that is actually happening to her.

It is all over now, she has a big old spotlight on her and it is all crashing down. If I were someone who cared about her, I would be worried about suicide happening right now IMO.

 

[Snoods]

Fascinating article. She made quite a few claims in there, including that her parents would punish her and her siblings "by skin complexion." Her skin complexion as a child clearly was very white and freckled.
She claimed she was hunting her food with "bow and arrow" as a child.
She accused her mentor of slipping her a date rape drug.
She claimed she was a victim of multiple hate crimes.

Not to mention the trauma of going to the movies.

 

[gitana1]

Looking at this pic of her with these people marching, they seem angry and she seems smug, idk some communities are so eager to right a wrong that critical thinking never comes into play. I can't imagine how those people feel tonight knowing they were told lies. There were all types of people in the pic that seemed to be chanting or singing. Jmo

ciao

Yes, a huge diverse crowd. Seems like a nice community.

She should have a chance to bow out and let the chips fall where they may, but a protest to humiliate her at the time that she announces her resignation/leave is a bit barbaric, eh. Sheesh. Give the woman, and the courts, a chance. If the result is clearly unfair, then by all means protest ... but what statement is behind protesting an event that hasn't yet happened?

... coercion?

Well the event has happened and continues to occur. She is Spokane president of the NAACP yet she has lied about being black and the experiences and history being black in America entails.

What an odd and fascinating story. That deer in the headlights look when she is asked if she is an African American! Just now watching the video and to me it's odd when she says "As the mother of two black sons..." and "my son, a black male..." Why would she feel the need to constantly refer to her children as black? If she's black of course her children would be black.

Is anyone familiar with the story of Tania Head, the 9/11 faker? She barely escaping the south tower before it collapsed. Her husband was killed in the north tower. She was led to safety by the famous "man in the red bandanna" who lost his own life. She even visited the deceased man's family and tearfully told them how he saved her life. She spent six days in a burn unit recovering from her injuries. Except for that none of that happened. She wasn't even in the country at the time of 9/11. She became one of the most visible faces of 9/11, meeting with Mayor Guiliani, even starting and leading The World Trade Center Survivors' Network. Obviously I realize Tania Head is an extreme example, but the parallels of pretending to be something you're not for attention and becoming such a visible talking head for a movement based on a lie are the same, IMO. This documentary about Tania is utterly fascinating, I highly recommend watching it.


[video=youtube;NpNReEbDNG8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpNReEbDNG8[/video]

Wow! I've never heard of her! Oh yeah. Apt comparison to me. Also like those people who pretend to be kids and go to high school wen they're actually in their 30's or whatever.

Its all creepy to me.

I think she is just one of those people who feed off the energy derived from the victim culture. And being a black woman makes you one of the biggest victims of all, so that was a natural role for her to gravitate to. So she goes to a traditionally black college, marries a black guy, has black kids, and so that sort of makes her black too, in her mind.

If you look at all the other things she has been claiming, it is all about being a victim of something or the other. Having to hunt for food and living in a tent as a kid, being abused, being "targeted" by unknown persons or groups doing hate crimes, etc etc etc, none of which can be verified or happened under dubious circumstances. And it is all Mom and Dad's fault because if they had just kept quite none of this would have happened. There is a common theme going on in her life story. It is a narrative that she is writing, rather than stuff that is actually happening to her.

It is all over now, she has a big old spotlight on her and it is all crashing down. If I were someone who cared about her, I would be worried about suicide happening right now IMO.

Yeah I don't believe in the concept of "victim culture". There is not an entire culture based on wanting to be treated as a victim. That's racist.

 

[Donjeta]

Melissa Luck, Executive Producer at KXLY, told BuzzFeed News Friday that her station was among those who saw race questions arise in comments sections over the years. But the people raising the questions also didn’t come off as particularly credible.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympl...ed-as-a?bftwnews&utm_term=4ldqpgc#.apJvGgxvjg

BuzzFeed News also spoke with members of the Spokane community who mentioned hearing rumors about Dolezal’s race around town.
The tipping point that lifted the story out of the comment sections and into the news came earlier this week, when a series of public records requests about Dolezal’s harassment cases finally began to bear fruit.
Luck said her station began filing records requests earlier this year, after Dolezal’s latest claims about a harassment case involving hate mail. The station was attempting to obtain police reports, and on Wednesday Luck learned that the Spokane Police Department was going to release the documents.
While all of this was going on, a source also reached out to KXLY with photos of Dolezal’s family and contact information.
On Wednesday, with the police reports out and the information from the source, KXLY sent reporter Jeff Humphrey to interview Dolezal. That night, the station aired a short segment from the interview.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/tamerragrif...student-she-did-not-look-hispanic#.yj0e8QKexQ

This would be kind of off even if it was from a racially genuine teacher's mouth but totally shameless from a pretender:

Rachel Dolezal Once Told A Student She Did Not Look Hispanic Enough For A Class Activity

In the first round of Fishbowl, the student said Dolezal sought out a volunteer of Hispanic background to be questioned.
The student, who told BuzzFeed News that she identifies as Hispanic, grew up in a Spanish-speaking country, speaks the language fluently, and, while she has light skin, believes she has a “pretty solid experience of what it’s like to be Spanish.” She raised her hand to participate.
“I think we should ask another student,” the student recalled Dolezal saying in class.
The student asked why she could not participate.
“Rachel said I didn’t look Hispanic,” she said, and that her instructor “doubted that I could share experiences of racial or ethnic discrimination because I didn’t have the appearance of looking Hispanic.”

Ooh the irony.

“She told me things that nobody would make up,” said the third-year journalism major, recalling the instance when Dolezal told her that her family hunted with bows and arrows when she grew up.

 

[jjenny]

She should have a chance to bow out and let the chips fall where they may, but a protest to humiliate her at the time that she announces her resignation/leave is a bit barbaric, eh. Sheesh. Give the woman, and the courts, a chance. If the result is clearly unfair, then by all means protest ... but what statement is behind protesting an event that hasn't yet happened?

... coercion?

Who says she is even planning to resign? As for courts deciding, what do you mean by that? She isn't facing any criminal charges.

 

[newone]

I think she is going to go for being "transracial." She thinks she is black therefore she is.

"She also tweeted a picture of herself next to a picture of Caitlyn Jenner, with the caption “who are you to decide what is right for me?”"

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/questions-raised-about-spokane-naacp-head/nmbmH/

Glad to hear that made MSM -- I was thinking it MOO

I think therefore I am....seems to be a bit viral....((not trying to be flippant)) but it does put most of us mortals in an awkward spot

 

[Donjeta]

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tim-Wise/140254320968

Hah, now for an extra special kicker...turns out I've just been informed by a friend and ally at Eastern Washington U. (who was involved in bringing me to campus to speak there last semester), that it was Rachel Dolezal who had objected to me coming, because I, as a white man, can't speak to race issues involving black people. First, they got a dictionary at EWU where she can look up "irony?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/nicolasmedi...said-about-passing-two-months-ago#.anWDE4GDk4

BuzzFeed News read through more than a 100 articles by or about Dolezal. Following are some excerpts:

People of mixed race in that era often tried to pass as white “for purposes of survival,” Dolezal said. “Now, that might be seen as a little bit of a traitorous act. Given the time, it’s forgivable, looking back in hindsight.”

On the first day in second grade, my son came home with a despondent face. Never mind the fact that he was stung by a bee inside his ear that day; what was really on his mind was that he was the only black kid in his class again. Perplexed, I said that two of the other kids in his class looked black. “They don’t know they’re black,” he said matter-of-factly. At 12, he still distinguishes himself as the only black kid at his school actually being raised by a black parent.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/adamserwer/rachel-dolezal-narrative-of-oppression#.piwJx1zJb1

 

[Hope4More]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympl...ed-as-a?bftwnews&utm_term=4ldqpgc#.apJvGgxvjg

http://www.buzzfeed.com/tamerragrif...student-she-did-not-look-hispanic#.yj0e8QKexQ

This would be kind of off even if it was from a racially genuine teacher's mouth but totally shameless from a pretender:

Rachel Dolezal Once Told A Student She Did Not Look Hispanic Enough For A Class Activity



Ooh the irony.

Buzzfeed article explains that her many and extravagant claims of being victimized are what drew attention to her other stories.

BUT. Who was the source that "reached out" and sent photos and contact information of her family to the media? Folks along the way seem to have been suspicious about her racial claims, not certain. Photos are proof.

Rachel is 100% responsible for her own mess, but I still believe something is off about the family as a whole. They are estranged, have been for years, and rather bitterly. Which is why I don't accept brother Ezra's accusations at face value, nor her parents' statements which often, IMO, are jabs at Rachel.

A supportive or even neutral family would not have commented to the media about her. These folks haven't piped down yet.

 

[EllieBee]

Sorry, otto, but your source is hopelessly out of date. DNA has shown our racial constructs to be anything but biologically based.

http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674417311

Thank you.

 

[EllieBee]

I don't think Caitlin is going to like being dragged into this. As Bruce, she never denied being born a male, she never rebuked her parents and family, she never tried to pretend her sibling was her child, she never made up false hate crimes, etc etc.

Rachel is glomming on to the admiration and respect that the community feels for Bruce/Caitlyn, and trying to make some of it rub off on her. But it is a totally different situation altogether.

I have seen children, as young as 3 and 4, claiming they are really boys, not girls, etc. There are many examples of that biological 'mix-up.' I have never seen the same phenomenon with racial identity. :no:

There is no basis for "biological race". Humans are, biologically speaking, one race.

 

[popsicle]

[h=1]Sibling: Dolezal's biracial look 'blackface'[/h]

Ezra Dolezal says he didn't know how to respond the day his adopted sister took him aside and asked him "not to blow her cover" about having a black father.

"She told me not to blow her cover about the fact that she had this secret life or alternate identity," Ezra Dolezal said Saturday. "She told not to tell anybody about Montana or her family over there. She said she was starting a new life ... and this one person over there was actually going to be her black father."

http://www.wesh.com/national-news/s...um=twitter&utm_source=trueAnthem:+New+Content

 

[Donjeta]

Buzzfeed article explains that her many and extravagant claims of being victimized are what drew attention to her other stories.

BUT. Who was the source that "reached out" and sent photos and contact information of her family to the media? Folks along the way seem to have been suspicious about her racial claims, not certain. Photos are proof.

Rachel is 100% responsible for her own mess, but I still believe something is off about the family as a whole. They are estranged, have been for years, and rather bitterly. Which is why I don't accept brother Ezra's accusations at face value, nor her parents' statements which often, IMO, are jabs at Rachel.

A supportive or even neutral family would not have commented to the media about her. These folks haven't piped down yet.

JMO if there is a grain of truth in Rachel's accusations somewhere I think it's probably the physical and sexual abuse part because it would go towards explaining the estrangement and the extreme denial of her birth family, and unless I missed it it was something that the family did not deny although they denied the teepee and the bow hunting and the residency history etc. If the older brother is going to face trial there might be some independent evidence that doesn't hang upon Rachel's testimony. And there could easily be very divided loyalties within the family if one sibling accuses another. The brother Ezra said there was no physical abuse but admitted that the family used corporal punishment, and I think corporal punishment crosses the line into child abuse very easily, so that claim could be close to the truth although she might be embellishing the slavery aspect of it for extra effect.

If the brother is a sexual abuser I hope she didn't hurt the chances of getting him behind bars by destroying her credibility making up stories of victimhood.

 

[EllieBee]

Legal Definition of Race
Many governments provide legal definitions of race for purposes of census-taking and calculating budgets for governmental programs such as those that promote equal opportunity employment. For instance, in the U.S. Federal Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and the U.S. Census Bureau currently uses race and ethnicity as self-identification data items. In this system, the residents choose the race or races with which they most closely identify and indicate what their ethnic origin is (e.g., Latino).



Source: Boundless. “Legal Definition of Race.” Boundless Sociology. Boundless, 10 Jun. 2015. Retrieved 14 Jun. 2015 from https://www.boundless.com/sociology...10/race-79/legal-definition-of-race-471-8183/

OMB defines the concept of race as outlined for the U.S. census as not "scientific or anthropological" and takes into account "social and cultural characteristics as well as ancestry", using "appropriate scientific methodologies" that are not "primarily biological or genetic in reference.

Source: Boundless. “Legal Definition of Race.” Boundless Sociology. Boundless, 10 Jun. 2015. Retrieved 14 Jun. 2015 from https://www.boundless.com/sociology...10/race-79/legal-definition-of-race-471-8183/

 

[EllieBee]

To add to the "black" celebs that don't "look" black:



Pete with his natural, unironed hair:



I think this discussion about appearance and "race" is fascinating. There are several threads about the subject over at LipstickAlley and I fell down the rabbit hole reading.....

 

[popsicle]

Dolezal's time at predominantly black Howard University may have been a major turning point in her transformation, her adopted brother said.

"When she applied they thought she was a black student," he said. "When she came there, they saw she was white and she wasn't treated that well, especially by people that worked there. She probably started developing this kind of dislike for being white and dislike for white people. She used to tell Izaiah ... that all white people are racists. She might have developed some self-hatred."

http://www.wesh.com/national-news/s...um=twitter&utm_source=trueAnthem:+New+Content

 

[EllieBee]

From the above ^^ WESH article:

One organization that appears to be standing behind her is the NAACP. The group, historically one of the most prominent in supporting causes important to the African-American community, said that Dolezal is "enduring a legal issue with her family" and that "we respect her privacy in this matter."

"One's racial identity is not a qualifying criteria or disqualifying standard for NAACP leadership," the group said. "The NAACP Alaska-Oregon-Washington State Conference stands behind Ms. Dolezal's advocacy record."

Huh. I would think they'd be kind of upset about this.

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rachel-dolezal-accused-lying-son-article-1.2257590

Dolezal’s marriage ended with her ex-husband accusing her of lying and poisoning his relationship with their son Franklin, according to divorce documents obtained by the Daily News.

In a 2005 note to Dolezal, estranged spouse Kevin Moore said she made some strange comments to the three-year-old boy.

“He mentioned that you stated something ... about ‘handcuffs’ and something about ‘me never seeing him again,’” Moore wrote. “He also stated that you said I have ‘monsters’ in my house.”